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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Denmark is a NATO ally of ours. I know they don't carry the prestige of Trump's BFF Kim Jong Un, but if you're going to cone out in favor of invading an ally, that doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
    It actually is pretty much what Hitler did to Stalin. Interesting that our little band of Trumpets think this is a good idea.

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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Where will this all end? I just read an article that says Denmark has offered to buy America from Russia!

    NSFW! Delicate flowers should not open.

    Denmark offers to buy America from Russia - The Rochdale Herald
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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It's a money pit for Denmark.
    Alabama is a money pit for the US, but it's not for sale.

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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Where will this all end? I just read an article that says Denmark has offered to buy America from Russia!

    NSFW! Delicate flowers should not open.

    Denmark offers to buy America from Russia - The Rochdale Herald
    A LBO, denominated in USD, which Denmark could print in excess after the deal. Once paid off convert the US to the Kroner and the entire purchase would have paid for itself.
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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Ummm Transactions are not colonialism..You looking to move to greenland?


    You appear to fixate on a specific time when this was considered. This would be incorrect as well.

    It is more like 4-6 times this transaction was proposed and for very good reason.

    US Wants to Buy Greenland...again. TIME Reported Similar Plans in 1947

    "News that President Donald Trump is interested in buying Greenland prompted mockery on Thursday when it was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

    But it wouldn’t be the first time a President has sought to buy Arctic land from another country: In 1867, President Andrew Johnson bought Alaska from Russia for $7.2 million.

    It wouldn’t even be the first time the U.S. has tried to bag Greenland. Back in 1946, officials offered Denmark $100 million in gold bars for the world’s largest island, a Danish autonomous territory. U.S. officials at the time thought it was a “military necessity.”

    That 1946 offer was supposed to be a secret. (It was only widely revealed in 1991, when declassified documents were discovered by a Danish newspaper.) But in 1947, TIME caught a whiff of similar plans.

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    “This week, as U.S. strategists studied the azimuthal map of the Arctic,” TIME’s Jan. 27, 1947 issue reads, “Washington military men thought this might be as good a time as any to buy Greenland, if they could.”

    The article is accompanied by a map titled “Arctic Circles,” which shows concentric circles emanating from both Alaska and Greenland––emphasizing Greenland’s proximity to European capitals including Moscow."

    People buy and sell land as well as other properties all the time. It is a good buy for both parties if they agree such. If not then move on.
    Truman negotiated with Denmark and got a military base there instead. Our interests were satisfied and we didn't have to shell out 100 million dollars. I call that a win/win. I don't think Trump is concerned about the strategic value of Greenland. I think he wants to strip out its mineral resources. He thinks he can make a lot of money.

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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    For the love of god. Calling this a transaction is beyond idiotic, racist and moronic.

    1) Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark.
    2) Greenland has its own government and self determination up to a point.
    3) Greenlanders own land all over Greenland.

    Denmark, nor the Greenland government can sell other peoples land even if they wanted too.

    The fact that Trump and his people are arrogant and racist enough to think that the people of Greenland are not worthy of any respect and can be bought and sold like slaves of the 1700s, shows a lack of basic humanity and sanity in the 21st century. That people like you and others bring up the fact that Denmark has sold land before and the US has bought land before shows a total lack of understanding that we are not in the ****ing 1800s! When the US bought Alaska, stole Hawaii and bought the Danish West Indies, you still had slavery or/and racist policies that would easily have justified the buying and selling of people. You are trying to use that same justification in the 21st century and that is beyond shocking.

    Lets put it in context... Denmark wants to buy one of your states, lets say Minnesota.. how much?
    Your post reeks of desperate and implausible indignation.

    First, yes, Greenland is under the sovereign control of Denmark, and its 50-60K people are currently Danish citizens. But it is also has had a special status, essentially it is what remains of an overseas colony that has since been granted mostly home rule (not unlike the dissolution of the British empire outside of India). Should Denmark wish it, (or any Danish territory) the remaining Danish sovereignty can be transferred either to a fully freed Greenland OR transferred to another power by another act of Danish government.

    Second, any transfer can be made conditional; e.g. a sale and transfer that maintains mostly home rule and/or provides American citizenship (or dual citizenship)...as would be almost certain anyway.

    Third, who gives a hoot of Greenlanders own property? The US government is not interested in purchasing property but in purchasing political sovereignty over foreign affairs and defense. I realize Danes may have a different view of property than Americans, but I think the difference between political control over foreign policy and real property rights are obvious in Anglo-American law.

    Four, there is nothing inherently racist or even necessarily arrogant in willingly transferring territorial sovereignty. Norway and Denmark broke their own union. And the same countries then went to court to fight over which of them "owned" Greenland and its people (Denmark won in 1931). Modern China reestablished conditional sovereignty over Hong Kong in a deal; the UN (and League of Nations) granted trusteeships of sovereign control on numerous occasions and circumstances (how shocking?). Denmark sold sovereignty over virgin islands to the US, which didn't seem to bother the Danes the least (and, by the way, they didn't have slavery in 1917 or 1931 "to justify it" did they?)

    Five, their are only two routes to obtaining sovereignty. One is violence and the other is mutual agreement. Since WWII transfers have included Israel, India, Vietnam, Korea, Rhodesia, South Africa, African decolonialization, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, the South Pacific islands, Crimea, the Soviet Union, eastern Europe, etc. Of the two methods, don't you think mutual agreement is the best...if necessary by making a generous offer? Shouldn't have many of those prior often violent examples have been very lucky for both parties if such transfer could have been accomplished with little more than a purchase?

    So please, cease the over-acting outrage over nation states territory by simple and mutually agreed transactions. Should Russia have obtained the Crimea an economic deal with the Ukraine most of the world (including those two countries) would have not been grandstanding about the "horror" of making deals in the 21st century...expect you, of course.
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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    It actually is pretty much what Hitler did to Stalin. Interesting that our little band of Trumpets think this is a good idea.
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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    You seem unaware that Trump did not choose to float a trial balloon in public; it only became public because of a leak to the press by other(s) that he was making inquiries to staff on Greenland. After the press decided to make it public, the opportunity for discussion in private was precluded.

    Doing business the normal way, especially with the MSM, is impossible. You are excoriating the wrong guy, in case you missed the obvious.
    In as much as the Trump White House leaks like a sieve, as did the Trump campaign, you would think that the fool would be smart enough to contain the knowledge of this scheme to a small need to know group.

    Which is not the way the Trump White House has operated.

    More to the point is the fact that there is no one smart enough among the collection of hangers on, sycophants, and bag men around Trump to tell the fool that this is a hair brained scheme in the first place.

    Of course, once it got out, he could have laughed it off as a joke.

    But Trump himself stepped on that narrative, setting the Danes up to have to publicly dismiss the notion.

    Then, the fool cancels a state visit that he invited himself to in the first place.

    You don’t get much more rude than that.

    Trump never had any class at all. He’s a vulgar, small minded little man child.

    And the entire world is watching.

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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    Trump never had any class at all. He’s a vulgar, small minded little man child.
    Yes and a ****ing moron.

    And the entire world is watching.
    And laughing.
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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Are we honestly going to act as though her calling an idea "absurd" is some huge insult? You're acting as though she told him to go suck a dick.
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