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AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trump’s handling his job

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AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trump’s handling his job



By STEVE PEOPLES and HANNAH FINGERHUT38 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — About 6 in 10 Americans disapprove of President Donald Trump’s overall job performance, according to a new poll released Thursday by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which finds some support for the president’s handling of the U.S. economy but gives him weak marks on other major issues.

Just 36% of Americans approve of the way Trump is handling his job as president; 62% disapprove.

The numbers may be ugly for a first-term president facing reelection in 14 months, but they are remarkably consistent. Trump’s approval rating has never dipped below 32% or risen above 42% in AP-NORC polls since he took office.

No other president has stayed within so narrow a band. Since Gallup began measuring presidential approval, Trump is the only president whose rating has never been above 50%.
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Dang -- 62% disapprove? Wow. Hopefully, this is a window into how the election next year will end up.

My view is that Trump is melting down and it is becoming clear to all to see. Some voters don't care but only care about the economy, which is slowing.

If those numbers remain, it really doesn't matter what his loyal base thinks.
 
You can be certain that Donald Trump will never become president. President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, every one of the Hollywood limousine crowd, every commentator on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC and every poll proves this conclusively.

So stop worrying about nothing. Donald Trump will never become president and has NO chance of beating President Hilary Clinton in her re-election.
 
joko104 said:
You can be certain that Donald Trump will never become president. President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, every one of the Hollywood limousine crowd, every commentator on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC and every poll proves this conclusively.

So stop worrying about nothing. Donald Trump will never become president and has NO chance of beating President Hilary Clinton in her re-election.
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Just dismiss inconvenient information. I just hope the Russians don't fudge the election next year like they did in 2016, which had Trump win an electoral college victory by getting a measly 80,000 votes more, spread over four key states -- basically, a statistical fluke. We can be assured that the Dems aren't going to ignore MI, WI, PA and Iowa.

But do keep thinking that lightning is going to strike the same place twice.

Now that America got to see up close who they elected, he's less popular than ever.
 
MTAtech said:
Just dismiss inconvenient information. I just hope the Russians don't fudge the election next year like they did in 2016, which had Trump win an electoral college victory by getting a measly 80,000 votes more, spread over four key states -- basically, a statistical fluke. We can be assured that the Dems aren't going to ignore MI, WI, PA and Iowa.

But do keep thinking that lightning is going to strike the same place twice.

Now that America got to see up close who they elected, he's less popular than ever.
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As long as the Democratic base doesn't show the same level of fickleness that they showed in 2016, they can beat Trump next year.
 
MTAtech said:
AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trump’s handling his job




Dang -- 62% disapprove? Wow. Hopefully, this is a window into how the election next year will end up.

My view is that Trump is melting down and it is becoming clear to all to see. Some voters don't care but only care about the economy, which is slowing.

If those numbers remain, it really doesn't matter what his loyal base thinks.
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Don't get excited...this is just another bogus poll. Here is my post from that other thread on this topic:

Here we go again...

This Associated Press–NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll sampling by party...

Dem - 44%
Rep - 35%
Ind - 21%

http://www.apnorc.org/PDFs/AP-NORC ...ugust Omnibus 2019 - topline_firstrelease.pdf

Party affiliation in the US

Dem - 27%
Rep - 29%
Ind - 38%

Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends

So...that poll oversampled Dems by 17%, Reps by 6% and undersampled Inds by a 17%.

Add this bogus poll to that bogus Fox poll that was even worse...and that's why you NEVER trust an average of polls like you get from 538 or RCP. An average of bogus polls equals a bogus average. GIGO

POLL REJECTED!!​

Sorry to burst your bubble...again.
 
Mycroft said:
Don't get excited...this is just another bogus poll. Here is my post from that other thread on this topic:
Here we go again...

This Associated Press–NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll sampling by party...

Dem - 44%
Rep - 35%
Ind - 21%

http://www.apnorc.org/PDFs/AP-NORC ...ugust Omnibus 2019 - topline_firstrelease.pdf

Party affiliation in the US

Dem - 27%
Rep - 29%
Ind - 38%

Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends

So...that poll oversampled Dems by 17%, Reps by 6% and undersampled Inds by a 17%.

Add this bogus poll to that bogus Fox poll that was even worse...and that's why you NEVER trust an average of polls like you get from 538 or RCP. An average of bogus polls equals a bogus average. GIGO

POLL REJECTED!!​

Sorry to burst your bubble...again.
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Answer to google inquiry "percent of voters registered as Democrats":

Gallup. As of October 2017, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrat, 24% identified as Republican, and 42% as Independent.
Political party strength in U.S. states - Wikipedia

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia › wiki › Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states
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'Twixt now and November of next year [Yes, children, that's a long way away,] there are any number of things that can happen. Some of them will happen. Of these, some will affect how some people will vote. We have no way of knowing now any of this to significantly greater precision than stated.

It's fun to speculate, but that's all it is right now. Polls are nothing more than imperfect snapshots. 'Through a glass, darkly.'
 
joko104 said:
You can be certain that Donald Trump will never become president. President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, every one of the Hollywood limousine crowd, every commentator on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC and every poll proves this conclusively.
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Don't be ridiculous.

The USA is a very racist country. Obviously the guy who gained his street cred with his base by leading the racist Birther Movement was always going to have a good chance of being elected.

Jesus, I watched this stuff on the evening news. You really think these parents didn't try to teach their kids to be racists just like them?

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His only real error is his tax cut and now he says we're not in a recession, but he'll cut taxes a little more anyway.
 
JustHanging said:
Don't be ridiculous.

The USA is a very racist country. Obviously the guy who gained his street cred with his base by leading the racist Birther Movement was always going to have a good chance of being elected.
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^ It is the duty of every Democrat to hate the United States and all white people.

You're white, aren't you?
 
Mycroft said:
Don't get excited...this is just another bogus poll. Here is my post from that other thread on this topic:

Here we go again...

This Associated Press–NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll sampling by party...

Dem - 44%
Rep - 35%
Ind - 21%

http://www.apnorc.org/PDFs/AP-NORC ...ugust Omnibus 2019 - topline_firstrelease.pdf

Party affiliation in the US

Dem - 27%
Rep - 29%
Ind - 38%

Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends

So...that poll oversampled Dems by 17%, Reps by 6% and undersampled Inds by a 17%.

Add this bogus poll to that bogus Fox poll that was even worse...and that's why you NEVER trust an average of polls like you get from 538 or RCP. An average of bogus polls equals a bogus average. GIGO

POLL REJECTED!!​

Sorry to burst your bubble...again.
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Aside from the other methodological errors in your post, why do you consider Gallup's numbers to be sacrosanct and every other pollster's to be completely bogus? Neither Gallup nor AP-NORC is weighting for Party ID in this case. They're each asking a national sample of adults weighted for other factors (age/race/etc.) to self-identify their party identification.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Answer to google inquiry "percent of voters registered as Democrats":
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??? October 2017 ???

Dude...I gave you a link to Gallup's CURRENT numbers.

Advice: Stay away from Google.
 
Anagram said:
Aside from the other methodological errors in your post, why do you consider Gallup's numbers to be sacrosanct and every other pollster's to be completely bogus? Neither Gallup nor AP-NORC is weighting for Party ID in this case. They're each asking a national sample of adults weighted for other factors (age/race/etc.) to self-identify their party identification.
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What Is a Sampling Error?

A sampling error is a statistical error that occurs when an analyst does not select a sample that represents the entire population of data and the results found in the sample do not represent the results that would be obtained from the entire population.

Sampling Error Definition
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This is what has happened in this AP poll. Their sample data by party affiliation does not represent the party affiliation data for the entire population and the result of their poll does not represent the results that would be obtained from the entire population. It's a bogus poll.

Regarding Gallup's party affiliation numbers...

They are a respected organization that has been providing party affiliation numbers for more than 15 years. If you have another source, please present it and I'll consider them.
 
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Exquisitor said:
His only real error is his tax cut and now he says we're not in a recession, but he'll cut taxes a little more anyway.
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Rolling back environmental protection was also a huge mistake. It helped industry, which looked good for Trump, but like the rest of his crackhead economic policy, it's spend big to party today, and ignore future. In this case there are going to be increased risk of cancer, which will add to your healthcare costs, along with huge site cleanup costs your children and grandchildren will need to pay for.
 
joko104 said:
You can be certain that Donald Trump will never become president. President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, every one of the Hollywood limousine crowd, every commentator on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC and every poll proves this conclusively.

So stop worrying about nothing. Donald Trump will never become president and has NO chance of beating President Hilary Clinton in her re-election.
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That Trump became president was a "perfect storm" moment, the likelihood of that happening again is not that big. Democrats are more hyped up to vote, the next democrat candidate will not be stupid enough to call people deplorable, the next candidate is not Hillary Clinton, the next candidate will actually visit and battle for all states, the next time the chances of Trump being aided by Russian trolls is a bit smaller and most importantly, people have seen how much of a mess Trump has made of his government and most likely people now will no longer see him as the "cleaner up of the swamp" nor will he be the political outsider.
 
Mycroft said:
This is what has happened in this AP poll. Their sample data by party affiliation does not represent the party affiliation data for the entire population and the result of their poll does not represent the results that would be obtained from the entire population. It's a bogus poll.

Now...the larger question is this: Why did they present a poll that is obviously wrong as if it does represent the entire population? The answer to that is that they believe they can get away with it.
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And why are you so sure it's the AP poll, (and every other poll you have claimed is bogus on this forum), that has this sampling error and not Gallup?

For example, every poll here that breaks down their sample by Party ID "overweighted" Democrats compared to what Gallup had at the time. Yet, they each got the result correct or actually underestimated the Democratic margin.

Both Gallup and these other pollsters are doing the exact same thing. They are weighting a sample based on other factors and asking people to identify their party. (Although some ask the question differently/push leaners which is another reason why your critiques don't really carry water in my opinion). Yet you seem to trust the Gallup numbers outright and claim that all of the others are completely bogus. Why is that?
 
Anagram said:
And why are you so sure it's the AP poll, (and every other poll you have claimed is bogus on this forum), that has this sampling error and not Gallup?

For example, every poll here that breaks down their sample by Party ID "overweighted" Democrats compared to what Gallup had at the time. Yet, they each got the result correct or actually underestimated the Democratic margin.

Both Gallup and these other pollsters are doing the exact same thing. They are weighting a sample based on other factors and asking people to identify their party. (Although some ask the question differently/push leaners which is another reason why your critiques don't really carry water in my opinion). Yet you seem to trust the Gallup numbers outright and claim that all of the others are completely bogus. Why is that?
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I edited my previous comment, but I'll say it again...If you have another source for national party affiliation, please present it and I'll consider them. Until then, I'll stick with Gallup.
 
JustHanging said:
Rolling back environmental protection was also a huge mistake. It helped industry, which looked good for Trump, but like the rest of his crackhead economic policy, it's spend big to party today, and ignore future. In this case there are going to be increased risk of cancer, which will add to your healthcare costs, along with huge site cleanup costs your children and grandchildren will need to pay for.
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What is cancer to money?

Sure he's bad on the environment enough to not vote for him, but do I have to take out my bow and hunt him down, or just not care if he wins?

You're right too, I can feel it.
 
JustHanging said:
Rolling back environmental protection was also a huge mistake. It helped industry, which looked good for Trump, but like the rest of his crackhead economic policy, it's spend big to party today, and ignore future. In this case there are going to be increased risk of cancer, which will add to your healthcare costs, along with huge site cleanup costs your children and grandchildren will need to pay for.
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He threw out at least the baby with the bath water on the environment, Obama's policies and his South American policy.

What would you keep of Trump?

Good debate question.
 
Mycroft said:
I edited my previous comment, but I'll say it again...If you have another source for national party affiliation, please present it and I'll consider them. Until then, I'll stick with Gallup.
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I suppose my other sources would be all of the polls doing it rather than looking at just one. Gallup doesn't even have a track record that can be measured any more since they ceased doing elections polling after being the most inaccurate pollster included by RCP in 2008 Obama vs. McCain, the 2010 Generic Congressional Ballot, and 2012 Obama vs. Romney. (Although to be fair they were inaccurate in favor of the Democrats in 2008 and in favor of Republicans in 2010 and 2012 so at least they haven't been biased in the same way.)

But I think it makes more sense to look at the aggregate of polling, see that it has historically been very accurate, that all of their polls disagree with Gallup and think that there might be something more there than one single formerly inaccurate pollster whose polling you can't even test for accuracy anymore since they don't poll elections.
 
Logician Man said:
Only 62 percent ? :eek:
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Yeah, only 62%.

But it's progress. There are some who will say they approve no matter what. Even if they are consciously troubled, some will feel it's their duty to say they approve, in order to show support for their chosen swamp monster since they know that the majority of the country will answer negatively.
 
Phys251 said:
As long as the Democratic base doesn't show the same level of fickleness that they showed in 2016, they can beat Trump next year.
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Sadly, there are not many very encouraging signs pointing to this actually happening.
All the Left needs if for the equivalent of the Bernie Bros to get upset that there is a more moderate candidate receiving the nomination and sit another election out, or vote for a 3rd party candidate that will pull in less than 3% of the vote and you might as well just call it now.
I hope I am wrong and the whole party rallies around whomever gets the nomination, but I have my doubts.
 
MTAtech said:
Just dismiss inconvenient information. I just hope the Russians don't fudge the election next year like they did in 2016, which had Trump win an electoral college victory by getting a measly 80,000 votes more, spread over four key states -- basically, a statistical fluke. We can be assured that the Dems aren't going to ignore MI, WI, PA and Iowa.

But do keep thinking that lightning is going to strike the same place twice.

Now that America got to see up close who they elected, he's less popular than ever.
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Trump beat Mrs. Clinton when his approval rating at 37.8% at election eve, the same approval you are crowing about now.
Stop with that 80,000 votes giving Trump the electoral majority & try to recall that Mr's Clinton won 3 states by less than
the 70,000 Trump won by. BTW the Democrat talking point has always been 3 states Mich, Wis & Pennsylvania not 4 as
you mentioned!
 
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