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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    No need to fret that I may hurt myself since there is no outrage feigned or otherwise. FYI... My look is naturally always calm and collected.

    I just see a big difference that you don't seem to see when you used your talking point via your use of the words "concentration camps" to make the two situations equivalent.

    They are factually called detention centers not concentration camps.

    But, I do understand your need to use a talking point to support your point of view.

    detention centre - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

    a large cell where prisoners (people awaiting trial or sentence or refugees or illegal immigrants) are confined together temporarily

    NOTE: No mention of Nazi's in this definition.

    The U.S.is not the only Country to use detention centers.

    Country Detention Reports Archives - Global Detention Project | Mapping immigration detention around the world | Global Detention Project | Mapping immigration detention around the world

    Interesting photographer Thomas Kiefer, who used to work as a janitor for Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in Ajo, Arizona...

    Gallery was published along with a 12 March 2017 story in The New Yorker.

    After using the pics of the belongings of those immigrants he said he gathered from the trash in his gallery photos used in the New Yorker along with his story.

    Did he a least try to return the wallets, and other personal items the immigrants might have wanted returned to them had they known that they were retrieved, cleaned and used by a photographer for an article in the New Yorker? Did he keep them? Did he trash them again? I'm curious what happened to the belongings when he was done using them for his gallery and story in the New Yorker. I wonder, how much he was paid by the New Yorker?

    Note: No gallery pics of the trash receptacles filled with the immigrants belongings (as proof) before he allegedly retrieved them and then cleaned them up for his photographic gallery used in the New Yorker article.

    I just asked for proof of your talking points.

    Perhaps, you are the one spewing manufactured outrage and not facts?

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Can you try again, this time with a coherent post?
    I'll be waiting while making my pretty until you come up with a better excuse than blaming me for your lack of ability to provide a rebuttal.

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

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    What "slur"?
    The slur according to the progressive left's dictionary...

    It's kept in a very dark place for a reason.

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    I'll be waiting while making my pretty until you come up with a better excuse than blaming me for your lack of ability to provide a rebuttal.

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    It is not my responsibility to interpret your barely coherent posts. If you won't even take the time to write coherently, then how do we know that you have anything worthwhile to say?
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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Is this where we hope that this is the Reichstag Fire that you people have been longing for? Cause that'd be about at the level of your OP, trix. That'd be about square.
    "You people"?? Not cool, bro.

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic Kid View Post
    Merriam Webster defines "detention center" as detention center noun
    Definition of detention center
    1 : a place where people who have entered a country illegally are kept for a period of time
    2 : a place where people who have committed crimes are kept as punishment

    What crimes have these children and their families committed? Also the term implies that those being held for any 'crimes' are there to await the legal processing of their alleged offenses within a reasonable and predetermined period of time. If that has been changed to an indefinite period of time with no promise of due process, a speedy trial or any legal resolution. You have essentially turned them into "internment camps"

    To quote you your own cited source "Vocabulary.com". It describes "internment" thusly.

    "Internment means putting a person in prison or other kind of detention, generally in wartime. During World War II, the American government put Japanese-Americans in internment camps, fearing they might be loyal to Japan.

    Internment usually doesn’t involve a trial, so you're being held because someone thinks you might be dangerous, but there’s no proof. The internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II is now widely considered to have been a terrible mistake, in that the citizens who were detained — some for as long as four years — were not traitors, but loyal Americans, and their internment caused them considerable emotional and economic hardship. Internment comes from the Latin internus, “inward.”

    Are we now at war with Western Southern Hemisphere?
    Definition 1. applies to a particular group of people namely those who have entered a country illegally. That definition applies to any country not just the United States.

    Definition 2. applies to a different group of people who have committed crimes and are being punished for their crimes.

    #1. people are being detained while they await for an immigration Judge to rule in their favor or against them. Whether or not they have a legal claim to stay in the Country they have illegally entered. They can have an immigration Lawyer to help them make their case.

    The problem is with the major influx of people coming in caravans the detention centers were not designed to properly house that many people and there are not enough Judges to get the process done in a timely manner.

    Now, if a Judge rules against them, they are not held in #2. detention centers for a crime they are just subject to deportation. (the action of deporting a foreigner from a country)

    Why are you using the interment example for group #1. who are not U.S. Citizens with what happened to legal Japanese U.S. Citizens?

    Since, we are not at war with the Western Southern Hemisphere... your idea of interment for #1. group of people not U.S. Citizens in connection with Japanese U.S. Citizens is simply based on an emotional talking point and not based on fact.

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    It is not my responsibility to interpret your barely coherent posts. If you won't even take the time to write coherently, then how do we know that you have anything worthwhile to say?
    Just another repeat of using an excuse to blame me for your inability to provide a rebuttal to my post.

    I will be waiting patiently for your third up to bat excuse before I call 3 strikes your out.

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    Definition 1. applies to a particular group of people namely those who have entered a country illegally. That definition applies to any country not just the United States.

    Definition 2. applies to a different group of people who have committed crimes and are being punished for their crimes.

    #1. people are being detained while they await for an immigration Judge to rule in their favor or against them. Whether or not they have a legal claim to stay in the Country they have illegally entered. They can have an immigration Lawyer to help them make their case.

    The problem is with the major influx of people coming in caravans the detention centers were not designed to properly house that many people and there are not enough Judges to get the process done in a timely manner.

    Now, if a Judge rules against them, they are not held in #2. detention centers for a crime they are just subject to deportation. (the action of deporting a foreigner from a country)

    Why are you using the interment example for group #1. who are not U.S. Citizens with what happened to legal Japanese U.S. Citizens?

    Since, we are not at war with the Western Southern Hemisphere... your idea of interment for #1. group of people not U.S. Citizens in connection with Japanese U.S. Citizens is simply based on an emotional talking point and not based on fact.

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    Wow! What a jumbled mish-mash of nonsensical block of wordage that is. Not even going to try to disentangle that mess. Except to ask wherein this new policy does there exists a path for adjudication for these people? And what steps are they taking to minimize the trauma that will be done to these children? None that I can see For Christ's sake they can't even be bothered to provide flu vaccinations to the children in their custody even though 6 of the 7 children who have died while in their custody(a completely unprecedented number) had exhibited flu like symptoms just prior to their deaths. So they are now essentially being consigned to 'internment camps' for undetermined amount of time. Because they simply don't care and or want to maximize the pain and cruelty.

    President Obama successfully and humanely dealt with a huge unprecedented influx of border crossings, migrants, and refugees at our southern border. How is it that this administration can't even begin to do the same? Is it incompetence? Indifference? Or a combination of both?

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic Kid View Post
    Wow! What a jumbled mish-mash of nonsensical block of wordage that is. Not even going to try to disentangle that mess. Except to ask wherein this new policy does there exists a path for adjudication for these people? And what steps are they taking to minimize the trauma that will be done to these children? None that I can see For Christ's sake they can't even be bothered to provide flu vaccinations to the children in their custody even though 6 of the 7 children who have died while in their custody(a completely unprecedented number) had exhibited flu like symptoms just prior to their deaths. So they are now essentially being consigned to 'internment camps' for undetermined amount of time. Because they simply don't care and or want to maximize the pain and cruelty.

    President Obama successfully and humanely dealt with a huge unprecedented influx of border crossings, migrants, and refugees at our southern border. How is it that this administration can't even begin to do the same? Is it incompetence? Indifference? Or a combination of both?
    Wow! Where have I heard this excuse before... oh yeah it was from another poster Phys251. Did the two of you collaborate? Or are you just parroting?

    Since, you have decided to disregard my post using an excuse to blame me for your inability to rebut my post.

    I have decided to use the option known as turn about is fair play and will disregard your post.

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Please try not to hurt yourself with feigned outrage. It isn't a good look for you.

    Instead, let's stick to the facts.



    Are Rosaries Being Taken from Immigrants at the U.S.-Mexico Border?



    This has already been established. Concentration camp | Definition of Concentration camp at Dictionary.com



    Trump Administration Argues Detained Migrant Children Don't Need Toothbrushes, Soap
    What we know about the immigrant children being detained separately from their parents - ABC News

    Now would you like to spew any more manufactured outrage or would you like to actually address these facts that have been clearly presented to you?

    Concentration camp
    WRITTEN BY: The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
    LAST UPDATED: Jul 9, 2019 See Article History
    Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial. Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons.

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