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H-1B Visa denials at all-time high

JMaximus said:
I am not advocating this.

I am wondering who - if not H1B holders - will do the work H1B holders are currently being recruited to do?
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You aren't listening. There are plenty of Americans do the jobs, H1B holders are used to do the jobs for less.
 
JMaximus said:
If the American is not better value, why does he deserve the job?
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Because its the law, to help protect the American citizen to have jobs available to them so they don't become poor and leech off tax payers and turn to a life of crime.
 
jdog21 said:
Because its the law, to help protect the American citizen to have jobs available to them so they don't become poor and leech off tax payers and turn to a life of crime.
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And that's ultimately a losing strategy - especially in a global economy.
 
swing_voter said:
H1B visas allow highly skilled foreign workers to work in America. A lot of people say these high paying jobs should go to Americans. If you're an employer, it's nice to get some who is willing to work for a lot cheaper.


Do you agree that H1B visas are a bad thing? Or are they a good thing?
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As a Christian I favor allowing immigration and granting work permits to non-Americans, as much as is reasonable. I am not for unlimited migration of millions of people from around the world into America just because America has proven itself to be the most desirable nation on earth to inhabit.
 
marke said:
As a Christian I favor allowing immigration and granting work permits to non-Americans, as much as is reasonable. I am not for unlimited migration of millions of people from around the world into America just because America has proven itself to be the most desirable nation on earth to inhabit.
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What relevance does your religion have to to with the thread topic ?
 
Logician Man said:
What relevance does your religion have to to with the thread topic ?
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If you think my response is wrong or uncalled for then you can report my post and see if you can get me disciplined or banned. I stand by my response for several reasons.
 
marke said:
If you think my response is wrong or uncalled for then you can report my post and see if you can get me disciplined or banned. I stand by my response for several reasons.
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I simply asked what your religion had to do with the thread topic. nothing more, nothing less...Correct ?
 
Logician Man said:
I simply asked what your religion had to do with the thread topic. nothing more, nothing less...Correct ?
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As a Christian my religion has everything to do with everything in my life, including (and perhaps especially including) political debates.
 
marke said:
As a Christian my religion has everything to do with everything in my life, including (and perhaps especially including) political debates.
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Is that why you often use your religion as a battering ram against those who have differing political views as yourself ? Christianity doesn't embrace such non-Christlike behavior and hate mongering.
 
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Napoleon said:
On balance I’d say they are a bad thing. Employers contract them because they’re cheaper (both in terms of pay and benefits) and easier to abuse and terminate than American employees. So we lose out on job opportunities and a lot of money is taken out of the American economy through remittances.
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Employers contract them because they’re cheaper (both in terms of pay and benefits)
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What are you talking about?


An employer was required by law to pay such employees at least the prevailing wage for the position
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H-1B visa - Wikipedia
 
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JMaximus said:
They are neither bad nor good.

What is bad is that a country as wealthy and advanced as the US does such a piss-poor job of producing home-grown 'highly skilled' workers that it has to import foreigners to provide what are, in the 21st century, pretty basic services.

Were the US better at cultivating education and skills in its native workforce population, the demand for H1B visas would be so low as to be a non-issue - whether allowed or not.
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You guys run the education systems in this country, so it's your fault.
 
JMaximus said:
Why hire anyone more expensive than someone else?
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Because H1Bs are to be used after being unable to hire Americans for the position, its a last resort, not a lever to lower wage pressure.

H-1B Visa Employer Requirements - H1B Visa Employer Responsibilities
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There are legal protections in place. H1Bs are not a replacement for US workers, they are when US workers cannot be found. To make this more clear, the workers being hired are supposed to be getting paid prevailing wages to other US employees and not being paid less to undercut wages in a given field.

Lastly, its not just illegal, its unethical. It requires the employer and the employee applying for the H1B to lie if they are paid less.
 
Logician Man said:
Is that why you often use your religion as a battering ram against those who have differing political views as yourself ? Christianity doesn't embrace such non-Christlike behavior and hate mongering.
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I get the impression that you hate me, possibly because of my religion.]
 
JMaximus said:
And that's ultimately a losing strategy - especially in a global economy.
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Why should I care about the global economy when im worried about unemployment, poverty, and crime in my own back yard. My vote and discussion don't do any good for china or African nations but do more so for my community.
 
marke said:
I get the impression that you hate me, possibly because of my religion.]
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the hate that spews forth from your posts is more than a tad reprehensible
 
marke said:
You should not hate people just because you think evil of them.
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says the forum member who promotes his unique form of Christianity while posting diatribes against black people
 
OpportunityCost said:
Because H1Bs are to be used after being unable to hire Americans for the position, its a last resort, not a lever to lower wage pressure.

H-1B Visa Employer Requirements - H1B Visa Employer Responsibilities
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There are legal protections in place. H1Bs are not a replacement for US workers, they are when US workers cannot be found. To make this more clear, the workers being hired are supposed to be getting paid prevailing wages to other US employees and not being paid less to undercut wages in a given field.

Lastly, its not just illegal, its unethical. It requires the employer and the employee applying for the H1B to lie if they are paid less.
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No, they are not a last resort. They are a tool for global business that is spread out in multiple countries in order to transfer specialized talent from one branch to another. If a consulting manager is needed for a project in Chicago that speaks Japanese and German, and that employee is based in the London office, you don’t waste time and money going through recruiting to find a qualified individual that’s local.
 
HenryChinaski said:
No, they are not a last resort. They are a tool for global business that is spread out in multiple countries in order to transfer specialized talent from one branch to another. If a consulting manager is needed for a project in Chicago that speaks Japanese and German, and that employee is based in the London office, you don’t waste time and money going through recruiting to find a qualified individual that’s local.
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FFS, that accounts for maybe .05% of H1Bs. That's not even anecdotal, its fictional.
 
OpportunityCost said:
FFS, that accounts for maybe .05% of H1Bs. That's not even anecdotal, its fictional.
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Wrong, I work with I9 onboarding for one of the big 4 accounting firms. We have 4000 employees in our office and roughly 15% are HIB from various worldwide branches. This is a global economy. Corporations that are based throughout the world shuffle their talent where needed.
 
OpportunityCost said:
FFS, that accounts for maybe .05% of H1Bs. That's not even anecdotal, its fictional.
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Large companies do that all the time they often tout the ability to easily move to other countries including the US as a perk all the time.
 
JMaximus said:
They are neither bad nor good.

What is bad is that a country as wealthy and advanced as the US does such a piss-poor job of producing home-grown 'highly skilled' workers that it has to import foreigners to provide what are, in the 21st century, pretty basic services.

Were the US better at cultivating education and skills in its native workforce population, the demand for H1B visas would be so low as to be a non-issue - whether allowed or not.
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That aint it. Its the cost of the skilled labor, period.
 
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