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13 arrested, 4 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police

bongsaway said:
Thankfully there are those who do show up to fight these right wing whatever you want to call them. Domestic terrorists is good with me. If only in the late twenties and early thirties people came out to fight hitler and his coalition the world would probably be a much better place today.
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Alright, I'll bite.

Fight them for what exactly?
 
My nephew rode as an embedded reporter with the proud boys last year in Portland, pure racist scum.
 
Oborosen said:
Alright, I'll bite.

Fight them for what exactly?
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The spread of their ideology. Are you suggesting people do nothing while another group of people marches at night carrying torches and chanting jews will not replace us? That kind of freedom of speech I see like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.
 
Ikari said:
They're no better than AntiFa. As far as I'm concerned, the lot of those alt-left and alt-right bastards can be rounded up whenever they want to start a riot.
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This is probably true, but I am glad they have each other to fight. I hope everybody understands why it’s important to resist such right wing groups nonetheless. We don’t have to join Antifa for that,
 
Moot said:
Ah, I'm sure they are fine people....on both sides.

But that's not what Trump is saying now. White supremacists instigate the violence and Trump blames Antifa...




Day in and day out, Trump just keeps proving he's a white supremacist sympathizer.
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I missed the tweet where he considers naming Proud Boys an Organization of Terror.
 
nota bene said:
From ABC News:

...as the day progressed, tensions seemed to be mounting. At around 4:30 p.m. local time, and the Portland Police tweeted, that "Police are having plastic water bottles thrown at them as they are making an arrest on SW Yamhill and Park." After that, police began advising people to clear the streets or face arrest.

"Police are advising this is now a civil disturbance. Crowd needs to leave the area and go Northbound on Park or any direction eastbound. This means everyone," Portland Police tweeted.

The city has been bracing for several militant right-wing groups to arrive in the city, along with scores of counter-protesters.

Enrique Tarrio, national head of the Proud Boys, who describe themselves as an all-male "western chauvinist" group, and former InfoWars personality Joe Biggs, organized the “End Domestic Terrorism” rally on Saturday that started at 11 a.m. local time. Initially, the crowds moved in slowly, and were met by a heavy police presence, in which local police were bolstered by more than a dozen other law enforcement agencies. 4 arrested, 1 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police - ABC News

This is all so juvenile. And West Side Story-ish. And dangerous.
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"Those guys are ASSHOLES and we're going to show them up by being even BIGGER ASSHOLES than they are!!!"
 
NeverTrump said:
Actually the name means the opposite of what you are implying...
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They are terrorists regardless whatever else they call themselves. They need a boot to the neck.
 
bongsaway said:
The spread of their ideology. Are you suggesting people do nothing while another group of people marches at night carrying torches and chanting jews will not replace us? That kind of freedom of speech I see like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.
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Actually it's not like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.
marches at night carrying torches and chanting jews will not replace us
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You'd also need to somehow point out that this is what the proud boys are actually doing.

The problem here is that the proud boys are doing what they are legally allowed to do.
 
Oborosen said:
Actually it's not like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.

You'd also need to somehow point out that this is what the proud boys are actually doing.

The problem here is that the proud boys are doing what they are legally allowed to do.
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The Proud Boys encourage political violence. That is their mission. Odd organization to go to bat for, JMO.
 
JMR said:
The Proud Boys encourage political violence. That is their mission. Odd organization to go to bat for, JMO.
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It's going to bat for the Constitutional rights of Americans.
 
bongsaway said:
The spread of their ideology. Are you suggesting people do nothing while another group of people marches at night carrying torches and chanting jews will not replace us? That kind of freedom of speech I see like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.
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That is nothing like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. Freedom of Speech is there to protect exactly this kind of speech. Speech that most people find abhorrent.

As long as they don’t get violent they have every right to espouse whatever nonsense they like. And as long as you don’t get violent you have every right to call them on it.
 
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JMR said:
The Proud Boys encourage political violence. That is their mission. Odd organization to go to bat for, JMO.
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I am a proud bow actually, as of 2017.

So do you mind showing me where it can be found in any of their information, that encouraging political violence, is actually their mission?
 
JMR said:
The Proud Boys encourage political violence. That is their mission. Odd organization to go to bat for, JMO.
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Unless they were inciting violence at this particular rally what they encourage otherwise really isn’t relevant.
 
Oborosen said:
I am a proud bow actually, as of 2017.

So do you mind showing me where it can be found in any of their information, that encouraging political violence, is actually their mission?
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Wow....proud to be a proud boy....mind boggling.

I don't read "their" literature... Only the research and news reports of their activities. Fake news, I'm sure. :roll:

Perhaps you can share their literature on the philanthropic nature of their organization.
 
SLC said:
And possibly the Nazis would not be there if Antifa wan't there. A pox on both their houses.
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There are no good guys with white hats in these situations.
 
bongsaway said:
The spread of their ideology. Are you suggesting people do nothing while another group of people marches at night carrying torches and chanting jews will not replace us? That kind of freedom of speech I see like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater.
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It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote - The Atlantic

In 1969, the Supreme Court's decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio effectively overturned Schenck and any authority the case still carried. There, the Court held that inflammatory speech--and even speech advocating violence by members of the Ku Klux Klan--is protected under the First Amendment, unless the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action"

now you can't stop using the flawed fire in a theater. that decision was overturned.
 
Acadia said:
There are no good guys with white hats in these situations.
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nor are there good guys in black masks.

neither group is good both are bad and both need to be pushed back on by the rest of us.
the fact that both are being treated equally by thee president is a good thing.


he should be applauded for not giving leverage to either group and condemning both of them.
 
NeverTrump said:
Actually the name means the opposite of what you are implying...
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Hence the word ironic. The name says the opposite of what it is, as their actions have proven again and again.

I give them this much. These are brownshirts, not storm troopers.
 
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