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Senate Dems deliver stunning warning to Supreme Court: ‘Heal’ or face restructuring

Anthony60 said:
The dangerous part is when the Supreme Court amends the Constitution through their decisions, which the Democrats are using threats to encourage.
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The problem is that people see as amendments only the SCOTUS decisions with which they disagree, but this is happening on both sides. For the left, saying that money is free speech is a shameless amendment. Saying that partisan gerrymandering is legal is also a shameless amendment. And both corrupt the foundation of any republic-meaning the elections and consequently the representation of the people.
 
ajn678 said:
1. They are free if you make under a certain amount of money.
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Varies by state, and transportation is not free.
2. There are services to bring you to a DMV if you are unable to.
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Not available in all areas.

3. This is literally true for about 5 people. In these circumstances, they usually work it out.
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Prove your claim.
4. No one has such little time that they cannot afford to go the DMV.
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White privilege.txt. Did you know there was a DMV in Wisconsin that was open only on the fifth Wednesday of a month? Coincidentally, I’m sure, it was in a predominantly black area.
There are multiple contiguous counties in the “black belt” that don’t have a full time DMV.
Four awful reasons that are shot down easily by the truth. Try again.
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Must be nice to never have had circumstances in life where any of these issues could possibly be a barrier for you.
 
Huey Freeman said:
1. This is not true. Point out five states with free driver's licenses with specific income requirements. Also, include the median income of that State with each requirement.
2. This is not true. Point out five states that bring people to the DMV.
3a. First, who the **** are you to judge? No, for real. Who are you to judge? I'd really like an answer to that question.
3b. Where is your citation that there are only 5 people out of >320 million citizens who lack appropriate documentation?
4. This is demonstrably false and you have no proof to back up your claim.
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This will be easy.


1. You can literally find a reduced fee(free if you are actually poor) on every DMV site for each state. I have better things to do than Google it for you.
2. Its called public transportation. As well as handicapped transportation if you actually want to create these made up people.
3. I am not judging anyone. Please stop with your fake ****. I clearly didn't mean 5 actual people. The fact is, it is extremely unlikely.
4. No one works 144 hours a week. You have time if you actually want it.

Stop with your bull****. There is no one in this nation that can legally get an ID that cannot.

I will repeat. If you do not have an ID in this country, it is because you don't want one.
 
Incredible that people actually believe there are people in this country that legitimately cannot afford an ID or find a way to get to a place where they can get one. If you actually believe this, it just shows how out of touch with reality you are.
 
Huey Freeman said:
Licenses are not free, getting to the DMV is not free, and having access to public (or private) transportation is often not free. Getting off work, especially in the service industry, can be difficult if not impossible. Other responsibilities including poor health, poor mobility, and complex family situations may make it difficult. In some places in Georgia, after white people deliberately closed the DMVs, residents need to make a 50 mile journey to their nearest DMV. That's insane. Why should we go inside the DMV anyway? If it is important like you say, make IDs and driver's licenses like social security cards: you get them for free in the mail. The only reason this isn't the case is because white folks just want to take a picture of people's faces.
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I don't believe this at all. Do you have any evidence for this? It is 100% fake news.
 
Deuce said:
Like you've proven Democrats want them to violate their oaths? Sure.

Your logic is based entirely on the misconception that your interpretation of the constitution is the only valid interpretation and anyone who thinks differently somehow hates the constitution.

I'm not interested in "proving" anything in a conversation based on that nonsense.
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Translation: You've got NOTHING.
 
Huey Freeman said:
Here are the things Democrats need to do immediately:

1. Get rid of the filibuster. It's over.
2. Grant Statehood to Puerto Rico, Guam, Marshall Islands, and DC. Allow them a 1 year lag to elect their US Reps
3. Expand the Court to 15.
4. Impeach Kavanaugh
5. Enact laws against gerrymandering
6. Go after Trump and his family. Lock them all up.
7. Institute the Fairness Doctrine to kill off Fox News
8. Confiscate guns and throw people who refuse in jail. (Funny how white folks are about "law and order" except when they don't like the law)
9. Make DUI's a federal crime punishable by life imprisonment (white folks need to stop drinking and driving)
10. Allow healthcare providers to refuse care based on political affiliation. I'm a nurse and don't feel that I should be forced to care for conservative patients who secretly hate because of the color of my skin.
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1. The Democrats will never do that because they use it too.
2. That's not how it works
3. Court packing crap
4. For what? Not blowing the Democrats?
5. Good luck
6. Gotta charge them with a crime first.
7. That's violating the 1st amendment
8. That's violating the 2nd amendment and reeks of tyranny.
9. That's excessive (and white people aren't the only ones who drive drunk!)
10. That's discrimination. It's illegal.

So much hate in one post. Amazing.
 
ajn678 said:
Incredible that people actually believe there are people in this country that legitimately cannot afford an ID or find a way to get to a place where they can get one. If you actually believe this, it just shows how out of touch with reality you are.
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Imagine that the General election is a YEAR from November, and the Democrats are trying to sell us, with a straight face, that people, that want to vote, can’t because they won’t be able to get a proper ID by then.


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ajn678 said:
Literally nothing in regards to what the person says. Please try to fail less.
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It shows a widespread pattern of Republican behavior to make it more difficult for minorities to get the required photo ID to vote in states that passed that law. Voter fraud is insignificant and there is no proof that a photo ID at the time of voting is going to solve anything. Voter required to have a photo ID is a blatant Jim Crow law.
 
Lisa said:
It shows a widespread pattern of Republican behavior to make it more difficult for minorities to get the required photo ID to vote in states that passed that law. Voter fraud is insignificant and there is no proof that a photo ID at the time of voting is going to solve anything. Voter required to have a photo ID is a blatant Jim Crow law.
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No it doesn't. It shows nothing of the sort. Four worthless sources that are emotional opinion based **** has nothing to do with reality.
 
Lisa said:
Texas Officials Aim to Shutter Driver's License Offices in Black, Hispanic Communities (Updated) - Rewire.News
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From your link:

UPDATE, August 30 [2018], 2:45 p.m.: The Sunset Advisory Commission on Wednesday voted to reject the Department of Public Safety’s recommendations to close 87 drivers license offices across Texas, the Dallas Morning News reports. The commission approved a plan for an outside agency to study proposal to transfer responsibility for the driver’s license program from DPS to the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles.
 
Re: Senate Dems deliver stunning warning to Supreme Court: ‘Healâ€[emoji769] or face restructuring

bomberfox said:
Ummm do you think that post was the first post i made on the subject?
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No - you will notice I even responded to some of those earlier posts you made on the subject ;)

I think it's where you responded to yourself because others were telling you things you didn't want to hear.

Lol. You werent discussing solutions, you said its completely normal blah blah blah elections have consequences blah blah democrats blah blah.
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1. I said it isn't abnormal (and, it isn't).
2. I stated that as soon as people who claim to oppose gerrymandering get into power, they switch to saying things like "elections have consequences".

And then I showed you (in a post you carefully ignored) that the people telling you that they oppose gerrymandering, don't. They only oppose the other team getting to do it.


Also you havnt shown any republicans that were not allowed on the ballot.
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Oh, in California? Yeah, a Republican hasn't been allowed on the Senate Race ballot for the last couple of election cycles - the state changed the laws in order to put a Democrat v a Democrat up there, instead. It's one of the (multiple) reasons why the "Oh But The Senate Isn't Representative Because Look At The Popular Vote" shennanigans is BS. Since you're really against one party using their domination of state government to make it harder for the other party to win future elections, I'm sure you're going to be quite upset about it.
 
Huey Freeman said:
Licenses are not free, getting to the DMV is not free, and having access to public (or private) transportation is often not free. Getting off work, especially in the service industry, can be difficult if not impossible. Other responsibilities including poor health, poor mobility, and complex family situations may make it difficult. In some places in Georgia, after white people deliberately closed the DMVs, residents need to make a 50 mile journey to their nearest DMV. That's insane. Why should we go inside the DMV anyway? If it is important like you say, make IDs and driver's licenses like social security cards: you get them for free in the mail. The only reason this isn't the case is because white folks just want to take a picture of people's faces.
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I realize I shouldn't be amused that people actually believe this, but it is funny :D


Yeah, Huey. The only possible reason that having a picture of your face on an item that is supposed to prove that you are, in fact, using your actual identity is because white people like taking pictures of people's faces. :lol:



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Nelson Mandela: Apparently, Racist Against Black People :lol:
 
pamak said:
The problem is that people see as amendments only the SCOTUS decisions with which they disagree, but this is happening on both sides. For the left, saying that money is free speech is a shameless amendment. Saying that partisan gerrymandering is legal is also a shameless amendment. And both corrupt the foundation of any republic-meaning the elections and consequently the representation of the people.
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I think it is rooted in not enough checks and balances. Namely, term limits for Justices and all of Congress.
 
JasperL said:
No, I read fine. I also know Republicans are NOT "[kept]... off the ballot in Senatorial races" they just lose elections because the state is heavily democratic.
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I pointed out that they were kept off the ballot in Senate races.

Your response was to argue with the strawman position that "they weren't allowed to run".

So, either it was a deliberate mistake, or you weren't reading very carefully. Which happens to us all. :)


That being said, your claim here is also incorrect. California did, in fact, alter it's law in such a way as to keep Republicans off the Senate ballot in that state. The 2018 Senate Election was between Dianne Feinstein (Democrat) and Kevin de Leon (Democrat). The 2016 Senate Election was between Kamala Harris (Democrat) and Loretta Sanchez (Democrat).


Now. Since ya'll are very concerned with changes by a dominant legal party designed to ensure they maintain political supremacy within the representation of a state, I'm sure ya'll are just furious about this, no?

No? :)
 
Re: Senate Dems deliver stunning warning to Supreme Court: ‘Healâ€[emoji769] or face restructuring

cpwill said:
No - you will notice I even responded to some of those earlier posts you made on the subject ;)

I think it's where you responded to yourself because others were telling you things you didn't want to hear.



1. I said it isn't abnormal (and, it isn't).
2. I stated that as soon as people who claim to oppose gerrymandering get into power, they switch to saying things like "elections have consequences".

And then I showed you (in a post you carefully ignored) that the people telling you that they oppose gerrymandering, don't. They only oppose the other team getting to do it.




Oh, in California? Yeah, a Republican hasn't been allowed on the Senate Race ballot for the last couple of election cycles - the state changed the laws in order to put a Democrat v a Democrat up there, instead. It's one of the (multiple) reasons why the "Oh But The Senate Isn't Representative Because Look At The Popular Vote" shennanigans is BS. Since you're really against one party using their domination of state government to make it harder for the other party to win future elections, I'm sure you're going to be quite upset about it.
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You made the claim about a republican not being on the ballot. Its not on me to look it up as i wont waste my time doing your homework for you, especially since you just keep making excuses to promote doing nothing about gerrymandering. You know nothing about this. I get it, you want nothing to be done about it.
 
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bomberfox said:
You made the claim about a republican not being on the ballot. Its not on me to look it up as i wont waste my time doing your homework for you, especially since you just keep making excuses to promote doing nothing about gerrymandering
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:lol: I love the reasoning there.

"The fact that you are aware that Democrats also engage in gerrymandering and have no problem with it per se invalidates the point that California has altered it's law so as to keep Republican candidates from appearing on the Senate ballot."

Well done. Absolutely devastating, unassailable, logic. :lol: Trump himself could not have done better :p

Incidentally, the "homework" is literally in the post immediately above yours. Yes, (after their previous attempt to steer the nomination process was invalidated in a 7-2 SCOTUS decision), California rewrote their electoral law so as to allow party nominees to be blocked. Result: In 2016 the California Senate Ballot let you choose between Kamala Harris (Democrat) and Loretta Sanchez (Democrat), and the 2018 California Senate Ballot let you choose between Dianne Feinstein (Democrat) and Kevin de Leon (Democrat). Which is one of multiple reasons why the periodic complaining about how "The Voters' Votes For Senators Aren't Represented In The Senate" is balderdash.

Since you have staked out the position that you are very upset with a political party using it's legislative power once in control of a state government to alter the rules so as to advantage itself in future contests, I'm sure you are very upset with this, and look forward to hearing how you think the Federal Government ought to address it. :)

You know nothing about this.
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:) Oh, I've studied politics a bit.

I get it, you want nothing to be done about it.
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On the contrary, you seem to be confusing "opposition to your means" with "opposition to your motives". I don't have a problem with efforts to reduce gerrymandering. I simply recognize that A) it's against the incentive of all players with the ability to affect it, and B) it's a state question.

In the meantime, any party telling you that They Stand Against Gerrymandering is really just a party telling you that They Stand Against The Other Guy Winning.
 
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iguanaman said:
First of all the SC is not a "political body"and politics must not be used to make decisions. Second the issue of legitimacy is real and if the court loses it it will fail. We cannot allow that to happen.


Has the Supreme Court lost its legitimacy?
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You have no choice what is allowed to happen. The US Supreme Court is one third of the three separate but equal branches of government. It does not depend on you or partisan democrats for it's legitimacy. And the left is only bawling it's eyes out over the fact that the left does not control the court and they are not able to use it as a third legislative branch like they did with obamacare.
 
Deuce said:
Held up Garland's nomination.

Yes, it was legal. Yes, it is within the power of Congress to do so.
It is within the power of Congress to pack the court. Republicans wanted to play like this, they should get it.
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This is another case of selective outrage on your part.



As for the ability of the congress to pack the SCOTUS, good luck getting that through a republican Senate.
 
cpwill said:
I realize I shouldn't be amused that people actually believe this, but it is funny :D


Yeah, Huey. The only possible reason that having a picture of your face on an item that is supposed to prove that you are, in fact, using your actual identity is because white people like taking pictures of people's faces. :lol:



iu



Nelson Mandela: Apparently, Racist Against Black People :lol:
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Did you bother to notice that is South Africa and not in the US?

The South African ID card are automaticllty issued to people when they turn 15.5 years old. They don't have to pay for it. I wouldn't have a problem with a photo ID to vote if it was issued to voters free of charge and without effort when they registered to vote, but when that ID card require extra effort to obtain when people are already registered voters it becomes just another attempt to make a poll tax or Jim Crow law. The fact that voter fraud happens in less than 1 per 10 million is also ignored. Anyone who supports the idea of a photo ID to vote doesn't understand basic concepts of statistics. You are never going to have zero vote fraud when there are hundreds of million of voters, just as a corpation is also impossible to create repeatable zero defects in a process that has muiltipe steps for a complicated product. Instead of making it harder to vote we should be working on policies to get 95% of the eligable voters to the polls but the GOP would never want that because the more people who vote the less likely it is for Republcan candidates to win. This is a fact of political science. Higher voter turnouts do not favor the GOP.

South African identity card - Wikipedia
 
Conservative said:
Senate Dems deliver stunning warning to Supreme Court: ‘Heal’ or face restructuring | Fox News





Radicals ought to be ashamed of themselves as this is absolutely radical behavior over losing an election. Radical liberalism gone crazy
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A shoutout to those radical Democrats.

They are showing the Silent Majority what is in store for this country in the coming decades.

The Silent Majority next November will hopefully try to at least temporarily block the radicals' seizure of the Court.

In the long run, however, the Radicals will succeed in turning our country into a dictatorship. Here in California, for example, there is already a one-party state that does anything it wants.
 
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