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[W:711] 2/3rds of Americans want an assault weapons ban

Lutherf said:
95% of the public have never seen an informed, public debate on the subject. Let's try that and see what the numbers show afterward.
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madman said:
They dont need to see a debate to understand that people with guns kill.
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Madman's response is a perfect illustration of Lutherf's point.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Anything other than a shotgun, bolt action rifle or a pistol should be banned. Simple. Easy. Done.
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I have to wonder are you trying to help your cause by telling idiots who push for assault weapons ban to stop playing with words and push for the ban of semi automatic weapons, or do you just string it along and agree with them, ya ban assault weapons, because you know you'll get your political way in the end through dumb people?
 
iguanaman said:
Whatever works to keep these military weapons out of mass shooters hands. The Dayton shooter shot 27 people in less than a minute with his AR15



Assault Weapons | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
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#1 They aren't military weapons, they are civilian semi-automatic rifles. Military weapons are select fire weapons that are already banned.

#2 The law doesn't prevent anything other than the shooter missing out on various ergonomic or safety features. A semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip or telescoping stock has the exact same fire rate and lethality of a semi-automatic rifle that doesn't. Basically the law you posted simply makes the gun less comfortable for him to use (assuming he doesn't simply install an aftermarket part after purchasing the weapon). This is why the Pro2a people get so frustrated with the anti gun people, they literally have zero knowledge about what they are talking about and yet want us to go along with their ridiculous proposals. This would be the equivalent of trying to argue climate change with Trump, you can't expect to have a reasonable debate over an issue when one side is woefully ignorant about the subject.
 
Nap said:
And that does nothing to prevent mass shootings or gun violence in anyway.
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The 90s assault weapons ban did not ban large capacity magazines either, just certain large feeding devices. You could still go buy a 20 round magazine in the 90's
 
Nap said:
#1 They aren't military weapons, they are civilian semi-automatic rifles. Military weapons are select fire weapons that are already banned.

#2 The law doesn't prevent anything other than the shooter missing out on various ergonomic or safety features. A semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip or telescoping stock has the exact same fire rate and lethality of a semi-automatic rifle that doesn't. Basically the law you posted simply makes the gun less comfortable for him to use (assuming he doesn't simply install an aftermarket part after purchasing the weapon). This is why the Pro2a people get so frustrated with the anti gun people, they literally have zero knowledge about what they are talking about and yet want us to go along with their ridiculous proposals. This would be the equivalent of trying to argue climate change with Trump, you can't expect to have a reasonable debate over an issue when one side is woefully ignorant about the subject.
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#1 Wrong: You have conflated the term "military weapon" with "assault rifle." The popular M1 Garand was a military weapon which was a semiautomatic rifle, and it was not a select fire weapon (M1 Garand - Wikipedia).

#2 When pro-gun control people use the term "assault weapon," they refer to the definition of assault weapon as it was in the 1994 assault weapon ban law which is quite more complicated that how you present it.
Here is the text of that law

Text - H.R.3355 - 103rd Congress (1993-1994): Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--
``(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
firearms in any caliber, known as--
``(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
Kalashnikovs (all models);
``(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and
Galil;
``(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
``(iv) Colt AR-15;
``(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
``(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
``(vii) Steyr AUG;
``(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
``(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to)
the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
``(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a
detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
``(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
``(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;
``(iii) a bayonet mount;
``(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to
accommodate a flash suppressor; and
``(v) a grenade launcher;
``(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a
detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
``(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol
outside of the pistol grip;
``(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel
extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
``(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or
completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter
to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being
burned;
``(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the
pistol is unloaded; and
``(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
``(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--
``(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
``(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;
``(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds;
and
``(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.''.
 
Casper said:
The House gun control bill contains no AR ban, are you blaming the Senate for not adding a ban?
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Oh there will be a bill coming from the House soon. We will see if it gets a vote.
 
chuckiechan said:
Assault weapons are already banned. You can’t have auto or burst fire, or a bayonet lug. The rest are just semi automatics that are center fire.

Nothing will make the left happier that having a world where only the criminals have guns.
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Where do you think criminals get their guns? 90% of them from the trunks of cars that are filled with guns bought legally in a "gun friendly" State and sold for profit in Chicago, NY.or California.


Effective policing of the underground gun market could help to separate guns from everyday violent crime. Currently it is rare for those who provide guns to offenders to face any legal consequences, and changing that situation will require additional resources to penetrate the social networks of gun offenders.

Needless to say, that effort is not cheap or easy and requires that both the police and the courts have the necessary authority and give this sort of gun enforcement high priority.
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How dangerous people get their guns in America - CBS News
 
washunut said:
I wonder how many of that 2/3 can name the assault rifles they want to ban. For that matter I wonder how many of that 2/3 can name the current VP.
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Probably only one, the AR15. I'm afraid it has got a lot of bad press because some nuts actually use it for what it was designed to do. Go figure.
 
washunut said:
I wonder how many of that 2/3 can name the assault rifles they want to ban. For that matter I wonder how many of that 2/3 can name the current VP.
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I bet they are more that those in the anti-environmental crowd who know the chemical symbol for carbon
 
washunut said:
I wonder how many of that 2/3 can name the assault rifles they want to ban. For that matter I wonder how many of that 2/3 can name the current VP.
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jamesrage said:
So all semiautomatic rifles. IF the poll question asked that then I doubt most of those 1000 people who took the poll would be in support of that.

BTW many pistols and shot guns are defined as assault weapons too. Are you cool with those being banned too? Also not all semiautomatic rifles are defined as assault weapons.
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You are getting a little ahead of yourself.

One can be for a ban on "assault" weapons without really being able to define what an assault weapon is. Whatever bill was presented on the subject would have a definition of an "assault" weapon which would be hashed out in a debate. The "people" would be satisfied that action on their issue was taken and, theoretically a well deliberated and litigated definition would be incorporated in the final legislation that well defined assault weapons.

People demand healthcare without necessarily understanding all the intricacies of healthcare. They rely on their legislators to take action and follow a process to develop intelligent legislation that adequately addresses (or makes a major step toward addressing) the deficiencies at hand.

In short, people not understanding what actually constitutes an assault weapon is irrelevant.
 
iguanaman said:
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A stunning number lands in the middle of the gun debate - CNNPolitics

Now we will see how Mitch reacts to the will of the people. Anyone think he cares?
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2/3rds of Americans want Abortion clinics to be required to have their abortion doctors have local hospital admitting privileges.

2/3rds of Americans want a 24 hour waiting period for abortions.

The majority of Americans support requiring women be shown an ultrasound image before an abortion is performed.

The majority of Americans want elective abortions after 24 weeks to be illegal.

The majority of registered voters (the study was on registered voters, not total americans) think fetal heartbeat bills are not too restrictive.

So. Should we enact all those things? If not, then why should we care about your OP's numbers?
 
Gondwanaland said:
2/3rds of Americans want Abortion clinics to be required to have their abortion doctors have local hospital admitting privileges.

2/3rds of Americans want a 24 hour waiting period for abortions.

The majority of Americans support requiring women be shown an ultrasound image before an abortion is performed.

The majority of Americans want elective abortions after 24 weeks to be illegal.

The majority of registered voters (the study was on registered voters, not total americans) think fetal heartbeat bills are not too restrictive.

So. Should we enact all those things? If not, then why should we care about your OP's numbers?
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Please show proof of your assertions.
 
jdog21 said:
The 90s assault weapons ban did not ban large capacity magazines either, just certain large feeding devices. You could still go buy a 20 round magazine in the 90's
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Even if it did, it would not prevent mass shootings or gun violence.
 
beefheart said:
Please show proof of your assertions.
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The first three:

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Last two:
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Nap said:
Even if it did, it would not prevent mass shootings or gun violence.
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Yeah, I mean, it certainly didn't stop the Columbine shooters who used a gun banned by the 90's law during the height of the assault weapon's ban. The ban literally had no discernible effect on shootings (mass or otherwise)
 
pamak said:
#1 Wrong: You have conflated the term "military weapon" with "assault rifle." The popular M1 Garand was a military weapon which was a semiautomatic rifle, and it was not a select fire weapon (M1 Garand - Wikipedia).

#2 When pro-gun control people use the term "assault weapon," they refer to the definition of assault weapon as it was in the 1994 assault weapon ban law which is quite more complicated that how you present it.
Here is the text of that law

Text - H.R.3355 - 103rd Congress (1993-1994): Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--
``(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
firearms in any caliber, known as--
``(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
Kalashnikovs (all models);
``(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and
Galil;
``(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
``(iv) Colt AR-15;
``(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
``(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
``(vii) Steyr AUG;
``(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
``(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to)
the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
``(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a
detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
``(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
``(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;
``(iii) a bayonet mount;
``(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to
accommodate a flash suppressor; and
``(v) a grenade launcher;
``(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a
detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
``(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol
outside of the pistol grip;
``(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel
extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
``(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or
completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter
to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being
burned;
``(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the
pistol is unloaded; and
``(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
``(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--
``(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
``(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;
``(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds;
and
``(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.''.
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#1 You do understand that there is no functional difference between an M1 Garand and the typical semi-automatic 30-06 hunting rifle correct? I'm conflating the terms Military weapons and Assault Rifle because that is what they are. Civilians are banned from owning Assault Rifles which makes them explicitly military/police weapons, however semi-automatic weapons make up the vast majority of all modern firearms owned by the public. An M4A1 or M16 would be considered "military weapons" where as a semi-automatic AR15 is specifically made for and sold to the civilian public.

#2 No, it isn't complicated at all. Example:
I manufacture a semi-automatic rifle that has a folding stock, detachable magazine, and pistol grip. It would be illegal under the 94 ban, to get around this I simply remove the folding stock and pistol grip options and magically the gun is legal to sell. This is one reason the build your own kits became popular as it completely circumvented any kind of nonsense Democrats try to pass, you simply buy the individual pieces and assemble it at home and there isn't anything that can be done about it other than the outright ban of semi-automatics, and even then new concepts will develop to replace them. You will be fighting an endless and unwinnable battle (especially with the rise of 3d printing) going after guns.
 
Gondwanaland said:
2/3rds of Americans want Abortion clinics to be required to have their abortion doctors have local hospital admitting privileges.

2/3rds of Americans want a 24 hour waiting period for abortions.

The majority of Americans support requiring women be shown an ultrasound image before an abortion is performed.

The majority of Americans want elective abortions after 24 weeks to be illegal.

The majority of registered voters (the study was on registered voters, not total americans) think fetal heartbeat bills are not too restrictive.

So. Should we enact all those things? If not, then why should we care about your OP's numbers?
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Sorry but those numbers are all wrong....

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jamesrage said:
4.Did the people conducting the poll actually verified that the poll respondents actually have firearms or did they just take their word for it?
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Like, via some kind of register perhaps? Interesting proposition.
 
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