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Trump administration says it won't approve Roundup cancer-warning labels

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Roundup labels: Trump administration says it won't approve glyphosate warning labels - CBS News


The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says it will no longer approve labels warning glyphosate is known to cause cancer. The chemical, marketed as a weed killer by Monsanto under the brand Roundup, is currently the focus of lawsuits from thousands of consumers alleging it caused their cancers.


Also from CBS News:

Monsanto lawsuit: Roundup manufacturer Bayer proposes $8 billion settlement, report says - CBS News

These two actions don t seem to square.....
 
Remember though, the govenrment thinks marijuana use is bad and should be illegal, but it's perfectly fine and legal to spray a possible carcinogen around the public.
 
Rexedgar said:
Roundup labels: Trump administration says it won't approve glyphosate warning labels - CBS News


The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says it will no longer approve labels warning glyphosate is known to cause cancer. The chemical, marketed as a weed killer by Monsanto under the brand Roundup, is currently the focus of lawsuits from thousands of consumers alleging it caused their cancers.


Also from CBS News:

Monsanto lawsuit: Roundup manufacturer Bayer proposes $8 billion settlement, report says - CBS News

These two actions don t seem to square.....
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Well, it helps to keep in mind that twump is a whore, desperately trying to curry favor with various industry pimps.

It's how he derives his self-worth.
 
Same type of people who said cigarettes, asbestos, and lead don't cause cancer.
 
Geoist said:
Same type of people who said cigarettes, asbestos, and lead don't cause cancer.
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Hmm ... you know ... cigarette packs carry the cancer warning mandated by the federal government. If they play their cards right, I bet cigarette manufacturers could get that pesky warning off their product, too.sarcasm sign big bang.jpg
 
Rexedgar said:
Roundup labels: Trump administration says it won't approve glyphosate warning labels - CBS News


The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says it will no longer approve labels warning glyphosate is known to cause cancer. The chemical, marketed as a weed killer by Monsanto under the brand Roundup, is currently the focus of lawsuits from thousands of consumers alleging it caused their cancers.


Also from CBS News:

Monsanto lawsuit: Roundup manufacturer Bayer proposes $8 billion settlement, report says - CBS News

These two actions don t seem to square.....
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The question is whether it was the proper handling of the product that caused cancer or the improper handling of the product. Even if we shut down all industry in this country we still could not avoid all the cancer causing substances out there. I think every thing we eat or drink has been in prevention magazine as deadly at one time or another.

How many of us older folks used to syphon leaded gas and got a mouthful back when it still OK. Or pumped gas as a teenager and sat behind many a running car breathing the fumes while the cars were still running. I worked with PVC glue my whole life being exposed to VOC. I painted cars with my uncle and we had no mask as we were spraying toluene, benzine, and every cancer causing chemical out there. I scraped asbestos off of steam pipes and coal furnaces working with my dad and with my uncles. I still remember the cloud of white dust floating in the air. My dad still does not have cancer after breathing in every dangerous carcinogen out there his whole life. He is 85 and other than dementia he is in perfect health. His younger brother died at 43 from cancer and was the least exposed of all of us. I think some people are more susceptible to the ill effects than others.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The question is whether it was the proper handling of the product that caused cancer or the improper handling of the product. Even if we shut down all industry in this country we still could not avoid all the cancer causing substances out there. I think every thing we eat or drink has been in prevention magazine as deadly at one time or another.

How many of us older folks used to syphon leaded gas and got a mouthful back when it still OK. Or pumped gas as a teenager and sat behind many a running car breathing the fumes while the cars were still running. I worked with PVC glue my whole life being exposed to VOC. I painted cars with my uncle and we had no mask as we were spraying toluene, benzine, and every cancer causing chemical out there. I scraped asbestos off of steam pipes and coal furnaces working with my dad and with my uncles. I still remember the cloud of white dust floating in the air. My dad still does not have cancer after breathing in every dangerous carcinogen out there his whole life. He is 85 and other than dementia he is in perfect health. His younger brother died at 43 from cancer and was the least exposed of all of us. I think some people are more susceptible to the ill effects than others.
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You miss the point that Bayer is onboard with about 8 billion in settlement money. Bayer, :”we have a problem,” EPA, “no you dont!”
 
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Rexedgar said:
You miss the point that Bayer is onboard with about 8 billion in settlement money. Bayer, :”we have a problem,” EPA, “no you dont!”
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The point is it is cheaper to pay off idiots that fight for what is right. I know an idiot who set up a ladder on ice and the ladder slid down. He sued and the ladder company settled. Not because the idiot who set up the ladder on ice was justified in his law suite. The ladder co. settled because it knows that there are just as many idiots on the average jury as the person who set up the ladder on ice.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The point is it is cheaper to pay off idiots that fight for what is right. I know an idiot who set up a ladder on ice and the ladder slid down. He sued and the ladder company settled. Not because the idiot who set up the ladder on ice was justified in his law suite. The ladder co. settled because it knows that there are just as many idiots on the average jury as the person who set up the ladder on ice.
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.....and that’s why you can’t find room for a postage stamp on a modern ladder!


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Praxas said:
Remember though, the govenrment thinks marijuana use is bad and should be illegal, but it's perfectly fine and legal to spray a possible carcinogen around the public.
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Rather than directly inhaling a carcinogen?
 
Taylor said:
Rather than directly inhaling a carcinogen?
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Tobacco has carcinogens in it as well and is legal so what’s your point?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The question is whether it was the proper handling of the product that caused cancer or the improper handling of the product. Even if we shut down all industry in this country we still could not avoid all the cancer causing substances out there. I think every thing we eat or drink has been in prevention magazine as deadly at one time or another.

How many of us older folks used to syphon leaded gas and got a mouthful back when it still OK. Or pumped gas as a teenager and sat behind many a running car breathing the fumes while the cars were still running. I worked with PVC glue my whole life being exposed to VOC. I painted cars with my uncle and we had no mask as we were spraying toluene, benzine, and every cancer causing chemical out there. I scraped asbestos off of steam pipes and coal furnaces working with my dad and with my uncles. I still remember the cloud of white dust floating in the air. My dad still does not have cancer after breathing in every dangerous carcinogen out there his whole life. He is 85 and other than dementia he is in perfect health. His younger brother died at 43 from cancer and was the least exposed of all of us. I think some people are more susceptible to the ill effects than others.
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Your fallacy is this: Since these risk factors don't kill 100%, they are not a risk.

My FIL smoked a pack a day for over 60 years. He's now 85. Does that, in your mind, prove that smoking is not a risk factor for emphysema, hypertension, stroke, heart attack or lung cancer? The millions of data points we have over the past 3/4 century says otherwise. But that's science and everyone knows we can't trust science. They are always changing what they say.
 
Praxas said:
Tobacco has carcinogens in it as well and is legal so what’s your point?
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Read your earlier post and and my response and try again.
 
he'll probably insist on putting tetraethyl lead back in gasoline next.
 
Trump and EPA Director Andrew Wheeler have turned the EPA into an emasculated regulator for the benefit of the fossil-fuel, chemical, and mining industries.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Your fallacy is this: Since these risk factors don't kill 100%, they are not a risk.

My FIL smoked a pack a day for over 60 years. He's now 85. Does that, in your mind, prove that smoking is not a risk factor for emphysema, hypertension, stroke, heart attack or lung cancer? The millions of data points we have over the past 3/4 century says otherwise. But that's science and everyone knows we can't trust science. They are always changing what they say.
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That just goes back to intended use. The science is inconclusive when it comes to the intended (or otherwise) use of the product. Instead there’s just a smattering of civil suits from people like Leonard Tierney who more or less admitted to spraying himself in the face with it for 18 years. This, even though the existing label clearly says “Do not apply this product in a way that will contact workers or other persons, either directly or through drift.”
 
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Taylor said:
Read your earlier post and and my response and try again.
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Do packs of cigarettes have warning labels on them? Why yes they do. So should round up. Your trumps epa wants to do away with that. Support trumptards vision all you want, it just shows why your Trumptard is unfit to lead themselves out of a wet paper bag.
 
Rexedgar said:
Roundup labels: Trump administration says it won't approve glyphosate warning labels - CBS News


The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says it will no longer approve labels warning glyphosate is known to cause cancer. The chemical, marketed as a weed killer by Monsanto under the brand Roundup, is currently the focus of lawsuits from thousands of consumers alleging it caused their cancers.


Also from CBS News:

Monsanto lawsuit: Roundup manufacturer Bayer proposes $8 billion settlement, report says - CBS News

These two actions don t seem to square.....
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There are many things that can cause cancer.
Some of the hundred items include tobacco smoking, sunlamps and sun beds, there are many lawsuits against Johnson and Johnson for talcum powder use, second hand smoke, exposure as a painter, alcoholic beverages, diesel exhaust, Chinese style salted fish, soots, wood dust, outdoor air pollution, processed meat to name a few most people used or exposed to.
The company is just settling to get rid of the cases rather than have a jury decide the value.
 
Rexedgar said:
.....and that’s why you can’t find room for a postage stamp on a modern ladder!


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That won't help anyway. The next idiot won't be able to read and will win anyway. Blame the ladder, the gun, the beer manufacturer, and anyone else but the person who is actually to blame. Oh and don't forget to give them their trophy.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Your fallacy is this: Since these risk factors don't kill 100%, they are not a risk.

My FIL smoked a pack a day for over 60 years. He's now 85. Does that, in your mind, prove that smoking is not a risk factor for emphysema, hypertension, stroke, heart attack or lung cancer? The millions of data points we have over the past 3/4 century says otherwise. But that's science and everyone knows we can't trust science. They are always changing what they say.
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I did not say that. Go back and read the last line again.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Well, it helps to keep in mind that twump is a whore, desperately trying to curry favor with various industry pimps.

It's how he derives his self-worth.
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Exactly.
 
Praxas said:
Do packs of cigarettes have warning labels on them? Why yes they do. So should round up.
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There is no scientifically proven link between Round Up and cancer so why should it have a label?
 
Praxas said:
Sure there is:

Roundup Cancer Study Summaries | Glyphosate Linked to Health Issues
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Except there isn’t. The scientific consensus is that glyphosate is not a carcinogen. Where the alleged health issues arise is in cases where people do not follow the instructions on the product label and expose their skin to or inhale large quantities over a long period of time. But even those cases are inconclusive because the researchers failed to consider other factors. The best you can say for those cases is that it’s correlative but not proven to be causative.
 
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