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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

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    If that's the case Denmark better start paying the 2% that all EU countries are supposed to pay as a Nato participant.
    They are only paying 1.3% & until they pay up they will be in Trumps crosshairs!
    Got 3 years... Funny how all right wing Americans forget that critical part of the agreement..

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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sure trying to get the Olympic games to the US is going to bankrupt the economy. If anything Obama has aided the economy.

    Secondly, Obama strove to diminish the American Influence? How? By being a decent president? By not acting like a petulant 4 year old?

    Also, I live in the Netherlands, and I would not want him to visit the region where I live.
    Most Olympics leave behind rotting and unused complexes. Has there ever been an Olympics that has not been a net loss to the host Country/Town? I would never want to see an Olympics come to the US.
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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Denmark has a 6 billion dollar surplus so spending 600 million in Greenland ain't gonna break the bank.

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    If Denmark is so flush with money, why do they refuse to meet their agreed upon Nato membership goals?

    Only five of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's 28 member countries last year met the alliance goal of spending at least 2% of their gross domestic product on defense.

    Only 5 of 28 NATO countries are paying agreed-upon amount on defense - Business Insider
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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Trump postpones Denmark trip over Greenland sale - CNNPolitics

    It is disgraceful that Trump cozies up to dictators and strongmen but when Denmark does not want to take about selling Greenland he insults the Danes and their Royal family but cancelling. That is the way the US treats it's allies in this day and age.

    A president needs to be presidential, not petty as hell.
    He is a spoiled brat, always has been, and always will be nothing more.

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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    1) If Trump was actually sane, he'd know that it is no longer the 19th century, and that sovereign territories are not for sale.

    2) If Trump was actually sane, he'd know that we already have a military base on Greenland; and if we needed more, we could negotiate with the government of Denmark for additional locations.

    3) If Trump was actually sane, he'd know that we can do this crazy thing called "trade with other nations" in order to access natural resources in other nations. It is his own protectionist policies that is teeing up Greenland for China's benefit.

    4) If Trump was actually sane, he'd realize that the way the US handles its existing foreign possessions is pretty ****ty.

    5) When Denmark said "no," the White House first denied that it was a big deal. Then, Trump petulantly called off his visit. The Danes now have take down the signs they already put up for his visit saying "Partner, ally, friend."

    I.e. his ignorance resulted in yet another international embarrassment and strained diplomatic relationship for the US. Must be Wednesday.
    If sanity were an issue, we should be far more concerned over the many whack-a-doodles with TDS hysteria than with the eccentricities of Donald Trump. The critics outraged stupidities and hyperbolic mouth foaming over the slightest vocalization by Trump would, were this a clinical setting, require a 5150 72hr observation at your local mental health lockup.

    For the record, there isn't (nor hasn't) been any unwritten principle that colonial or other territories can't be transferred via non-violent transaction. Granted, the common method of "transfer" in the 20th century has been through war (WWI, WWII, wars of nationalist independence), but this "modern" method has been far less "sane" than that of peaceful 18th or 19th century buying and selling (e.g. Louisiana purchase and Seward purchase).

    And it certainty is not insane to weigh the advantages of owning a territory on a new frontier, soon to be more climate hospitable providing vast claims to arctic oil, gas, fishing rights, and mineral wealth. A value not lost on Russians, the Chinese, and Canada all of whom understands the benefits of owning source of state revenue, taxes, and national income...even if the Trump haters don't.

    Finally, given Denmark's increasingly loose control of Greenland means that military security and force basing may not be available to the US at some point, especially disconcerting in that Greenland itself attempted to facilitate major Chinese involvement with its infrastructure development.

    On only one point is Trump acting a tad daffy: his cancellation of the trip to Denmark. But that excepted, his position and interest is more than sane - its intriguing and far sighted - which is unusual from a US that normally reacts to events long after the horse has left he barn.

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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by nitroexpress View Post
    If Denmark is so flush with money, why do they refuse to meet their agreed upon Nato membership goals?

    Only five of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's 28 member countries last year met the alliance goal of spending at least 2% of their gross domestic product on defense.

    Only 5 of 28 NATO countries are paying agreed-upon amount on defense - Business Insider
    Maybe the same reason we're are supposedly doing so great but keep ignoring our failibg infastructor and shool system, priorities.

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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Trump postpones Denmark trip over Greenland sale - CNNPolitics

    It is disgraceful that Trump cozies up to dictators and strongmen but when Denmark does not want to take about selling Greenland he insults the Danes and their Royal family but cancelling. That is the way the US treats it's allies in this day and age.

    A president needs to be presidential, not petty as hell.
    Don't tell me our Toddler in Chief threw a temper tantrum after being told no that he can't have something. Again? How shocking!


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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by nitroexpress View Post
    If Denmark is so flush with money, why do they refuse to meet their agreed upon Nato membership goals?

    Only five of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's 28 member countries last year met the alliance goal of spending at least 2% of their gross domestic product on defense.

    Only 5 of 28 NATO countries are paying agreed-upon amount on defense - Business Insider
    There's no payment involved. Each country is currently committed to spending 2% of their gdp on defence. They have three years to reach this target, so nobody "isn't paying their way"
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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    If sanity were an issue, we should be far more concerned over the many whack-a-doodles with TDS hysteria....
    Cool story bro

    Back in the real world, Trump indulges in a constant stream of embarrassment and outrages and insults, unlike pretty much any of his predecessors. Obama, Bush 43, Clinton, Bush 41, regardless of party, none of them deliberately acted like a 2 year old in office.


    For the record, there isn't (nor hasn't) been any unwritten principle that colonial or other territories can't be transferred via non-violent transaction.
    For the record, buying and selling sovereign properties pretty much stopped being a thing 50-100 years ago. And of course, many of the "sales" you mention were sold by entities that didn't exactly gain the land via peaceful agreement.


    And it certainty is not insane to weigh the advantages of owning a territory on a new frontier, soon to be more climate hospitable providing vast claims to arctic oil, gas, fishing rights, and mineral wealth. A value not lost on Russians, the Chinese, and Canada all of whom understands the benefits of owning source of state revenue, taxes, and national income...even if the Trump haters don't.
    Re-read my comments about trade, and how bone-headed moves like this drive our own allies into the arms of China and Russia.


    Finally, given Denmark's increasingly loose control of Greenland means that military security and force basing may not be available to the US at some point, especially disconcerting in that Greenland itself attempted to facilitate major Chinese involvement with its infrastructure development.
    What the f*** are you talking about?

    Greenland isn't facing any major military threat. Denmark isn't slacking in its responsibilities in managing Greenland. Greenland is an autonomous territory that

    And again: Trump's foreign policy (to the degree it exists at all) is a string of nationalistic, xenophobic, transactional temper tantrums that are largely hostile to our own allies, and friendly to authoritarian leaders. None of that says to Greenland "we want to help you develop your infrastructure." Nor does "I want to buy this autonomous state, and slap the name Trump on it."

    Offering to buy Greenland like it's a plot of swamp land is pretty much at the bottom of the list of "intelligent ways to restrain China's international ambitions."

    I mean, really. Think about it for a minute. How would you react if Mexico offered to purchase Texas, in an attempt to curtail the international influence of the United States?


    On only one point is Trump acting a tad daffy: his cancellation of the trip to Denmark. But that excepted, his position and interest is more than sane - its intriguing and far sighted - which is unusual from a US that normally reacts to events long after the horse has left he barn.
    What's truly "daffy" is your implication that Trump is playing 4-dimensional chess, when in reality he is acting like an impetuous child, who throws a temper tantrum at every turn.
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    Re: Trump postpones Denmark trip after Prime Minister refuses to discuss sale of Greenland

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    Regardless of subtleties she'll be in Trump's crosshairs
    You going to enlist to fight yourself if der trumpengroper bungles us into a war with em?

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