White Nationalist Arrested for Alleged Threat Against Ohio Jewish Community Center

[ElChupacabra]

Deny freedom first; once the alleged thought criminal's life is destroyed, leave it to a third party eager to demonstrate they're tough on wordcrime to determine what further punishment should adhere to his pre-crimes and other troubling conduct.

:hm

So should we just let this slide and accept the outcome should that individual carry out the threat? If people choose to make threats in public, then there will be a consequence to that because we're at a point where we can no longer accept that risk.

 

[Nickyjo]

Deny freedom first; once the alleged thought criminal's life is destroyed, leave it to a third party eager to demonstrate they're tough on wordcrime to determine what further punishment should adhere to his pre-crimes and other troubling conduct.

:hm

As far as I know, the guy published a fairly specific threat against a particular Jewish institution, a threat that involved taking lives. Seems from his posts and language his life was already on its way to being destroyed. Maybe this will help him, but that's not the purpose for taking him into custody. If I am a member of that Jewish Community Center, you bet I want him arrested. Free speech has limits, and there were particular charges of menacing. If those laws are ruled unconstitutional or not to apply to his actions (not his thoughts), so be it.

If you want to move in next door to the guy, go ahead. Make sure your name doesn't sound Jewish.

 

[3leftsdoo]

**** all nazis.

The dead and people in their nineties?

Should those with *impure* hearts and minds and thoughts and words be denied their rights?

A sick little man with a Chaplin mustache believed so; he believed that only the *pure* should prevail.

He believed that the mentally ill should be imprisoned and disposed of.

Are we on that road again?

:hm

 

[3leftsdoo]

Ok, but if this was considered a “credible threat” then why did law enforcement wait over a month to do something about it?

Liberal hysteria wasn't at the proper pitch yet.

 

[3leftsdoo]

So should we just let this slide and accept the outcome should that individual carry out the threat? If people choose to make threats in public, then there will be a consequence to that because we're at a point where we can no longer accept that risk.

What percentage of people who discuss violence commit violence? Did he make threats; public threats?

The risk of presumed innocence is too great; lives must be destroyed.

Pre-crime is real.

:hm

 

[3leftsdoo]

I guess that it's good for everyone that you aren't involved in either law enforcement or national security.

Asked but not answered I see.

What is a "credible threat?"

 

[3leftsdoo]

As far as I know, the guy published a fairly specific threat against a particular Jewish institution, a threat that involved taking lives. Seems from his posts and language his life was already on its way to being destroyed. Maybe this will help him, but that's not the purpose for taking him into custody. If I am a member of that Jewish Community Center, you bet I want him arrested. Free speech has limits, and there were particular charges of menacing. If those laws are ruled unconstitutional or not to apply to his actions (not his thoughts), so be it.

If you want to move in next door to the guy, go ahead. Make sure your name doesn't sound Jewish.

Did he? Arresting someone is generally not helping them - it is generally destroying them. Pre-crime is real crime. Were they justified? Destroy the life first; presume guilt; brand with the scarlet letter - the Constitution supports all of this?

Bizarre comment. Ditto.

:hm

 

[AProudLefty]

If someone uses a picture of the President of the United States of America as a dartboard (and that gets reported) then the dartboard owner gets "visited" by law enforcement officers.

If someone says something like "Donald Trump should be assassinated." (and that gets reported) then the person who says it gets "visited" by law enforcement officers.

I doubt they'll get visited for something so mundane.

 

[Helix]

The dead and people in their nineties?

Should those with *impure* hearts and minds and thoughts and words be denied their rights?

A sick little man with a Chaplin mustache believed so; he believed that only the *pure* should prevail.

He believed that the mentally ill should be imprisoned and disposed of.

Are we on that road again?

:hm

I'm not sure what's confusing about "**** all nazis." However, if you are confused, I'm content to let you remain so.

 

[Hatuey]

You can tell who is triggered by the neo-nazi being questioned for being crazy.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.

 

[Waddy]

CBS, Channel 12, cincinnati just interviewed a LE expert named Paul Viollis and he noted that most of the active shooters had made on line or social media threats prior to their rampages but 54% of those who read these threats don't report them and that is what really needs to change

I doubt that the kind of people who would be alarmed by these social media postings are seeing these online. I suspect they are almost universally followed by like minded people, who have no intention of turning in one of their own.

 

[AProudLefty]

What in Hell is a "credible threat?"

The term credible threat means a threat that is “ real and immediate, not conjectural or hypothetical.” Kegler v. United States DOJ, 436 F. Supp. 2d 1204, 1212 (D. Wyo. 2006)

 

[ElChupacabra]

What percentage of people who discuss violence commit violence? Did he make threats; public threats?

The risk of presumed innocence is too great; lives must be destroyed.

Pre-crime is real.

:hm

The thing is he posted the video on social media, and for as much as people think it is private, it is not because people within your circle can share that information. In this particular case he posted a video of himself firing weapons and making references to the shooter being him. I get your point about pre-crime, but this is a person making themselves a target by threatening people; a conscious decision to go relatively public with his threats. The video shows he is armed and has a specific target in mind.

 

[Nickyjo]

Did he? Arresting someone is generally not helping them - it is generally destroying them. Pre-crime is real crime. Were they justified? Destroy the life first; presume guilt; brand with the scarlet letter - the Constitution supports all of this?

Bizarre comment. Ditto.

:hm

Let me get this straight, this guy threatens a particular Jewish institution, apparently mimics shooting up the place, as has been done recently, and you would do nothing? This wasn't driving while black. He suggested in his post that he would be identified as the shooter in an upcoming incident. Arrested for menacing and harassment. Apparently the Jewish community is greatful to the police for their action. I withdraw my comments should the ACLU take up the case, as they did with the Nazi marchers some years ago, or if the menacing and harassment laws are found not to apply or are judged unconstitutional.

And yes, Bobby Kennedy had a point in the video posted. But don't think he would have applied it to Sirhan Sirhan had the latter published a newsletter talking about killing him.

 

[Herkamer63]

Another racist, in the closet Leftist arrested for threatening a Jewish community... what else is new? The only thing that would make this newsworthy is if Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar were openly outraged over the arrest of this guy because they're both anti-Semitic Congresswomen and would love nothing more than a bunch of Jews being shot dead. But we didn't get that, so we just have to settle for this. Good for the police on nabbing this guy and preventing a terrible atrocity.

 

[MTAtech]

The Thoughtcrime Era has arrived.

R.I.P. Freedom of Speech

1789 - 2019

:hm

Making threats is not constitutionally protected free speech. If you have a problem with that, complain to Oliver Wendell Holmes.

 

[Napoleon]

The term credible threat means a threat that is “ real and immediate, not conjectural or hypothetical.” Kegler v. United States DOJ, 436 F. Supp. 2d 1204, 1212 (D. Wyo. 2006)

Real and immediate. So why did over a month elapse between the post and the time the police deemed it a credible threat?

 

[3leftsdoo]

I'm not sure what's confusing about "**** all nazis." However, if you are confused, I'm content to let you remain so.

The dead and those in their nineties; gottit. :thumbs:

 

[3leftsdoo]

You can tell who is triggered by the neo-nazi being questioned for being crazy.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.

Indeed.

 

[3leftsdoo]

The term credible threat means a threat that is “ real and immediate, not conjectural or hypothetical.” Kegler v. United States DOJ, 436 F. Supp. 2d 1204, 1212 (D. Wyo. 2006)

Thanks.

Were his comments credible threats?

How many people discuss violence & then commit violent acts; what percentage?

 

[3leftsdoo]

The thing is he posted the video on social media, and for as much as people think it is private, it is not because people within your circle can share that information. In this particular case he posted a video of himself firing weapons and making references to the shooter being him. I get your point about pre-crime, but this is a person making themselves a target by threatening people; a conscious decision to go relatively public with his threats. The video shows he is armed and has a specific target in mind.

I appreciate your comments, and feel that some form of welfare check MAY have been in order.

What actually occurred is horrendous.

:hm

 

[AProudLefty]

Thanks.

Were his comments credible threats?

How many people discuss violence & then commit violent acts; what percentage?

"James Patrick Reardon, 20, a self-identified white nationalist, posted a video to Instagram on July 11, which led to his arrest, according to NBC News affiliate WFMJ.
The video shows Reardon firing a gun along with the caption, "Police identified the Youngstown Jewish Family Community shooter as white nationalist Seamus O'Reardon." Reardon's online pseudonym is "I-R-A Seamus."

"The Youngstown Police Department and the FBI searched the home of Reardon's mother in New Middletown, Ohio, and confiscated two AR-15s, a rifle with a bayonet, a .40 caliber anti-tank gun, knives, a gas mask, a bulletproof vest, several magazines and 223 rounds of ammunition, WFMJ reported.
Reardon's online history was also being searched."

I don't know the stats but we could find that out on the FBI website.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Let me get this straight, this guy threatens a particular Jewish institution, apparently mimics shooting up the place, as has been done recently, and you would do nothing? This wasn't driving while black. He suggested in his post that he would be identified as the shooter in an upcoming incident. Arrested for menacing and harassment. Apparently the Jewish community is greatful to the police for their action. I withdraw my comments should the ACLU take up the case, as they did with the Nazi marchers some years ago, or if the menacing and harassment laws are found not to apply or are judged unconstitutional.

And yes, Bobby Kennedy had a point in the video posted. But don't think he would have applied it to Sirhan Sirhan had the latter published a newsletter talking about killing him.

I would not destroy someone's life over speech, no. What? He "suggested" something? (Sounds like pre-crime to me...) Who did he menace and harass? Shockingly irrelevant. Destroy the life now, reconsider that destruction later. :thumbs:

Indeed. Who can say - Bobby was a ruthless monster, but quite charming.

 

[AProudLefty]

Real and immediate. So why did over a month elapse between the post and the time the police deemed it a credible threat?

I didn't know about that and I have no idea. Maybe to investigate further to make sure? Americans have Constitutional rights.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Another racist, in the closet Leftist arrested for threatening a Jewish community... what else is new? The only thing that would make this newsworthy is if Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar were openly outraged over the arrest of this guy because they're both anti-Semitic Congresswomen and would love nothing more than a bunch of Jews being shot dead. But we didn't get that, so we just have to settle for this. Good for the police on nabbing this guy and preventing a terrible atrocity.

Pre-crime is REAL crime!

:hm