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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

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    Another example of leftwing progressive fascist domestic terrorism and criminal insurrection.
    Fascism and leftist/progressives are political opposites. Fascism is a far-right authoritarian capatalist idea.

    These 14 points are the defining ideas of fascism. None of them are liberal, leftist or progressive.

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You are deliberately and intentionally dodging the point I repeatedly have made in this thread, which is that calling another human being an "illegal" is a slur, regardless of what they have done.
    I'm curious. Upon what do you base your opinion that it's a slur?

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Supporters of fascism tend to use "illegal" as a noun to dehumanize people who are here without proper documentation. This is a necessary step for their intentions to oppress a group of people, as we do not mistreat people whom we consider to be value. But by calling a group of people a literal violation of the law, they dehumanize them. History shows what would happen next.
    Interesting defense:

    But, I rather doubt it would work in another country's court of law if you were caught illegally living in that country without official authorization. Because...

    If, You or I as foreign nationals (U.S. citizens} were living without official authorization in another country of which we were not citizens > we would be illegal aliens.

    And we would rightly be subject to any of that countries laws concerning how they deal with that infraction.

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If it had just been derogatory comments by the President of the United States, that would have been a problem in its own right. But he took things much, much further than that. In his concentration camps, this is what he did to them:

    Their property is often expropriated. Sometimes they are even segregated into ghettoes, deported into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. They are deliberately deprived of resources such as water or food in order to slowly destroy them.

    That's from Stage 8--persecution--the final stage before mass killing.
    Do you have any legitimate proof of your accusations? Investigative News Reporters Photos or their news articles or TV reports?

    What kind of property? Where are these ghettos? What concentration camps and where are they? Name the famine-struck regions where they are being starved. Where is that happening?

    Do you have any idea what real concentration camps looked like or the atrocities that happened there?

    60 Top Concentration Camp Pictures, Photos, & Images - Getty Images

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    There's a big difference between slapping someone with the label of having committed a crime and with the label of literally being illegal. Whether or not the intent is to do that is irrelevant.
    Don't want to be slapped with a label and be subject to deportation... Follow the law and become a Permanent Resident Alien.

    Definition of Terms | Homeland Security

    Immigrant - See Permanent Resident Alien.

    Definition of Terms | Homeland Security

    Permanent Resident Alien - An alien admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident. Permanent residents are also commonly referred to as immigrants; however, the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) broadly defines an immigrant as any alien in the United States, except one legally admitted under specific nonimmigrant categories (INA section 101(a)(15)). An illegal alien who entered the United States without inspection, for example, would be strictly defined as an immigrant under the INA but is not a permanent resident alien. Lawful permanent residents are legally accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States. They may be issued immigrant visas by the Department of State overseas or adjusted to permanent resident status by the Department of Homeland Security in the United States.

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    Do you have any legitimate proof of your accusations? Investigative News Reporters Photos or their news articles or TV reports?

    What kind of property? Where are these ghettos? What concentration camps and where are they? Name the famine-struck regions where they are being starved. Where is that happening?

    Do you have any idea what real concentration camps looked like or the atrocities that happened there?

    60 Top Concentration Camp Pictures, Photos, & Images - Getty Images
    Please try not to hurt yourself with feigned outrage. It isn't a good look for you.

    Instead, let's stick to the facts.

    Their property is often expropriated.
    Are Rosaries Being Taken from Immigrants at the U.S.-Mexico Border?

    Sometimes they are even segregated into ghettoes, deported into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved.
    This has already been established. Concentration camp | Definition of Concentration camp at Dictionary.com

    They are deliberately deprived of resources such as water or food in order to slowly destroy them.
    Trump Administration Argues Detained Migrant Children Don't Need Toothbrushes, Soap
    What we know about the immigrant children being detained separately from their parents - ABC News

    Now would you like to spew any more manufactured outrage or would you like to actually address these facts that have been clearly presented to you?
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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Good, you are shifting away from the slur. And you didn't answer my question.
    What "slur"?
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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

    You are deliberately and intentionally dodging the point I repeatedly have made in this thread, which is that calling another human being an "illegal" is a slur, regardless of what they have done.

    I have been clear as crystal on this very simple point. I am not the one to blame if you refuse to understand it.
    YOU, injected race. These are YOUR words: The Rethuglican party has caused the term "illegal" to be an acceptable slur for any brown-skinned person who commits the misdemeanor of being in our country without proper documentation. Instead of saying "Trump is dehumanizing desperate people who are seeking a better life," they label them with that slur. It's been an open way of pushing a false narrative.

    Don't try to act like you didn't inject race into the issue. You obviously did, unless you have a different understanding of the meaning of "brown skinned people."

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Please try not to hurt yourself with feigned outrage. It isn't a good look for you.

    Instead, let's stick to the facts.



    Are Rosaries Being Taken from Immigrants at the U.S.-Mexico Border?



    This has already been established. Concentration camp | Definition of Concentration camp at Dictionary.com



    Trump Administration Argues Detained Migrant Children Don't Need Toothbrushes, Soap
    What we know about the immigrant children being detained separately from their parents - ABC News

    Now would you like to spew any more manufactured outrage or would you like to actually address these facts that have been clearly presented to you?
    No need to fret that I may hurt myself since there is no outrage feigned or otherwise. FYI... My look is naturally always calm and collected.

    I just see a big difference that you don't seem to see when you used your talking point via your use of the words "concentration camps" to make the two situations equivalent.

    They are factually called detention centers not concentration camps.

    But, I do understand your need to use a talking point to support your point of view.

    detention centre - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

    a large cell where prisoners (people awaiting trial or sentence or refugees or illegal immigrants) are confined together temporarily

    NOTE: No mention of Nazi's in this definition.

    The U.S.is not the only Country to use detention centers.

    https://www.globaldetentionproject.o...ention-reports

    Interesting photographer Thomas Kiefer, who used to work as a janitor for Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in Ajo, Arizona...

    Gallery was published along with a 12 March 2017 story in The New Yorker.

    After using the pics of the belongings of those immigrants he said he gathered from the trash in his gallery photos used in the New Yorker along with his story.

    Did he a least try to return the wallets, and other personal items the immigrants might have wanted returned to them had they known that they were retrieved, cleaned and used by a photographer for an article in the New Yorker? Did he keep them? Did he trash them again? I'm curious what happened to the belongings when he was done using them for his gallery and story in the New Yorker. I wonder, how much he was paid by the New Yorker?

    Note: No gallery pics of the trash receptacles filled with the immigrants belongings (as proof) before he allegedly retrieved them and then cleaned them up for his photographic gallery used in the New Yorker article.

    I just asked for proof of your talking points.

    Perhaps, you are the one spewing manufactured outrage and not facts?

    Roseann

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    Re: FBI investigating shots fired at ICE offices in San Antonio

    Quote Originally Posted by CharisRose View Post
    No need to fret that I may hurt myself since there is no outrage feigned or otherwise. FYI... My look is naturally always calm and collected.

    I just see a big difference that you don't seem to see when you used your talking point via your use of the words "concentration camps" to make the two situations equivalent.

    They are factually called detention centers not concentration camps.

    But, I do understand your need to use a talking point to support your point of view.

    detention centre - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

    a large cell where prisoners (people awaiting trial or sentence or refugees or illegal immigrants) are confined together temporarily

    NOTE: No mention of Nazi's in this definition.

    The U.S.is not the only Country to use detention centers.

    Country Detention Reports Archives - Global Detention Project | Mapping immigration detention around the world | Global Detention Project | Mapping immigration detention around the world

    Interesting photographer Thomas Kiefer, who used to work as a janitor for Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in Ajo, Arizona...

    Gallery was published along with a 12 March 2017 story in The New Yorker.

    After using the pics of the belongings of those immigrants he said he gathered from the trash in his gallery photos used in the New Yorker along with his story.

    Did he a least try to return the wallets, and other personal items the immigrants might have wanted returned to them had they known that they were retrieved, cleaned and used by a photographer for an article in the New Yorker? Did he keep them? Did he trash them again? I'm curious what happened to the belongings when he was done using them for his gallery and story in the New Yorker. I wonder, how much he was paid by the New Yorker?

    Note: No gallery pics of the trash receptacles filled with the immigrants belongings (as proof) before he allegedly retrieved them and then cleaned them up for his photographic gallery used in the New Yorker article.

    I just asked for proof of your talking points.

    Perhaps, you are the one spewing manufactured outrage and not facts?

    Roseann
    Merriam Webster defines "detention center" as detention center noun
    Definition of detention center
    1 : a place where people who have entered a country illegally are kept for a period of time
    2 : a place where people who have committed crimes are kept as punishment

    What crimes have these children and their families committed? Also the term implies that those being held for any 'crimes' are there to await the legal processing of their alleged offenses within a reasonable and predetermined period of time. If that has been changed to an indefinite period of time with no promise of due process, a speedy trial or any legal resolution. You have essentially turned them into "internment camps"

    To quote you your own cited source "Vocabulary.com". It describes "internment" thusly.

    "Internment means putting a person in prison or other kind of detention, generally in wartime. During World War II, the American government put Japanese-Americans in internment camps, fearing they might be loyal to Japan.

    Internment usually doesn’t involve a trial, so you're being held because someone thinks you might be dangerous, but there’s no proof. The internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II is now widely considered to have been a terrible mistake, in that the citizens who were detained — some for as long as four years — were not traitors, but loyal Americans, and their internment caused them considerable emotional and economic hardship. Internment comes from the Latin internus, “inward.”

    Are we now at war with Western Southern Hemisphere?

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