Elizabeth Warren apologizes for 'harm I have caused' at Native American forum in Iowa

[Cardinal]

Warren has apologized for what, exactly? It seems that Warren claimed Cherokee heritage without bothering to inform the Cherokee nation of that "fact".

And was she wrong? Before you answer, keep in mind that your post is regarding heritage; not tribal affiliation.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I don't know; what is she apologizing for, exactly?

Being white and inviting herself into the NA community.

 

[ajn678]

This may finally put the whole "Pocahontas" thing to bed. Warren has gone full circle from ignoring the issue, to defending it with her "I'm a native - my grandma said so" to the silly DNA test which spectacularly backfired, to prostrating herself before the permanently aggrieved and apologizing for the 'harm I have caused'. Harm?

Note that for anyone who was personally harmed by Warren pretending to be a Native, I suggest that person not go outside during a windy day because he is the weakest, most easily harmed person in the whole world.

Maybe there was an actual Native somewhere who was harmed when she didn't get hired at Harvard Law School because they figured they already had one in Warren. But I don't even know about that.

The only question now is if Warren gets the Dem nomination, will Trump continue to call her Pocahontas all the way through to next Nov, 400+ days from now? That will start to get old quickly. But we may see.

Or she could've just told the truth in the first place. She's not sorry. She's sorry that people cared about her lying and that she got caught.

 

[Cardinal]

So what? Are you like the pearl clutchers on here pretending that her sharing of her family folklore is the reason you won't vote for her? Nobody cares about this issue except for people who wouldn't vote for her anyway. I've said for the last 7 years that she is probably my least favorite Democrat or politician of any party - and I've posted dozens of reasons why that is. I dread the idea of having to vote for her if she's the nominee. But I'll do it anyway if she's my only choice. And my objection to her has never been about something as stupid and trivial as this issue that is irrelevant to everyone.

I can vouch for this. Tres is (probably) not going to vote for her if she's the Democratic nominee, but it'll be because Tres doesn't like her policies; not because of some silly horse**** Republicans are making up.

 

[Cardinal]

Being white and inviting herself into the NA community.

"Community." Intentionally watering down your terminology in order to be as vague as possible so that some microscopic amount of the false republican narrative fits?

 

[ttwtt78640]

And was she wrong? Before you answer, keep in mind that your post is regarding heritage; not tribal affiliation.

One was entirely based on the other. I will ask it again - how can one claim to be NA without asserting any past tribal affiliation?

 

[Cardinal]

One was entirely based on the other. I will ask it again - how can one claim to be NA without asserting any past tribal affiliation?

So you admit then that she never claimed tribal affiliation. By the way, nice attempt to move the goal posts with your insertion of "past," as if that helped you at all.

Now answer the question. She claimed NA heritage. Was she wrong? Did she have NA ancestry or not?

 

[CharisRose]

Who cares? This thread is about Elizabeth Warren. There are some great sections of this board where people talk about things like this. And places where people can help you research your family members. This thread isn't it.

Okay. The point of my story was that Elizabeth Warren did not show respect to her Indian Nation via getting validation from her Indian Nation before she claimed to be a member of their Nation.

If, she had shown respect we would not be having this discussion.

Roseann

 

[Cardinal]

Okay. The point of my story was that Elizabeth Warren did not show respect to her Indian Nation via getting validation from her Indian Nation before she claimed to be a member of their Nation.

If, she had shown respect we would not be having this discussion.

Roseann

She didn't claim to be a member of their Nation. Why do you have to lie?

 

[ttwtt78640]

"Community." Intentionally watering down your terminology in order to be as vague as possible so that some microscopic amount of the false republican narrative fits?

That was Warren's stated goal for claiming NA status - to get in touch with other members of her NA community.

 

[Cardinal]

That was Warren's stated goal for claiming NA status - to get in touch with other members of her NA community.

You're just straight-up lying now. You're better than this. Or are you?

 

[ttwtt78640]

So you admit then that she never claimed tribal affiliation. By the way, nice attempt to move the goal posts with your insertion of "past," as if that helped you at all.

Now answer the question. She claimed NA heritage. Was she wrong? Did she have NA ancestry or not?

We don't know - the DNA test does not identify which individual contributed to her DNA. If I put a Ford part on a Chevy is that vehicle now a Ford?

 

[Cardinal]

We don't know - the DNA test does not identify which individual contributed to her DNA. If I put a Ford part on a Chevy is that vehicle now a Ford?

You're deflecting, and badly. Now answer the question: She claimed NA heritage. Was she wrong?

 

[ttwtt78640]

You're just straight-up lying now. You're better than this. Or are you?

Hmm... who "straight-up lied" might just be Warren herself.

Warren contributed recipes to a Native American cookbook called “Pow Wow Chow,” published in 1984 by the Five Civilized Tribes Museum in Muskogee, Okla. She signed her entries “Elizabeth Warren -- Cherokee.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...0b7f568-08a5-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html

 

[exoplanet]

So, she's "sorry".

She falsely represented herself as native American to get a job at Harvard. Whoever she beat for that job suffered considerable harm, I think.

Prove that caused to get hired over someone else. You can't.

By the way, you left out the fact that the moderator at the function you cite berated the native Americans in the audience for not being very enthusiastic about Warren.

Berating? You watched the video and called that "berating"? LOL.

 

[Cardinal]

Hmm... who "straight-up lied" might just be Warren herself.

What were her precise claims? Exact quotes, please. Dont' post crap links.

 

[ajn678]

Don't lower yourself to Trump's playground level. Using the slur Pocahontas is racist. Just stop.

No it isn't.

 

[ajn678]

Millions of dollars in salary? Really??:lamo You think academics make millions of dollars? :lamo:lamo:lamo

Someone at her position most certainly would. Check her net worth.

 

[RedSunRising]

Her apology was not for claiming NA heritage - it was for claiming Cherokee heritage as it's basis. To assert that Warren did not claim Cherokee heritage (as related to her from "family lore") was the entire basis for her NA claim is simply BS.

How one could make a claim of NA heritage but without claiming any tribal connections has not been explained by either Warren or you.

I used the Pow Wow Chow recipe examples to further make that point - the recipes were claimed to be obtained from her Cherokee family members not to simply be generic NA (whatever that is) in origin.

Yeah, still not making sense. Your cookbook wonderment aside, Warren still never made a claim of being a member of a tribe.

 

[tres borrachos]

I can vouch for this. Tres is (probably) not going to vote for her if she's the Democratic nominee, but it'll be because Tres doesn't like her policies; not because of some silly horse**** Republicans are making up.

Well said. But with one correction. I will vote for her if she's the nominee because as much as I'm not a fan of her politics, she is infinitely better than Donald Trump. If I was voting in the NH Democratic primary next year (which I'm not because I'm staying registered as a Republican to vote for Weld to send a message to the party), she would likely be in my bottom 3 of people I would vote for.

But any reason I would have to NOT vote for her wouldn't be "Native American yarrr blargh Pocahontas" horse****. Because it's just that. Horse****. Who the holy **** cares?

 

[tres borrachos]

She didn't claim to be a member of their Nation. Why do you have to lie?

That's another thing that irks me no end. To the best of my knowledge (unless someone proves otherwise), she never at any time claimed to be a member of any tribal nation. People are lying about that.

 

[ajn678]

A bunch of dishonest people in this thread. Let me lay it out in simple terms as it is clear most are either being dishonest or do not understand the severity of doing something like this.

In higher academia, there are several quotas that are either officially met, or wink wink nod nod met by departments. This is in every aspect of a university system. The student population, the faculty and staff.

In regards to students, Asians have to score much higher on their SATs to get accepted to a university than other minorities. This has been shown time and time again, throughout many different university systems, Harvard included.

Gender and ethnic makeup are very important to universities to show that they have a diverse group of faculty and staff that is inclusive. This helps them recruit top minds of other areas around the world, bring in the best students from around the world, as well as boost funding.

Elizabeth Warren claimed she was Native American on multiple applications or documents where it is generally considered extremely immoral if not illegal to lie about. Don't give me this bull**** about thinking she's Native American, she's more white than most white people in this country.

So getting back to who she hurt. She hurt other applicants that were considered but did not have enough "social points" to be considered over her. She hurt the universities and organizations that she lied to. She hurt Native Americans.

And just so anyone is clear and doesn't try to bring up Trump in some whataboutism bull****.

I don't like Trump. I would be happy if he was voted out in 2020 and replaced by someone not insane. You can not support Trump and also hold people in the Democratic party accountable for what they do too.

For some reason this seems like a crazy idea to many here.

 

[Cardinal]

A bunch of dishonest people in this thread. Let me lay it out in simple terms as it is clear most are either behind dishonest or do not understand the severity of doing something like this.

In higher academia, there are several quotas that are either officially met, or wink wink nod nod met by departments. This is in every aspect of a university system. The student population, the faculty and staff.

In regards to students, Asians have to score much higher on their SATs to get accepted to a university than other minorities. This has been shown time and time again, throughout many different university systems, Harvard included.

Gender and ethnic makeup are very important to universities to show that they have a diverse group of faculty and staff that is inclusive. This helps them recruit top minds of other areas around the world, bring in the best students from around the world, as well as boost funding.

Elizabeth Warren claimed she was Native American on multiple applications or documents where it is generally considered extremely immoral if not illegal to lie about. Don't give me this bull**** about thinking she's Native American, she's more white than most white people in this country.

So getting back to who she hurt. She hurt other applicants that were considered but did not have enough "social points" to be considered over her. She hurt the universities and organizations that she lied to. She hurt Native Americans.

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And just so anyone is clear and doesn't try to bring up Trump in some whataboutism bull****.

I don't like Trump. I would be happy if he was voted out in 2020 and replaced by someone not insane. You can not support Trump and also hold people in the Democratic party accountable for what they do too.

For some reason this seems like a crazy idea to many here.

If she's the Democratic nominee then her opponent will be Trump. Reminding everyone that Trump is the biggest scumbag we have isn't whataboutism; it's pointing out that between the two candidates, Trump is a total scumbag and Warren isn't.

 

[ajn678]

[citation needed]

Sir,

Let's not pretend you read that within 30 seconds of it being posted. Perhaps you should read it first. Nothing I said was controversial or not known by the general public.

 

[Cardinal]

Sir,

Let's not pretend you read that within 30 seconds of it being posted. Perhaps you should read it first. Nothing I said was controversial or not known by the general public.

I skimmed your post and saw the same made-up horse**** that every other person who never would have voted for her already posted.

So again:[citation needed]