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Trump Used Asian Accent to Mock US Allies at Fundraiser

RedSunRising said:
With all due respect, the sarcasm shtick is a little tiresome/overused. It's about as effective as silly hyperbole. I'm sure there are some people who wish to "scrub away" certain Confederate images. After all, the swastika is illegal in Germany in many contexts; and American slavery was at least as evil as the Holocaust. That doesn't seem to me to be the preeminent opinion among reformists, however, even though it's the preeminent criticism against them. To my understanding, most of the statue crowd just want the Confederate statues removed from places of public and honorable display, like parks and town squares and sidewalks. The proposal I've heard most often is moving them into museums, libraries, etc. I don't think anyone serious has suggested that those images be removed from art, science, research, and education.

I don't particularly care whether people I don't even know think that slaveowners, defenders of slavery, and the mass exterminators of the Native American populations were evil or not. The acts themselves were evil. Your comment about fossil fuels seems unrelated to me.
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Not to those who allege that AGW is now (or soon will be?) directly causing a massive number of deaths. I agree with you that most simply want the context (location?) of the statue display changed, yet the reason for it is no less concerning. Many can (did and rightly do?) object to the US "invasion" of Vietnam but is that just cause to demand the removal "The Wall"? Folks being reminded of 'mistakes' (or even evil deeds) in history is not, IMHO, a bad thing - compared to the alternative of doing all possible to erase public reminders of them.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

Then your sense has betrayed you again. Not the first time?

If I see an issue being reported that is of interest to me, I check in to it.

I'm not triggered by fake, out of context misrepresentations designed for confirmation bias.

You should adopt a similar strategy.

And tell you what newbie, try taking your own advice about posting.
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I really don't understand why you and some others think that it's effective to do what you just did and keep doing. "I'm not triggered by fake, out of context misrepresentations designed for confirmation bias." Neither am I. So despite your many posts, you still haven't managed to make a point.

And since I'm so full of good advice today, from me to you, "LOL" is something that 13-year-old girls text to each other when forwarding internet memes, not a debate tactic.
 
RedSunRising said:
I really don't understand why you and some others think that it's effective to do what you just did and keep doing. "I'm not triggered by fake, out of context misrepresentations designed for confirmation bias." Neither am I. So despite your many posts, you still haven't managed to make a point.

And since I'm so full of good advice today, from me to you, "LOL" is something that 13-year-old girls text to each other when forwarding internet memes, not a debate tactic.
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Why is it that the Internet has produced a decline in rationality amongst people?
 
Oborosen said:
I'm merely playing by your own rules and nothing more.

If you don't like it, then I'd suggest you not do as such yourself.

As simple of an answer as any actually.
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No you're not. You're trying to deflect from the embarrassing and ineffective behavior to the president. Any comparison between me and Trump are totally irrelevant.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Not to those who allege that AGW is now (or soon will be?) directly causing a massive number of deaths. I agree with you that most simply want the context (location?) of the statue display changed, yet the reason for it is no less concerning. Many can (did and rightly do?) object to the US "invasion" of Vietnam but is that just cause to demand the removal "The Wall"? Folks being reminded of 'mistakes' (or even evil deeds) in history is not, IMHO, a bad thing - compared to the alternative of doing all possible to erase public reminders of them.
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I don't live in a state that was involved in the American Civil War and do not have a strong opinion about the statues either way. It seems more appropriate to me to let individual communities make their own decisions, like when Nikki Haley removed the Confederate flag from the SC statehouse grounds. I do think, though, that the Vietnam War Memorial is not like statues of Confederate soldiers. Most people, now if not then, support fallen servicemembers even if they don't support the deployment or use of force. "The Wall" is a memorial to soldiers who died in the military service of the USA. The statues, on the other hand, are memorials to soldiers who died as enemies of the USA and even worse, as defenders of slavery. Again, I don't know that anyone who matters wants to "erase" Confederate figures from history. They just don't want them celebrated in certain public spaces.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Why is it that the Internet has produced a decline in rationality amongst people?
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Good question. I think the anonymity of the internet has unleashed an ocean of lonely, disaffected, and insecure people who can finally express their own worst thoughts and impulses without fear of a meaningful consequence. Suddenly, adults can behave like untrained children for their entire lives because they have an outlet for it that won't cost them in terms of interpersonal relationships or getting punched in the jaw.

I also think the internet has produced a supernova of bad information. Our schools have failed us in effectively teaching critical thought; and our culture has failed us in reinforcing the difference between facts and opinions. This age of anti-intellectualism is, in my opinion, the precise opposite of the age of Enlightenment and I think explains why rationality looks more and more like a unicorn to so many of us.
 
RedSunRising said:
It could be, but given my experience with this site so far, there is no shortage of political bias among any political persuasion here. Maybe the Biden supporters don't start threads about Biden's racism because of political bias, but that doesn't explain why other people don't start them.
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Perhaps, the level of bias (or need to resort to personal attacks?) is not as (equally?) strong as you think (allege it to be?). There is much that Trump (and Obama) said and did which I disagreed with but that did not cause me to hate Trump (or Obama). I have no hate for Biden, I simply think him to be a fool and political hack. In Biden's 45 years of "public service" (mostly legislating) what, exactly, were his major accomplishments?
 
RedSunRising said:
Good question. I think the anonymity of the internet has unleashed an ocean of lonely, disaffected, and insecure people who can finally express their own worst thoughts and impulses without fear of a meaningful consequence. Suddenly, adults can behave like untrained children for their entire lives because they have an outlet for it that won't cost them in terms of interpersonal relationships or getting punched in the jaw.

I also think the internet has produced a supernova of bad information. Our schools have failed us in effectively teaching critical thought; and our culture has failed us in reinforcing the difference between facts and opinions. This age of anti-intellectualism is, in my opinion, the precise opposite of the age of Enlightenment and I think explains why rationality looks more and more like a unicorn to so many of us.
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If anything needs to be cherished and defended at all costs it is the values of the Age of Enlightenment. People seem to be afraid of exploring the unknown or even the possibility of their veiws being rejected, so they shun anything that can contradict their beliefs and live in ignorance.

There is a quote from a video game, Persona 4, that I believe captures this dangerous rejection of intellectualism:

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RedSunRising said:
I don't live in a state that was involved in the American Civil War and do not have a strong opinion about the statues either way. It seems more appropriate to me to let individual communities make their own decisions, like when Nikki Haley removed the Confederate flag from the SC statehouse grounds. I do think, though, that the Vietnam War Memorial is not like statues of Confederate soldiers. Most people, now if not then, support fallen servicemembers even if they don't support the deployment or use of force. "The Wall" is a memorial to soldiers who died in the military service of the USA. The statues, on the other hand, are memorials to soldiers who died as enemies of the USA and even worse, as defenders of slavery. Again, I don't know that anyone who matters wants to "erase" Confederate figures from history. They just don't want them celebrated in certain public spaces.
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Whether one celebrates (or detests) a figure depicted by a statue in a public place is up to them. To make that determination for (all?) others is another matter entirely. I agree with you that it should be up to the local public to make the call as to what is or is not placed (or kept) on public property. One could easily argue that all of those who ratified the Constitution were "defenders of slavery", for denying the vote to women and for allowing states/cities to establish a religion. The fact that 'morality' and public opinion have changed (evolved?) over time does not make those long dead individuals evil for holding views counter to modern culture.
 
Rickeroo said:
I put faux accents, well meaning or not, in the same category as confederate statues and Indian sports team names: Superficial demonstrations of supposed respect or disrespect.
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In an earlier post you wrote "In both cases, I live in an all-white town and thus have a certain 'respect' for blacks, regardless of how I talk to them, or whether that speech is considered mocking, condescending, or polite." and I have a question for you:

"Why would it make any difference if you were talking to "Whites"
or "Blacks"
or "Browns"
or "Yellows"
or "Reds"
or even "Striped-with-polka-dots-all-overs"?
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RedSunRising said:
It could be, but given my experience with this site so far, there is no shortage of political bias among any political persuasion here. Maybe the Biden supporters don't start threads about Biden's racism because of political bias, but that doesn't explain why other people don't start them.
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Have you considered the possibility that if the "A's" start threads about a "B" that does "X" and the "B's" all then rush to defend that "B" on the basis that it really wasn't "X" (or if it was, it was no big deal) AND if the "B's" DO NOT start threads about an "A" who does "X", THEN that just might be because of two factors:
  1. the "A's" are SELECTIVELY blind with respect to "X"; and
  2. the "B's" are TOTALLY blind with respect to "X"?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Perhaps, the level of bias (or need to resort to personal attacks?) is not as (equally?) strong as you think (allege it to be?). There is much that Trump (and Obama) said and did which I disagreed with but that did not cause me to hate Trump (or Obama). I have no hate for Biden, I simply think him to be a fool and political hack. In Biden's 45 years of "public service" (mostly legislating) what, exactly, were his major accomplishments?
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Biden's accomplishments? I have no idea. I don't know very much about him. I'll bother to care if and when I decide to vote in the Democratic primary. That's a long time from now, though, and I try not to spend two years in every election cycle.

I also don't consider condemnation of racism to be a "personal attack" against the racist action nor the person who did it. It's just something that good people do.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I agree with you that most simply want the context (location?) of the statue display changed, yet the reason for it is no less concerning. Many can (did and rightly do?) object to the US "invasion" of Vietnam but is that just cause to demand the removal "The Wall"?
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The Vietnamese (the "winners" in the Vietnam War) just might think that it is while the Americans (the "losers" in the Vietnam War) just might think that it is not.

ttwtt78640 said:
Folks being reminded of 'mistakes' (or even evil deeds) in history is not, IMHO, a bad thing - compared to the alternative of doing all possible to erase public reminders of them.
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A part of the problem is that the monuments DO NOT "remind people of the evils of slavery" (or "the evils of the Vietnam War") they remind people that "even though we lost, our cause was honest and just".
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Why is it that the Internet has produced a decline in rationality amongst people?
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"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room." - Attributed to SOCRATES (469–399 B.C.) by Plato.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If anything needs to be cherished and defended at all costs it is the values of the Age of Enlightenment. People seem to be afraid of exploring the unknown or even the possibility of their veiws being rejected, so they shun anything that can contradict their beliefs and live in ignorance.

There is a quote from a video game, Persona 4, that I believe captures this dangerous rejection of intellectualism:

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I could not agree more. I've been saying that same thing for years. Without logic, reason, truth, fairness, equality, justice, curiosity, and a scientific method, we may as well move back into caves and rub sticks together. Humanity has come so far for so many of us to just **** all over our collective accomplishments and invent realities to comfort our irrational biases.
 
RedSunRising said:
I could not agree more. I've been saying that same thing for years. Without logic, reason, truth, fairness, equality, justice, curiosity, and a scientific method, we may as well move back into caves and rub sticks together. Humanity has come so far for so many of us to just **** all over our collective accomplishments and invent realities to comfort our irrational biases.
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That is why the quote from the game was spoken by one of the villains.

The truth is always out there and it is worth searching for even if one does not know the way.
 
RedSunRising said:
Biden's accomplishments? I have no idea. I don't know very much about him. I'll bother to care if and when I decide to vote in the Democratic primary. That's a long time from now, though, and I try not to spend two years in every election cycle.

I also don't consider condemnation of racism to be a "personal attack" against the racist action nor the person who did it. It's just something that good people do.
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They are not good people when they do so selectively, based on political bias - they are simply partisan hacks.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Whether one celebrates (or detests) a figure depicted by a statue in a public place is up to them. To make that determination for (all?) others is another matter entirely. I agree with you that it should be up to the local public to make the call as to what is or is not placed (or kept) on public property. One could easily argue that all of those who ratified the Constitution were "defenders of slavery", for denying the vote to women and for allowing states/cities to establish a religion. The fact that 'morality' and public opinion have changed (evolved?) over time does not make those long dead individuals evil for holding views counter to modern culture.
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Forcing a statue into a community's public spaces is the exact same thing as prohibiting them. If one appeals to you more than the other, that's nothing more than a bias.

An argument that the ratifiers of the Constitution are comparable to soldiers of the Confederate Army would be, in my opinion, ridiculous. You've applied the word "evil" to individuals twice; and twice I've clarified that the actions of the individuals were evil.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Have you considered the possibility that if the "A's" start threads about a "B" that does "X" and the "B's" all then rush to defend that "B" on the basis that it really wasn't "X" (or if it was, it was no big deal) AND if the "B's" DO NOT start threads about an "A" who does "X", THEN that just might be because of two factors:
  1. the "A's" are SELECTIVELY blind with respect to "X"; and
  2. the "B's" are TOTALLY blind with respect to "X"?
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Could be. I don't pretend to know the intentions of every poster. Some are just more obvious about it than others.
 
NeverTrump said:
How Trump supporters can be so dismissive to internet posters who they claim do the same things Trump does, is unbelievable.
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Well, we do have you and your ilk to show us the wrong way to think....
 
smallvoice said:
Learned EVERYTHING. Just don't believe the lefties.At all.
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So what was it he learned that told him it was okay to walk into a dressing room full of undressed teenage girls?
 
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