Elizabeth Warren apologizes for 'harm I have caused' at Native American forum in Iowa

[Cardinal]

The apology to the Cherokee Nation was in her words - I gave you an example of why she felt that such an apology was necessary. Do your own homework on the matter - her own words have specifically mentioned both the Cherokee and Delaware tribes as the source of her NA ancestry based on "family lore".

I’m not interested in your words or your fake links. Post her exact claim.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I’m not interested in your words or your fake links. Post her exact claim.

I do not take orders from you. HAND

 

[Cardinal]

I do not take orders from you. HAND

And I don’t take lies and fake links from you. OLECRANON.

 

[3leftsdoo]

And yet you're unable to link even a single one.

So very many...

 

[3leftsdoo]

This thread is quite a refresher course in wanton liberal denial.

 

[Deuce]

Correct, but it did not show any particular tribal (Cherokee) connection which was her "family lore" based claim. That DNA could have come from anywhere in South, Central or North America.

Is this relevant to something you decided not to mention?

 

[Deuce]

According to the book Pow Wow Chow she is "Elizabeth Warren - Cherokee".

Do you believe the DNA test proves that to be false?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Do you believe the DNA test proves that to be false?

Nope, nor does it prove that to be true. There is no Cherokee gene just as there is no ISIS gene or Texan gene.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Nope, nor does it prove that to be true. There is no Cherokee gene just as there is no ISIS gene or Texan gene.

There are so Texan jeans!!!!

 

[Mustachio]

I'm not arguing semantics. Are you sure you understand the meaning of the term? A semantic difference is fat vs zaftig or Rubenesque. Yes, being denied a fair opportunity to advance in one's career is hurtful. Damaging.

What I am saying is that losing a chance for a prestige position because somebody else cheated does substantially damage a career. If you would like for me to offer a specific Harvard example, I'd be happy to do so.

Are you aware of Elizabeth Warren's background in academia? It's absolutely astonishing how accomplished she was before she ever had any connection to Harvard. My issue is the absurdity of this being an issue that the right believes is relevant. Harvard says her employment there was not due to claims of ancestry. Do you have proof or a legitimate reason why you consider that claim to be fabricated? Do you want me to give you an example of somebody having to go to Vietnam, presumably because wealthy people could call on doctors who were their friends for a quick diagnosis of a bone spur? I can. My Uncle. He died. In your example, does the person die?

 

[Mustachio]

Translation:

"It's not sleazy when Democrats do it!"

:donkeyfla

Lying is always sleazy. Do you see my lean? It's not "undisclosed." I'm a liberal because I believe in the environment, health care for all Americans, restoring the middle class and creating an equitable country for all Americans. I believe in the grandfather teachings of the Native Americans (that's just a coincidence). I've said on this forum before that it's an absolute shame that we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Warren is a Democrat through and through. I will never associate myself with a political party because the notion that I believe in everything that one party's platform says would mean I've been brainwashed.

But we do have to vote for the lesser of two evils. And in this case, there is no candidate running on the Democratic side that is less evil than Trump, who is 100% against protecting the environment, providing all Americans with health care, restoring the middle class and creating an equitable country for all Americans. I disagree with his positions on every issue that's very important to me. Do you take issue with anything I just said?

 

[nota bene]

Are you aware of Elizabeth Warren's background in academia? It's absolutely astonishing how accomplished she was before she ever had any connection to Harvard. My issue is the absurdity of this being an issue that the right believes is relevant. Harvard says her employment there was not due to claims of ancestry. Do you have proof or a legitimate reason why you consider that claim to be fabricated? Do you want me to give you an example of somebody having to go to Vietnam, presumably because wealthy people could call on doctors who were their friends for a quick diagnosis of a bone spur? I can. My Uncle. He died. In your example, does the person die?

Yes, I'm aware of Warren's academic background, even the University of Houston. Her accomplishments aren't at issue. And I guarantee you that I understand academia itself far better than you can even imagine, including how the decisions of hiring committees are made.

This doesn't have anything to do with the "right" or the "left" for me; it's about right and wrong and taking dishonorable and unfair advantage. And it's about cheating. Warren is a plagiarist. This is arguably the greatest of academic sins.

I don't need for you to give me an example of somebody who went to Vietnam and died or lived. :roll:

I even understand the difference between body death and career death. If you are unable to understand that positions at Harvard (and elsewhere, of course) are coveted and that playing a card you aren't entitled to cost somebody else a plum job that would have been used as a platform for every other academic success--your contacts, invitations to present, publications, future advancements. Harvard Must Set the Record Straight on Elizabeth Warren | RealClearPolitics

You seem to be saying that unless one physically dies, there is no real consequence. I can't fathom your trying to draw a comparison between Warren and your uncle's death in Vietnam. It's bizarre.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Lying is always sleazy. Do you see my lean? It's not "undisclosed." I'm a liberal because I believe in the environment, health care for all Americans, restoring the middle class and creating an equitable country for all Americans. I believe in the grandfather teachings of the Native Americans (that's just a coincidence). I've said on this forum before that it's an absolute shame that we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Warren is a Democrat through and through. I will never associate myself with a political party because the notion that I believe in everything that one party's platform says would mean I've been brainwashed.

But we do have to vote for the lesser of two evils. And in this case, there is no candidate running on the Democratic side that is less evil than Trump, who is 100% against protecting the environment, providing all Americans with health care, restoring the middle class and creating an equitable country for all Americans. I disagree with his positions on every issue that's very important to me. Do you take issue with anything I just said?

I think you typoed in the second paragraph. But I certainly like Bernie - who would get nothing done in his one term if by some miracle he were elected - and Yang and Gabbard.

Warren, on the other hand, is mega-sleaze.

Turbo Trumpahontas.

A complete & utter criminal phony.

 

[Mustachio]

Yes, I'm aware of Warren's academic background, even the University of Houston. Her accomplishments aren't at issue. And I guarantee you that I understand academia itself far better than you can even imagine, including how the decisions of hiring committees are made.

This doesn't have anything to do with the "right" or the "left" for me; it's about right and wrong and taking dishonorable and unfair advantage. And it's about cheating. Warren is a plagiarist. This is arguably the greatest of academic sins.

I don't need for you to give me an example of somebody who went to Vietnam and died or lived. :roll:

I even understand the difference between body death and career death. If you are unable to understand that positions at Harvard (and elsewhere, of course) are coveted and that playing a card you aren't entitled to cost somebody else a plum job that would have been used as a platform for every other academic success--your contacts, invitations to present, publications, future advancements. Harvard Must Set the Record Straight on Elizabeth Warren | RealClearPolitics

You seem to be saying that unless one physically dies, there is no real consequence. I can't fathom your trying to draw a comparison between Warren and your uncle's death in Vietnam. It's bizarre.

No my point is that Trump's past lies have been astronomically worse for people than Elizabeth Warren's single lie. And we're going to have to vote for bad or worse, in my opinion. It's bizarre that I'm trying to draw a comparison between Warren and my uncle's death in Vietnam? I wasn't, you took the logical line of debate between us and are editing it nicely to imply I'm making absurd claims. The appearance, correct or not, is that you want to avoid discussing Trump's lies at all costs, zeroing in on Warren's lie instead (I'm assuming she was lying for the sake of argument, we don't even know she was).

I said Warren's lies didn't hurt anybody, to which you replied:

But they did. You don't think there were equally talented and worthy candidates who didn't get the Harvard gig because they didn't have a minority card to play and Warren did?

So let's just ask a Harvard professor in response to you and the article from the author - who calls the current Democratic party the most radical in the history of the United States and claims their goal is to allow illegal immigrants to vote. Again, from someone in the know:

This stuff I hear that she was an affirmative action hire, got some kind of a boost, it is so ludicrous and so desperately stupid and ignorant, it just boggles the mind.

-Charles Fried, former US Solicitor General under Reagan and part of the committee that put Warren in a tenure position (credentials copied verbatim from Politifact)

There's no evidence her lie played a role in her hire. She started getting academic scholarships at the age of 16. Do you want to go after Harvard for hiring Elena Kagan because she was a woman? Weren't there men who were equally qualified to get the job? Think of the harm that caused! It's that word. Harm. So I'm glad that you have a problem with lying, cheating, and plagiarism. But what's your point? You obviously don't have proof Warren was chosen by Harvard for her "identity," just an opinion article written by an irrelevant extremist. There's a better candidate for President? I think Warren is the most qualified for the job. More so than Trump, whose entire persona is a lie. But you haven't said a word about Trump or any of his lies, so I don't know what to make of your position on that topic. I agree with Warren on many issues and think any lying/exaggeration in the past on the issue of her heritage are unfortunate and I'm glad she apologized for them. You have to give her credit for releasing the DNA results. She outed herself. I bet she'll even release her tax returns.

 

[Mustachio]

I think you typoed in the second paragraph. But I certainly like Bernie - who would get nothing done in his one term if by some miracle he were elected - and Yang and Gabbard.

Warren, on the other hand, is mega-sleaze.

Turbo Trumpahontas.

A complete & utter criminal phony.

Thank you for noticing that. Double negative too. I disagree with you on Warren and Gabbard, agree on Bernie and Yang.