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Manc Skipper said:
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Thank you for lending credence to my claim.
 
Mason66 said:
Meat eaters do tend to be bigger than Soy boys.
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Not to mention the fact that screeching at the top of your lungs at conservatives on message boards. Doesn't equate to actually working out and maintaining your general, physical health. Especially when it's done from the damp safety of a mothers basement.
 
Lord of Planar said:
But that's what the liberal propaganda charlatans tell them.
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Frankly speaking, when it comes to public representation. The proud boys are going to lose in most respects.
The media keeps trying to portray them as some sort of alt-right group, and when they get attacked by anyone on the left. They'll most likely get the brunt of the medias attempts in shaming in most cases.
 
Geoist said:
Can you explain how their beliefs are any different from the KKK?
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They're not a racist organization if that is what you're asking.
They don't promote themselves along the same line as the KKK either.

Can you show me something that you believe makes them the same as the KKK?

Because you may be thinking of something that isn't even related to them.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Interesting.

Thank you for sharing.

I won't be joining, but sounds a lot less sleazy/dangerous than, say, the Democrat Party.

That thing is a criminal gang.
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I have no issue with admitting that there can be bad people in the proud boys organization. Such is an issue you'll come across with basically any other group.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Well, triggering alt-leftists anyway.

They're the neo-Nazis of the left, and no more representative of the left than out-of-the-closet neo-Nazis represent the right's values.

But alt-lefties see themselves in neo-Nazis, hence the rage and violence they perpetrate.

Takes a fascist to know one & all that.

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Kind of shines a light on the issue of when those on the left say that some of the things Trumps says are racist dog whistles. Yet they seem to be the only ones that can actually hear them... quite a revealing moment for them I see.
 
JMR said:
I have read that Proud Boys are "fraternity" like, including hazing. How did yours go? Quite violent? You got your tattoo? Or are you just hanging about the edges?

I think you are selling a line of bs here, maybe someone is buying it.
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There is no actual hazing, and no one is required to get a tattoo. The only ones who actually practice such standards, are those that are actually in a college fraternity to begin with, or have clung to such after leaving college.

I'm happy to report that my stay at Pepperdine, did not involve such things.

Same for some outlying cases, any event that the proud participate in have been lawful, and peaceful. That is unless you have someone who repeatedly attempts to attack them, and then normal human events seem to follow.
 
madasheck said:
Yeah, ignore the jerk carrying the sign saying "Feminism is cancer."
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So, given what the movement has turned into, I'd have to agree with him.

I still don't see him getting in anyone else's face, and screaming at them. Not to mention the other man has a sign that suggest aborting "adults" which depending on how you look at it, is him advocating for murder.

Feminism is cancer/Advocating for murder..... those scales don't actually balance very well.
 
Anthony60 said:
I probably know less about the Proud Boys than I do about antifa. Were there swastikas on display? Do they wear Nazi uniforms?
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Well it is a neo-nazi group. And what self-respecting neo-nazi group would be without a uniform? It's not quite vintage Nazi Germany. But you kind of get the idea.

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Ikari said:
I get it, partisans cannot distinguish down the line of left/right wing behavior. So somehow saying that fascism is a right-wing ideology (since it is) is an attack on American conservatives or some nonsense. Plus the desire to attack the other side makes it so that one has to lie and twist reality to make it what they want it to be.

No amount of delusion turns fascism away from being a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism. You can tilt at every windmill from here to the moon, but it won't change facts. But I can see this is as fruitful as trying to tell a flat-earther that the earth is spherical. lol

So have at your delusions.
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Seeing as though White House spokesperson KelleyAnne Conway was kind enough to introduce us to the concept of "alternate facts". Why not throw in some 'alternate history'as well. Cause remember now. Rudy even told us that "truth isn't truth".
 
Atomic Kid said:
Well it is a neo-nazi group. And what self-respecting neo-nazi group would be without a uniform? It's not quite vintage Nazi Germany. But you kind of get the idea.

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What about that picture tells you they are Nazis Neo or otherwise, other than the color of their skin?
 
Jay59 said:
Really. Quote the passage. I did not see it. A lot of things like anti-corporate and universal health care if there are fewer people, but nothing on Jews.
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I'm going to assume you aren't familiar with the Great Replacement theory. It's all antisemitic drivel, usually masked with nice neutral words like "globalists" in place of Jews, and it's the near-exclusive purview of white supremacists in the far right.
 
Ikari said:
Why is your political ideology so fragile that it cannot handle the truth of other extreme ideologies that may be further down the line from your own?
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That is something I would've posted about you. To get to the truth, BS has to be cleared away...Your BS that Mussolini and Hitler were right-winged, for example. You need to, at least, read history before you demagogue the other political side.
 
Ikari said:
Why is your political ideology so fragile that it cannot handle the truth of other extreme ideologies that may be further down the line from your own?
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Anthony60 said:
Far left, far right... what does it matter? Both are anti freedom and want government controlling everything.


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But Ikari would say Trump is far right.:lamo At least, one needs to determine what is far-left and what is far-right.
 
Ikari said:
I'm not arguing with that. Commie or fascist, the results are the same in my book. But some folk are having a hard time accepting that fascism is an extreme right-wing ideology.
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Some are confused (demagogic) with the definition of fascism, like you.
 
vanceen said:
Some questions to consider when discussing whether fascism is "left" or "right":

1. What is the definition of "fascism"?
2. What is the definition of "left"?
3. What is the definition of "right"?
4. Why is it important to establish whether fascism is "left" or "right"?

Without starting there, we might as well argue whether "gree-gree" is of the "foo-boo".
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"Gree-gree is of the foo-boo?" The rest I agree with. Who cares where fascism resides? Only that fascism is rooted out. Besides, fascism resides everywhere. Some fascism is quite ironic like ANTIFA, for example.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I don't man, if I had a rally, and some despicable human beings like The Proud Boys were rallying outside, I think I would point out that those scumbags didn't have anything to do with me, and that I didn't want their support.
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So, where is your vilification for ANTIFA on this thread? I realize that would be off topic but that is exactly what you are demanding Trump do at his political rallies...be off topic.
 
cabse5 said:
So, where is your vilification for ANTIFA on this thread? I realize that would be off topic but that is exactly what you are demanding Trump do at his political rallies...be off topic.
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I did say that the ANTIFA bunch was no good in the thread. However, only a racists would falsely equate ANTIFA with white supremacists when you consider that in the last 25 years, white supremacists are responsible for exponentially more deaths and injuries in this country than groups like ANTIFA.
 
bomberfox said:
Actually he tied his hatred of marxism and bolshevism with his antisemitism. To Hitler, marxism and “cultural bolshevism” were jewish plots.
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Hitler also nationalized many industries some for the war effort and some not. Yeah, nationalizing industries is an entirely right-winged ploy.:lamo Most definitely an ultra right-winged ploy:2rofll::2dancing:
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I did say that the ANTIFA bunch was no good in the thread. However, only a racists would falsely equate ANTIFA with white supremacists when you consider that in the last 25 years, white supremacists are responsible for exponentially more deaths and injuries in this country than groups like ANTIFA.
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ANTIFA is entirely made up of white juveniles. Why can't one consider ANTIFA racist? That's how you determine racism. EDIT: And who is equating ANTIFA with white supremacists? They play the same game. They're not on the same team. They're on opposite teams. Would you equate Iowa State with Iowa in football, for example?
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I did say that the ANTIFA bunch was no good in the thread. However, only a racists would falsely equate ANTIFA with white supremacists when you consider that in the last 25 years, white supremacists are responsible for exponentially more deaths and injuries in this country than groups like ANTIFA.
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Leftist organizations and groups are way more responsible for death and destruction throughout history and throughout the world than rightist organizations. Way to cherry pick stats. You'll make an excellent climate change modelist someday.
 
cabse5 said:
Leftist organizations and groups are way more responsible for death and destruction throughout history and throughout the world than rightist organizations. Way to cherry pick stats. You'll make an excellent climate change modelist someday.
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No, no, no we are not doing that. It's not cherry picking stats to say that white supremacist groups are far and away the biggest source of domestic terrorism in the United States. That is not even remotely disputable.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
No, no, no we are not doing that. It's not cherry picking stats to say that white supremacist groups are far and away the biggest source of domestic terrorism in the United States. That is not even remotely disputable.
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Why do you use the stat when it isn't even relevant when it comes to death and destruction? And why are you trying to show the propensity of one side of the political spectrum versus the other side of the political spectrum?...For demagoguery.
 
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