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13 arrested, 4 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police

NWRatCon said:
Is that an admission that you are just trolling? [Yeah, I think it was] Most people just roll their eyes when they see someone spout the kind of deceptive propaganda you've posted, but ignoring is also a valid response. "Proud Boys aren't neo-nazis"... yeah, right. No, really, really far far right.
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Seeing as I've not been shown any evidence to the contrary, and every time I ask for it. The poster making such claims just scampers off like a roach when the lights come on.

I'm not surprised that any of them actually run. If most of all that they do is deride, and demean. Then it's no surprise that they lack any real spine whatsoever.
 
Oborosen said:
I am a proud bow actually, as of 2017.

So do you mind showing me where it can be found in any of their information, that encouraging political violence, is actually their mission?
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one of Gavin's proud boy toys more like :lamo
 
Acadia said:
Or ignoring them and not giving them any oxygen. They crave attention and all Antifa does is wind up legitimizing these creeps. If the Left had any discipline whatsoever, they'd refrain from joining in and let these far-right groups walk around the streets looking like the idiots they are.
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That doesnt work. We tried your methods already.
 
DiAnna said:
Not the same groups; Berkeley group... almost all west coast groups... are just plain anarchists; like to make trouble, attack any government entity available because, duh, "yay anarchy!" They don't really "stand" for anything.

The ones in Charlottesville are actually, duh, anti-nazi, anti-white supremacist, anti-fascists, and what I saw was them place themselves between the tiki torches and the civilian counter protesters, preventing the nazi/Jew-hating scum from attacking those civilians.
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Humm guess i was wrong about Berkely and i agree with your take on Charlottesville.
 
nota bene said:
From ABC News:

...as the day progressed, tensions seemed to be mounting. At around 4:30 p.m. local time, and the Portland Police tweeted, that "Police are having plastic water bottles thrown at them as they are making an arrest on SW Yamhill and Park." After that, police began advising people to clear the streets or face arrest.

"Police are advising this is now a civil disturbance. Crowd needs to leave the area and go Northbound on Park or any direction eastbound. This means everyone," Portland Police tweeted.

The city has been bracing for several militant right-wing groups to arrive in the city, along with scores of counter-protesters.

Enrique Tarrio, national head of the Proud Boys, who describe themselves as an all-male "western chauvinist" group, and former InfoWars personality Joe Biggs, organized the “End Domestic Terrorism” rally on Saturday that started at 11 a.m. local time. Initially, the crowds moved in slowly, and were met by a heavy police presence, in which local police were bolstered by more than a dozen other law enforcement agencies. 4 arrested, 1 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police - ABC News

This is all so juvenile. And West Side Story-ish. And dangerous.
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WEST SIDE STORY had better dancing and choreography.
 
Interesting how the right wing always gets blamed for left wing violence.
 
bomberfox said:
That doesnt work. We tried your methods already.
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Can you give examples of where neo-Nazi groups have grown because the media didn't cover them? Realizing that the 24/7 news cycle is relatively new and social media even newer.

When I look at The Proud Boys declaring victory because Antifa drew Trump's attention once again, seems to me like TPB played the game according to the new rules. They show up and like clockwork, Antifa is right there with their anarchy, violence and destruction.

While TPB and their ilk are repugnant, the whole "anti-hero" thing with Antifa has worn out its welcome and frankly, from what I saw reported yesterday, Antifa were the dangerous and violent side yesterday. All TPBs need to do is show up with American flags, flash their little "white power" sign and do some Nazi-like chants and Antifa's antics are set in motion.

Perhaps not being a foregone conclusion would throw off these far-right groups who would just be standing around talking to themselves if Antifa didn't show up.
I mean, anyone with eyes can see it's the titillating anticipation of the clash that gets the media there and what looked to be at least half of those present there whipping out their cameras and posting on social media. They're just waiting for the fireworks to start.
 
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Sheepdog said:
Interesting how the right wing always gets blamed for left wing violence.
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It reminds me of smoking getting blamed for lung cancer. They never have pulled a much as one cigarette from anybodies cancerous lung to this day. :doh:roll:
 
haymarket said:
It reminds me of smoking getting blamed for lung cancer. They never have pulled a much as one cigarette from anybodies cancerous lung to this day.
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That is because you inhale the smoke not the cigarette.
 
nota bene said:
From ABC News:

...as the day progressed, tensions seemed to be mounting. At around 4:30 p.m. local time, and the Portland Police tweeted, that "Police are having plastic water bottles thrown at them as they are making an arrest on SW Yamhill and Park." After that, police began advising people to clear the streets or face arrest.

"Police are advising this is now a civil disturbance. Crowd needs to leave the area and go Northbound on Park or any direction eastbound. This means everyone," Portland Police tweeted.

The city has been bracing for several militant right-wing groups to arrive in the city, along with scores of counter-protesters.

Enrique Tarrio, national head of the Proud Boys, who describe themselves as an all-male "western chauvinist" group, and former InfoWars personality Joe Biggs, organized the “End Domestic Terrorism” rally on Saturday that started at 11 a.m. local time. Initially, the crowds moved in slowly, and were met by a heavy police presence, in which local police were bolstered by more than a dozen other law enforcement agencies. 4 arrested, 1 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police - ABC News

This is all so juvenile. And West Side Story-ish. And dangerous.
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Agreed.

And I'm not sure what the end game is for Portland by allowing Antifa to control their streets.
 
Anthony60 said:
So, you support the opposition suppressing free speech? It's funny, you wish that these people were around to stop Hitler. They'd be supporting him.
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Who said anything about suppressing free speech? I said fight them.

Or am I supposed to think the folks from the right were there to hand out flowers? They want to agitate people into a street fight, so I say don't disappoint them. Fight fire with fire.
 
Right wing holds rally

Left wing shows up and starts a bunch of violence

News headline: VIOLENCE ERUPTS AT RIGHT WING RALLY TONIGHT!!!


I wonder who the uninformed sheep will blame for the violence. :roll:
 
Lovebug said:
Hate begets hate, violence begets violence. We can't ask for a sit down? We can't ignore? We must answer hatred with more hatred? We must answer violence with more violence? Who's the "bigger man"? The one who walks away or the one who struts his imaginary stuff?
What about innocent bystanders? What about people who are caught in the middle? What is so important that you have to be there to thump your chest? Are you sure that's the solution? Are you sure yelling at the top of your lungs will reach hearts?
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In general I do not promote violence as a solution. However, these folks on the right are looking for violence. They are full of hatred. Knowing a bit about history, these people are like hitler, they hate. So to just let them walk around spreading their hateful rhetoric and do nothing, that's what led to hitler trying to exterminate the jews. So I'm happy to see people stand up to the hate mongers and let them know they are not welcome in america.
 
I guess Trump's tweets yesterday, and the proud boys reply to their leader in the WH removes ALL doubts that when he said 'there are fine people on both sides' that he 100% meant the Nazis and White Nationalists were 'fine people'.

These 'fine racist violent right wing people' love their fellow racist in the WH..
 
HumblePi said:
If citizens came out to 'fight Hitler and his coalition' they would have been murdered, end of that story. Domestic terrorism are acts committed against other citizens. Did killing a 82 year old woman or a six year old boy or slaughtering the young parents of an infant son in El Paso solve anything? Domestic terrorism doesn't solve anything because it's not addressing the root cause of any problems. It's just random terrorist activity killing innocent people without reaching any resolutions. It's only venting anger against other American citizens that the terrorist just doesn't like or share political views with.

Domestic terrorism is pointless and senseless and wouldn't have done a damn thing in Nazi Germany to stop Adolf Hitler.
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Maybe I'm not making myself clear? I'm talking about if the average german citizen stood up and said to hitler, hell no you can't do this to our jewish neighbors, he would have never turned into the madman dictator he became. I'm saying the average america citizen to stand up against these domestic terrorist groups and say hell no you aren't welcome in america.
 
ocean515 said:
Agreed.

And I'm not sure what the end game is for Portland by allowing Antifa to control their streets.
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What's the end game for any Democrat-ruined, once-amazing city which they turn into (bleep)holes?
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I guess Trump's tweets yesterday, and the proud boys reply to their leader in the WH removes ALL doubts that when he said 'there are fine people on both sides' that he 100% meant the Nazis and White Nationalists were 'fine people'.

These 'fine racist violent right wing people' love their fellow racist in the WH..
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BS.

But nice spin.

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bongsaway said:
Maybe I'm not making myself clear? I'm talking about if the average german citizen stood up and said to hitler, hell no you can't do this to our jewish neighbors, he would have never turned into the madman dictator he became. I'm saying the average america citizen to stand up against these domestic terrorist groups and say hell no you aren't welcome in america.
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Technically the germans did stand up to hitler before he was in power, the rotfront and antifa both tried to fight the nazi party, it literally backfired and gave hitler overall power, by exploiting the chaos and the peoples fear of disorder and anarchy, and he convinced the german govt if he had complete power he could restore law and order, which he did in an extremely brutal way.

Maybe people backing antifa should I don't know pick up a history book before they make such claims, because right now the average antifa backer making the same claims as you is utterly ignorant of history, and the fact antifa did actually try and stop nazis and to make it worse their attempt to fight them was what gave hitler power.


Also you need to google the literal definition of terrorism, I will give you a hint the groups antifa fought did not fall under the definition terrorism, however antifa did down to an exact definition.
 
bongsaway said:
Thankfully there are those who do show up to fight these right wing whatever you want to call them. Domestic terrorists is good with me. If only in the late twenties and early thirties people came out to fight hitler and his coalition the world would probably be a much better place today.
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Don't adapt the mindset of the proud boys. Those animals are thugs.
 
Acadia said:
What's the end game for any Democrat-ruined, once-amazing city which they turn into (bleep)holes?
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Exactly.

I don't get it. Been to Portland too many times to count. Mostly on business. But that was a number of years ago. It was always a bit quirky, and was definitely liberal, but why turn it into a pariah that few people would want to visit.
 
NeverTrump said:
We are not talking about that group though. They aren't in portland are they? We have a group who specifically went to portland to incite violence. Why are they even going to portland in the first place? Oh right to rile up liberals! Sure, most liberals won't go, but others will defend their city until the nazi scum leaves! I mean these are very simple concepts here. I seem to recall conservatives not liking other groups going into their rallies or their cities.
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This is what’s so wrong with you guys. You’re talking about “defending” your city from a specific thought. Since when does one need sticks and bear spray to “defend” against a thought? You people talk about ideas as if they are a physical danger.
 
DiAnna said:
YOU are the one who must prove or disprove such a claim. YOU are the one who proudly claims to be a member of the "Proud Boys". You are the one who "OWNS IT". Done here.
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You are demanding he prove or disprove a negative, can I safely say you beat your wife and it is your duty to disprove my claim rather than mine to prove it.
 
beerftw said:
Technically the germans did stand up to hitler before he was in power, the rotfront and antifa both tried to fight the nazi party, it literally backfired and gave hitler overall power, by exploiting the chaos and the peoples fear of disorder and anarchy, and he convinced the german govt if he had complete power he could restore law and order, which he did in an extremely brutal way.

Maybe people backing antifa should I don't know pick up a history book before they make such claims, because right now the average antifa backer making the same claims as you is utterly ignorant of history, and the fact antifa did actually try and stop nazis and to make it worse their attempt to fight them was what gave hitler power.


Also you need to google the literal definition of terrorism, I will give you a hint the groups antifa fought did not fall under the definition terrorism, however antifa did down to an exact definition.
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So the Nazi SA Brown Shirts were NOT terrorists?

Actually they fit the definition of terrorists to the letter.
 
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