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Harry Reid rips Dems over 'Medicare-for-all,' border policies: 'Of course' it will hurt us in 2020

ajn678 said:
False. The extremist positions on the stage wanted to remove private insurance, which is not at all what most of these countries have. Many of them have socialized medicine, but also allow private insurance to still be a thing.

Also this isn't a Republican saying it. Its Harry Reid. One of the most successful Democratic politicians of the last 50 years.
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Their entire platform is made up of far left ideas that may be popular with the left fringe of the party and popular in major cities on each coast but not in the rest of the country. There is a reason they want to abolish the electoral system.
 
Napoleon said:
Untrue. What works in most of the developed world is a system of nationalized healthcare providers, mountains of direct price controls and oversight, nationalized coverage, the tax rates required to pay for it and all operating alongside a private industry for same.
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Not to mention a healthier population to begin with - not one that's 40% obese.
 
Lursa said:
Can you source that they also have private health insurance?
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In the UK for example:

“Private health insurance: In 2015, an estimated 10.5 percent of the U.K. population had private voluntary health insurance, with 3.94 million policies held at the beginning of 2015.”

And here are a few other interesting tidbits from my source:

“An estimated 548 private hospitals and between 500 and 600 private clinics in the U.K. offer a range of services, including treatments either unavailable in the NHS or subject to long waiting times, such as bariatric surgery and fertility treatment, but generally do not have emergency, trauma, or intensive-care facilities.”

“The NHS pays for some long-term care, such as care for people with continuing medical or skilled-nursing needs, but payments in recent years have been substantially reduced. Most long-term care is provided by local authorities and the private sector.”

“In 2009, the private sector provided 78 percent of residential care places for older people and the physically disabled in the U.K.”

Etc.
 
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MTAtech said:
As I previously said, there is a range. Medicare for All replaces private insurance with a government run system. Saying "they want to remove private insurance" is a scare tactic. While Bernie holds this view, Harris, Biden and Warren do not.
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You said something false. It was not an accurate statement. This is what people often do. You say something false, trying to make it seem like Democrats only want something reasonable. Either you are dishonest about the true positions, or ignorant of their positions.

It isn't a scare tactic to state truths about one of the frontrunners in the race. Correct me I am wrong, but I believe that Harris and Warren have refused to say what happens to private insurance in their plans. It seems only Bernie and Biden can be honest in their positions.
 
MTAtech said:
Oh heavens. Some Democrats running for president are radical because they want America to have the same type of health insurance that's proven to work is most of the developed world.
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Canada, Germany, France, etc all spend about 5k per person to fund their healthcare systems, and they still have problems. The US spends double that - 10k per year per person, the highest in the world. No universal plan will work spending what the US spends, that's why not even Vermont or Commiefornia could make it work. Provider prices have to be cut in half, and I haven't heard any Dem candidate even talk about it.
 
Napoleon said:
In the UK for example:

“Private health insurance: In 2015, an estimated 10.5 percent of the U.K. population had private voluntary health insurance, with 3.94 million policies held at the beginning of 2015.”
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Thanks.
 
American said:
Harry Reid rips Dems over '''Medicare-for-all,''' border policies: '''Of course''' it will hurt us in 2020 | Fox News


We've tried to tell liberals and other Democrats that they are morons, but they won't listen. Their policies are only loved in the liberal echo chamber, not in mainstream America with citizens that have at least half a brain.
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Is this the same Harry Rear who squandered six years of a Senate majority and let Moscow Mitch take him for a ride?

Hard pass on his concern trolling. His words would mean more if he had the track record to back it up.
 
The hell with establishment, moderate democrats and the hell with the right. We need to move left, and the democrat party as is is center. And the hell with right wing extremist who have no credibility and want to spread garbage
 
aociswundumho said:
Canada, Germany, France, etc all spend about 5k per person to fund their healthcare systems, and they still have problems. The US spends double that - 10k per year per person, the highest in the world. No universal plan will work spending what the US spends, that's why not even Vermont or Commiefornia could make it work. Provider prices have to be cut in half, and I haven't heard any Dem candidate even talk about it.
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The United States spent about $3.5 trillion in 2017 on health care. That's roughly $11,000 per person. France spends about $4,000 per person and they have the best medical outcomes.
 
Taylor said:
Not to mention a healthier population to begin with - not one that's 40% obese.
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That is true today but, as an interesting bit of history, the support for a national health service swelled after the draft in WWI and WWII found most people medically unfit for purpose. Lack of access to healthcare was revealed as a national security liability.
 
Napoleon said:
That is true today but, as an interesting bit of history, the support for a national health service swelled after the draft in WWI and WWII found most people medically unfit for purpose.
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Interesting. I wonder how our current population would stack up against those older standards.
 
Phys251 said:
Is this the same Harry Rear who squandered six years of a Senate majority and let Moscow Mitch take him for a ride?

Hard pass on his concern trolling. His words would mean more if he had the track record to back it up.
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What was that about a hairy rear? Shouldn't that kind of talk be in the Sex & Sexuality forum?
 
MTAtech said:
The United States spent about $3.5 trillion in 2017 on health care. That's roughly $11,000 per person. France spends about $4,000 per person and they have the best medical outcomes.
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My point was provider prices in the US have to be drastically reduced, and no Democrat is even talking about it.
 
ajn678 said:
False. The extremist positions on the stage wanted to remove private insurance, which is not at all what most of these countries have. Many of them have socialized medicine, but also allow private insurance to still be a thing.

Also this isn't a Republican saying it. Its Harry Reid. One of the most successful Democratic politicians of the last 50 years.
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The reality is that private insurance is probably not going to be wholly eliminated but effectively eliminated, i.e. reduced to a small role in supplemental/top up coverage like say cosmetic surgery, hearing aids, glasses or brand name drugs in place of generics as is the case in places like Canada the UK.
 
aociswundumho said:
My point was provider prices in the US have to be drastically reduced, and no Democrat is even talking about it.
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Sure they are, but their solution is to hand control of the entire medical care industry over to the federal government. After all, that greatly reduced US defense spending - why not do that for medical care as well?
 
American said:
Harry Reid rips Dems over '''Medicare-for-all,''' border policies: '''Of course''' it will hurt us in 2020 | Fox News


We've tried to tell liberals and other Democrats that they are morons, but they won't listen. Their policies are only loved in the liberal echo chamber, not in mainstream America with citizens that have at least half a brain.
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Someone who tosses his panties at Donald Trump's feet calling others "morons". How funny.

Mainstream Americans - those of us with more than half a brain(explaining why we reject Trump and the failure that is the Republican Party of Trump), and right now, more Americans than not - reject Trump. Where does that leave you?
 
aociswundumho said:
Canada, Germany, France, etc all spend about 5k per person to fund their healthcare systems, and they still have problems. The US spends double that - 10k per year per person, the highest in the world. No universal plan will work spending what the US spends, that's why not even Vermont or Commiefornia could make it work. Provider prices have to be cut in half, and I haven't heard any Dem candidate even talk about it.
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The US spends as much as it does precisely because it has no universal plans and govt involvement that keeps pricing under control; add the toxic influence of money in politics which precludes this alongside rampant payer fragmentation and you end up with the most inefficient healthcare system the world has ever known. The US govt hilariously can't even negotiate drug prices for Medicare, while insurance companies still can, as a result of blatant political corruption per the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003.
 
First time ever a conservative praised Reid.

Sorry cons, you don't get to pick leftist policies, no longer. We don't care if our picks upset you.

**** your feelings.
 
Obscurity said:
First time ever a conservative praised Reid.

Sorry cons, you don't get to pick leftist policies, no longer. We don't care if our picks upset you.

**** your feelings.
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Who's praising him? People are talking about a Democrat giving his opinions, just like the tons of threads on Republicans expressing their problems with Trump.
 
Surrealistik said:
The reality is that private insurance is probably not going to be wholly eliminated but effectively eliminated, i.e. reduced to a small role in supplemental/top up coverage like say cosmetic surgery, hearing aids, glasses or brand name drugs in place of generics as is the case in places like Canada the UK.
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The reality is that at least one of the front runners wants to remove them through law, not like you suggested.
 
MTAtech said:
Projection is a wonderful thing. Your guy thinks that the president of Apple is "Tim Apple" and windmills cause cancer -- and you complain about Biden's brain?
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If I were you, I'd be more concerned about all of the democrats who have been complaining about Biden's brain.
 
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