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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Don't get excited...this is just another bogus poll. Here is my post from that other thread on this topic:

    Here we go again...

    This Associated PressĖNORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll sampling by party...

    Dem - 44%
    Rep - 35%
    Ind - 21%

    http://www.apnorc.org/PDFs/AP-NORC%2...rstrelease.pdf

    Party affiliation in the US

    Dem - 27%
    Rep - 29%
    Ind - 38%

    Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends

    So...that poll oversampled Dems by 17%, Reps by 6% and undersampled Inds by a 17%.

    Add this bogus poll to that bogus Fox poll that was even worse...and that's why you NEVER trust an average of polls like you get from 538 or RCP. An average of bogus polls equals a bogus average. GIGO

    POLL REJECTED!!

    Sorry to burst your bubble...again.
    Aside from the other methodological errors in your post, why do you consider Gallup's numbers to be sacrosanct and every other pollster's to be completely bogus? Neither Gallup nor AP-NORC is weighting for Party ID in this case. They're each asking a national sample of adults weighted for other factors (age/race/etc.) to self-identify their party identification.
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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

    Only 62 percent ?
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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Answer to google inquiry "percent of voters registered as Democrats":
    ??? October 2017 ???

    Dude...I gave you a link to Gallup's CURRENT numbers.

    Advice: Stay away from Google.
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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Aside from the other methodological errors in your post, why do you consider Gallup's numbers to be sacrosanct and every other pollster's to be completely bogus? Neither Gallup nor AP-NORC is weighting for Party ID in this case. They're each asking a national sample of adults weighted for other factors (age/race/etc.) to self-identify their party identification.
    What Is a Sampling Error?

    A sampling error is a statistical error that occurs when an analyst does not select a sample that represents the entire population of data and the results found in the sample do not represent the results that would be obtained from the entire population.

    Sampling Error Definition
    This is what has happened in this AP poll. Their sample data by party affiliation does not represent the party affiliation data for the entire population and the result of their poll does not represent the results that would be obtained from the entire population. It's a bogus poll.

    Regarding Gallup's party affiliation numbers...

    They are a respected organization that has been providing party affiliation numbers for more than 15 years. If you have another source, please present it and I'll consider them.
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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

    Quote Originally Posted by Exquisitor View Post
    His only real error is his tax cut and now he says we're not in a recession, but he'll cut taxes a little more anyway.
    Rolling back environmental protection was also a huge mistake. It helped industry, which looked good for Trump, but like the rest of his crackhead economic policy, it's spend big to party today, and ignore future. In this case there are going to be increased risk of cancer, which will add to your healthcare costs, along with huge site cleanup costs your children and grandchildren will need to pay for.
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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

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    You can be certain that Donald Trump will never become president. President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, every one of the Hollywood limousine crowd, every commentator on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC and every poll proves this conclusively.

    So stop worrying about nothing. Donald Trump will never become president and has NO chance of beating President Hilary Clinton in her re-election.
    That Trump became president was a "perfect storm" moment, the likelihood of that happening again is not that big. Democrats are more hyped up to vote, the next democrat candidate will not be stupid enough to call people deplorable, the next candidate is not Hillary Clinton, the next candidate will actually visit and battle for all states, the next time the chances of Trump being aided by Russian trolls is a bit smaller and most importantly, people have seen how much of a mess Trump has made of his government and most likely people now will no longer see him as the "cleaner up of the swamp" nor will he be the political outsider.
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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    This is what has happened in this AP poll. Their sample data by party affiliation does not represent the party affiliation data for the entire population and the result of their poll does not represent the results that would be obtained from the entire population. It's a bogus poll.

    Now...the larger question is this: Why did they present a poll that is obviously wrong as if it does represent the entire population? The answer to that is that they believe they can get away with it.
    And why are you so sure it's the AP poll, (and every other poll you have claimed is bogus on this forum), that has this sampling error and not Gallup?

    For example, every poll here that breaks down their sample by Party ID "overweighted" Democrats compared to what Gallup had at the time. Yet, they each got the result correct or actually underestimated the Democratic margin.

    Both Gallup and these other pollsters are doing the exact same thing. They are weighting a sample based on other factors and asking people to identify their party. (Although some ask the question differently/push leaners which is another reason why your critiques don't really carry water in my opinion). Yet you seem to trust the Gallup numbers outright and claim that all of the others are completely bogus. Why is that?
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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    And why are you so sure it's the AP poll, (and every other poll you have claimed is bogus on this forum), that has this sampling error and not Gallup?

    For example, every poll here that breaks down their sample by Party ID "overweighted" Democrats compared to what Gallup had at the time. Yet, they each got the result correct or actually underestimated the Democratic margin.

    Both Gallup and these other pollsters are doing the exact same thing. They are weighting a sample based on other factors and asking people to identify their party. (Although some ask the question differently/push leaners which is another reason why your critiques don't really carry water in my opinion). Yet you seem to trust the Gallup numbers outright and claim that all of the others are completely bogus. Why is that?
    I edited my previous comment, but I'll say it again...If you have another source for national party affiliation, please present it and I'll consider them. Until then, I'll stick with Gallup.
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    Re: AP-NORC poll: 62% disapprove of how Trumpís handling his job

    Quote Originally Posted by JustHanging View Post
    Rolling back environmental protection was also a huge mistake. It helped industry, which looked good for Trump, but like the rest of his crackhead economic policy, it's spend big to party today, and ignore future. In this case there are going to be increased risk of cancer, which will add to your healthcare costs, along with huge site cleanup costs your children and grandchildren will need to pay for.
    What is cancer to money?

    Sure he's bad on the environment enough to not vote for him, but do I have to take out my bow and hunt him down, or just not care if he wins?

    You're right too, I can feel it.
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