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Trump threatens to pull out of WTO

Ikari said:
Didn't Trump just capitulate to China by delaying tariffs and such? Can we capitulate to more communists if we pull out of the WTO? Because if so, then that's what Trump will do.
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He delayed to protect certain US industries through the holiday season. I guess that's bad in your world. But you got you Trump dig in, didn't you? :roll:
 
American said:
He delayed to protect certain US industries through the holiday season. I guess that's bad in your world. But you got you Trump dig in, didn't you? :roll:
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I thought we were being tough with China and telling them how it was.

lol

I guess not so much.
 
Ikari said:
I thought we were being tough with China and telling them how it was.

lol

I guess not so much.
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Oh, so you think China is doing well under the current slate of tariffs?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
More correctly "He wants the WTO to take action against the countries that continue with whatever it is that he decides are unfair trade practices (and his usual definition of an "unfair trade practice" is "anything that does not guarantee that American companies make all the profits and other countries pay all the bills).".
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Of course you realize that Obama had filed more WTO complaints against China than any other president. He wanted the WTO to take action just like Trump wants them to.
 
American said:
Oh, so you think China is doing well under the current slate of tariffs?
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I guess we'll have to wait til December to see.

lol
 
Visbek said:
The US, by the way, wins almost every WTO action it initiates. It's not a big deal if someone like you doesn't know that; however, a POTUS who doesn't know that is an ignoramus who has no business managing foreign policy and trade negotiations.
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The US wins almost every WTO action- -tell that to Obama. Why did he have to file so many complaints? And the results of these complaints? That's right China is now playing fair, NOT.
Just because you favor the jack ass party, there is no reason to be a jack ass with you insults.
 
Outlook said:
The US wins almost every WTO action- -tell that to Obama. Why did he have to file so many complaints? And the results of these complaints? That's right China is now playing fair, NOT.
Just because you favor the jack ass party, there is no reason to be a jack ass with you insults.
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China is a respondent in a 43 WTO cases; 23 of those were filed by the US. The Obama administration filed a whopping 2 actions per term.

The US is a respondent in 154 cases; 35 from the EU, 20 from Canada. By your logic, this "proves" that the US is significantly more unfair with its trading partners than China.

China's trade policies are not fair. Neither are the US's, or the EU, or Russia, and so on. No one is perfect here. Suggesting that it is China, and only China, at fault is xenophobic nonsense.

Since you apparently can't bother to read posts that you reply to: The US has won almost every case it filed against China.

Sorry not sorry, but Trump is a blithering idiot who has no idea what he's talking about, is a disaster at negotiations, and has shown that over and over and over, including when dealing with China. Attacking the WTO for being "unfair" is yet another example of his rank ignorance.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From United Press International

Trump threatens to pull out of WTO
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Aug. 14 (UPI) -- U.S. President Donald Trump threatened to pull out of the World Trade Organization, saying "we'll leave if we have to."

At the site of an under-construction petrochemicals plant in Monaco, Pa., for a speech Tuesday that was to be about energy policy, Trump said that the United States has been taken advantage of by WTO member states, especially China, for too long -- and it was about to stop.

"We know that they have been screwing us for years," he told the crowd of workers. "And it's not going to happen any longer."

He said China has "ripped off" the United States for years with the support of U.S. money through the WTO, and if the international trade regulator isn't going to be fair, "we don't need it."

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I suppose that there is some possibility that Mr. Trump has determined that the WTO is not "being fair" to the United States of America because the US government keeps on losing cases where other countries allege that the US is "breaching the WTO rules" AND THEN have the absolute gall to actually prove their cases.

Of course every other country in the world is going to be positively overjoyed to allow the US government to set all of the rules for trade (and to change them whenever the President of the United States of America feels like changing them [and to have all of the cases regarding US government actions heard and determined by American courts {where the US government has the power to preclude the court from even entertaining the case <"for reasons of 'national security'" - where the absolute authority to decide if a case involves "national security" rests with the President of the United States of America ->}]).
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Does anybody (5 year old children included) cry "not fair" more than Trump?
 
Visbek said:
Oh, really? When, exactly, was the WTO "unfair?" Please provide specific examples.
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China. That is actually a list of examples, because China is a repeat offender. Other countries have taken advantage and previous administrations have failed to call them on it. WTO is at fault, because they are supposed to enforce the agreements.

Kreton said:
Does anybody (5 year old children included) cry "not fair" more than Trump?
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Five year old children usually don't like rules being enforced. This is the opposite--failure to enforce the rules.

When someone is breaking the rules, not fair is the appropriate adult response. When the person or organization charged with enforcing the rules refuses to do so, then withdrawing from the organization is the appropriate adult response.
 
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Visbek said:
:roll:

China is a respondent in a 43 WTO cases; 23 of those were filed by the US. The Obama administration filed a whopping 2 actions per term.

The US is a respondent in 154 cases; 35 from the EU, 20 from Canada. By your logic, this "proves" that the US is significantly more unfair with its trading partners than China.

China's trade policies are not fair. Neither are the US's, or the EU, or Russia, and so on. No one is perfect here. Suggesting that it is China, and only China, at fault is xenophobic nonsense.

Since you apparently can't bother to read posts that you reply to: The US has won almost every case it filed against China.

Sorry not sorry, but Trump is a blithering idiot who has no idea what he's talking about, is a disaster at negotiations, and has shown that over and over and over, including when dealing with China. Attacking the WTO for being "unfair" is yet another example of his rank ignorance.
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Tell me how is the US unfair with its trading partners. Let me restate that, how is the US "significantly more unfair" with it's trading partners?
 
bongsaway said:
Let me try to narrow it down. He's a con man and once he wormed his way into the white house he became a con man bully.
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Or an avenger for the US. Fixed it for ya.
 
WillyPete said:
I think it's become clear that Trump doesn't believe what he says himself, so why should any nation would take him at his word?

Seems like the correct response is to tie things up in negotiations until Trump's gone.
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Why should we even consider your TDS?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
India and China are still developing countries

The GDP per capita for both are still in the "developing" range. For China the further west you go the less developed the country is. In the south western regions the economic development in China is around the same as the poorest areas of Mexico. India has even larger areas that are extremely underdeveloped.

The issue is that both countries are large, with very large population. A good 300 million Chinese have living standards on par with say Portugal, another 700 million like Mexico, and another 400 million like the worst areas of Central America (not the crime rates however)

They both are developing on the whole, but because of the large population, the parts of the country and economy that are developed have a significant impact on the world's economy
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China and India are still developing countries.:lamo
 
Visbek said:
The US wins almost every case it brings before the WTO -- including actions it brings against China.

I.e. Trump is a dumbf*** who does not understand trade, the WTO, deficits, economics.... The day when he is out of office cannot come soon enough.
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You bow to your TDS.:roll:
 
Ikari said:
I'm not 100% sure where India stands in classification, but Pune sure as heck seems 3rd world to me.
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Most parts of Appalachia seem third world...so, the US's economy is developing?
 
SheWolf said:
Trump is a child, crying, stomping his feet... the world is unfair to me and why do you hate meeeee

He often makes threats. He is a blubbering idiot, and he should not be president
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Not one bit of fact in this post. You have TDS. Get help.
 
Ikari said:
I thought we were being tough with China and telling them how it was.

lol

I guess not so much.
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Trump also realizes how much the stock market is influenced by China tariffs.

Why doesn't Trump just give up on his quest to embolden the middle class via tariffs on China, you ask? Do you hate the middle class?
 
cabse5 said:
Trump also realizes how much the stock market is influenced by China tariffs.

Why doesn't Trump just give up on his quest to embolden the middle class via tariffs on China, you ask? Do you hate the middle class?
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:lamo

The tariffs are not going to "embolden the middle class". What horribly ridiculous propaganda.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
What countries in the world do you consider to be developing?
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China and India, for examples. Mebe you think, since the US always has the advantages (except for manufacturing for example), that the US should always be at the disadvantage? Psst...That's how the US lost manufacturing.:roll:
 
Ikari said:
:lamo

The tariffs are not going to "embolden the middle class". What horribly ridiculous propaganda.
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An increase of middle class jobs emboldens the middle class. Dems don't care about the middle class other than to make everyone a part of the middle class.
 
cabse5 said:
An increase of middle class jobs emboldens the middle class. Dems don't care about the middle class except to make everyone a part of the middle class.
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What increase in middle class jobs is created by the tariffs? Manufacturing isn't coming back to America, not on any large scale.
 
Ikari said:
What increase in middle class jobs is created by the tariffs? Manufacturing isn't coming back to America, not on any large scale.
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The whole premise of Chinese tariffs is to make China trade fairly.:roll:
 
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