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Daniel Pantaleo officer who killed Eric Garner is fired from the NYPD

ElChupacabra said:
Mmhmm. So he had enough breath to express his difficulty breathing due to the chokehold. Do you think that was the cue to ease up on someone who was already down?
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What Garner died from was positional asphyxia. It's more likely that the prone position, along with the pressure on his chest were the cause, than the "chokehold".

If Garner was being choked to the point of suffocation, he wouldn't have been able to talk and therefore unable to say "I can't breathe" and he would have died quicker.
 
RedSunRising said:
He murdered a defenseless man on a sidewalk for selling cigarettes. He should be in prison.
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I don't think you know what the word "murder" means, as evidenced by this ridiculous comment.
 
apdst said:
Murder is an intentional act. Garner's death was an accident; an accident that Garner is partly responsible for.
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Garner didn't choke himself. Panteleo's illegal choke-hold was an intentional act that directly led to Garner's death.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Garner didn't choke himself. Panteleo's illegal choke-hold was an intentional act that directly led to Garner's death.
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Garner would have died without the "choke-hold".
 
RedAkston said:
I don't think you know what the word "murder" means, as evidenced by this ridiculous comment.
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Yeah, it's far more along the lines manslaughter.
 
apdst said:
What Garner died from was positional asphyxia. It's more likely that the prone position, along with the pressure on his chest were the cause, than the "chokehold".

If Garner was being choked to the point of suffocation, he wouldn't have been able to talk and therefore unable to say "I can't breathe" and he would have died quicker.
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What are cops supposed to do with a guy that big?
 
apdst said:
Garner would have died without the "choke-hold".
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No he wouldn't have died if Panteleo hadn't applied that choke-hold. That was what precipitated his death without a doubt.
 
Atomic Kid said:
No he wouldn't have died if Panteleo hadn't applied that choke-hold. That was what precipitated his death without a doubt.
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Yes he would've. The ME's findings prove that.
 
RedSunRising said:
Right. Just like women who get raped asked for it.
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Comparing victims of rape to Eric Garner, a career criminal, is an insult.

Shame on you.
 
chuckiechan said:
What are cops supposed to do with a guy that big?
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There were plenty enough cops there to deal with him and he was keeping both of his arms extended upward. He wasn't swinging at or grabbing at any of them.
 
apdst said:
Yes he would've. The ME's findings prove that.
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No he wouldn't have. The stress and the trauma of the attack by Pantaleo, which has been shown to cause death in previous cases, which led to it being outlawed, continued despite Mr Garner's desperate pleas that he couldn't breathe and that is what led to his death.
 
RedAkston said:
That would be a better argument than murder.
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The way I see it, there are two categories of these incidents.

1. Incidents where thugs are simply given their due for fighting police and endangering others. Michael Brown is a classic example of that. He wasn't an innocent sweetboy. He was a thieving douche, who beat-up and robbed a Pakistani store owner. When he got caught, he should have given up, but he tried to take a cops gun, and he ended up paying the price for it.

2. Incidents where the police recklessly react to a perceived "threat" and kill people. Philando Castle is an example of someone who informed police of his possession of a firearm, and was killed because the officer had no idea what he was doing. It was outrageous the cop walked away from that.

Both BLM activists need to stop defending citizens who bring police force upon themselves, and police culture MUST stop defending reckless and out of control officers.

I always say "the tape and/or medical report will tell the story".
 
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apdst said:
Would you want Eric Garner to own a gun?
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Why not? Please explain. He wasnt even committing a felony, nor any violent crime.
 
trixare4kids said:
I'm almost certain that leftists believe the American people haven't a right to self-defend.
That's why they want our guns...
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The implication that Eric Garner was a danger to society is absurd.
 
apdst said:
Garner's cause of death was:

Not "choked to death".
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Coroner's report: compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police"

Which of those words do you need a dictionary for? In case you were wondering, a coroner's report describes the way someone was killed. He literally wrote choke hold and its consequences.:doh
 
apdst said:
If he was talking, he was breathing. It's impossible to talk, if you can't breathe.
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Yes, that's why, in first aid, we dont try to stop the bleeding. Because we know that you stop bleeding when you die. :doh

The depths of ignorance on your part are mind-boggling.
 
apdst said:
The medical examiner's report doesn't say "choked to death". It lists multiple factors.
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A coroner uses the proper, specific medical terminology, not your oversimplification. Someone can choke to death on a marble. The coroner specified *choke hold.* :damn
 
apdst said:
What Garner died from was positional asphyxia. It's more likely that the prone position, along with the pressure on his chest were the cause, than the "chokehold".

If Garner was being choked to the point of suffocation, he wouldn't have been able to talk and therefore unable to say "I can't breathe" and he would have died quicker.
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And yet...where did the ME or coroner write that Dr?

He was able to speak while being choked to death...until he suffocated and died.:sinking:
 
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RedAkston said:
I don't think you know what the word "murder" means, as evidenced by this ridiculous comment.
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Can't you troll someone else for a minute? Premeditation is a stretch, sure, but Garner's killing was most definitely unlawful.
 
RedSunRising said:
Insulting a man who was murdered on a sidewalk by a psychotic cop is disgraceful.

Shame on you.
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Calling the cop psychotic doesn't bolster your argument.

Shame on you.
 
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