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Jeffrey Epstein, accused sex trafficker, dies by suicide: Officials

ocean515 said:
The list of people who in recent years who have been tied to him represents some serious players on the world stage. It takes almost no energy whatsoever to think they had the power and connections to pave the way for this quite conventient end to Epstein's life.

That can't be ignored.

It's possible he actually killed himself, but how does a guy on suicide watch commit suicide?
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You ask too many questions. There's nothing to see here. Move along. If you know what's good for you.
 
LouC said:
As Right Wing darling Michelle Malkin would say if a lefty had committed suicide, "Boo Freaking Hoo!"

The world is a better place now and that has saved so much money for the courts and the prison system.
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*The world is a better place now and that has saved so much money for the courts and the prison system.*

Except there were other rich and powerful involved and they're still walking around.
 
Renae said:
I expect a special council to be called for before the end of the weekend, demanding to investigate how Trump killed Epstein.
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Not far fetched. The NDP's media partners will likely be fully engaged spreading the fairy tale that Trump had Epstein killed. No question at all.

And their shills on this site will be in overdrive.

The next act of the liberal circus has become very simple to predict.
 
Maybe if he wasn't guilty himself perhaps Obese Donald had Epstein silenced as a favor for some of his rich donors or Marred-A-Lago friends who needed Epstein silenced?

Remember Epstein's fate, one way or another, was in the hands of Obese Donald's DoJ!
 
I guess he preferred to go instead of staying in prison for the rest of his life. I dont blame him for that.
 
lurchadams said:
Yeah, no way was it suicide, IMO. I'm also guessing whatever surveillance video that exists is going to be magically destroyed.
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For all those claiming conspiracy theories, I'm being cautious here. He tried to commit suicide before and was "on watch," which is laughable and that guard who was watching him should be fired. This dude had a quiet ego the size of NYC and has spent weeks realizing that his old life is over. Plus the FBI are going through thousands of his records, probably embarrassing to be leaked to other people not in his circle. Not to mention pictures and videos found in the safes. He also lost his bail and the right to go back to his comfy mansion...

He's been able to live his life in secret by blackmailing the rich and famous and some of those names were just released to the public. They were warned that people were not going to have a good weekend after that list was released. Maybe these are new names he didn't want released...Plus he has the distinction of being the most famous pedophile in jail which couldn't have gone over well with the majority of that population. All this stuff crashing down on a person and what do you think you would have done? I'm not defending him, I just think the man was already fragile even before jail. It wouldn't have taken much to make him snap.
 
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Heard he hung himself. How does that happen when you are on suicide watch. Something seems off here....
 
This sounds like something right out of a James Patterson novel. I bet the team from "Women's Murder Club" could get to the bottom of this.
 
LouC said:
The relationship may, or may not, have ended years ago but did the statute of limitations end then?

Did the potential harm of what Epstein knew end back then, or now, with his suicide?

Remember his fate was in Federal Hands and Trump's DoJ.
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His estate would certainly be on the hook for any civil action, if evidence exists that Epstein himself engaged in illegal activity.

Whether that evidence is sufficient to indict these additional powerful people, beyond just claims by potential victims, is the issue.

If no solid evidence exists, and it's just a victims word, the potential for conviction would likely be reduced substantially.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Uh, sure he did. It was a suicide. That's our story and we're sticking to it.
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Haven't heard the word yet on the level of suicide watch he was on. This happens so often. An obvious case for 24hr suicide watch that ends in suicide.
 
ocean515 said:
According to my attorney spouse, the problem will be proving the claims, as Epstein will no longer face the witness stand, and the veracity of the claims of his victims could be challenged.

A bunch of very powerful people, potentially including a former President, may have escaped justice with this VERY convenient "suicide".
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True but the documentation, his madam... There are ways.
 
hanger4 said:
*The world is a better place now and that has saved so much money for the courts and the prison system.*

Except there were other rich and powerful involved and they're still walking around.
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Crunching one cockroach at a time is all we sometimes get.

Life is not always totally fair, but in this case, I'll take what we got.
 
PoS said:
I guess he preferred to go instead of staying in prison for the rest of his life. I dont blame him for that.
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If there is a GOD he merely hastened his trip to Hell, so there is that, to give us solace.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here: If anyone close to Epstein suddenly goes missing (a prison guard, a lawyer, an employee, etc.) or a key document or two suddenly disappears, you can bet the farm this was not a suicide.
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But would we even get told about it? If media moguls were involved in that scandal - and I don't doubt that for a minute -, I would think that information like that will be suppressed.
 
LouC said:
Maybe if he wasn't guilty himself perhaps Obese Donald had Epstein silenced as a favor for some of his rich donors or Marred-A-Lago friends who needed Epstein silenced?

Remember Epstein's fate, one way or another, was in the hands of Obese Donald's DoJ!
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I'm guessing a sympathetic guard helped him commit suicide.. It's happened before.

And his fate wan't entirely in the hands of the DOJ. NYS was going to get involved too. With or without pardons and a friendly DOJ, Epstein was going to spend the rest of his life in jail.
 
NeverTrump said:
For all those claiming conspiracy theories, I'm being cautious here. He tried to commit suicide before and was "on watch," which is laughable and that guard who was watching him should be fired. This dude had a quiet ego the size of NYC and has spent weeks realizing that his old life is over. Plus the FBI are going through thousands of his records, probably embarrassing to be leaked to other people not in his circle. Not to mention pictures and videos found in the safes. He also lost his bail and the right to go back to his comfy mansion...

He's been able to live his life in secret by blackmailing the rich and famous and some of those names were just released to the public. They were warned that people were not going to have a good weekend after that list was released. Maybe these are new names he didn't want released...Plus he has the distinction of being the most famous pedophile in jail which couldn't have gone over well with the majority of that population. All this stuff crashing down on a person and what do you think you would have done? I'm not defending him, I just think the man was already fragile even before jail. It wouldn't have taken much to make him snap.
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But conspiracy theorizing is so much freaking fun! I avoided it for years and years and years, used to work hard to debunk them, then one day I said "Lou, why are you swimming up stream, all the fun fish are still in the ocean."

So here I am!
 
ocean515 said:
Not far fetched. The NDP's media partners will likely be fully engaged spreading the fairy tale that Trump had Epstein killed. No question at all.

And their shills on this site will be in overdrive.

The next act of the liberal circus has become very simple to predict.
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And on cue ... the post following this one is exactly what you just said. :lol:
 
Renae said:
This won't stop the digging, the investigations. He took the cowards way out, but he just went from the frying pan to the fire IMHO.
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I think you're right here. Epstein has been removed from the picture, either voluntarily or not, but the investigation won't end. There are a lot of documents and video tapes seized from Epstein's NY mansion, and now the women who had been trafficked are more likely to come forward now that he's dead.

An autopsy will prove the cause of death whether it was by hanging or suffocation. There were bruises found around his neck after the last 'suicide' attempt last month. In about 95% of strangulation there's telltale signs of hanging such as small petechial hemorrhage, little pinpoint purple blood spots, that form in the eyes when someone hangs themselves. An autopsy will undoubtedly inspect for purple areas on his neck that may be caused by fingers putting pressure on his carotid arteries. They will also look under his fingernails for any type of skin cells since someone being strangled put up a good fight and may scratch their assailant.

If he hung himself, that leaves a lot of questions to be asked of the security staff there since he was on suicide watch. If he was murdered in his cell it's obvious that it would have to be someone on the inside that murdered him. But either way, dead is dead and he's in hell for eternity now, if there is a hell.
 
NeverTrump said:
For all those claiming conspiracy theories, I'm being cautious here. He tried to commit suicide before and was "on watch," which is laughable and that guard who was watching him should be fired. This dude had a quiet ego the size of NYC and has spent weeks realizing that his old life is over. Plus the FBI are going through thousands of his records, probably embarrassing to be leaked to other people not in his circle. Not to mention pictures and videos found in the safes. He also lost his bail and the right to go back to his comfy mansion...

He's been able to live his life in secret by blackmailing the rich and famous and some of those names were just released to the public. They were warned that people were not going to have a good weekend after that list was released. Maybe these are new names he didn't want released...Plus he has the distinction of being the most famous pedophile in jail which couldn't have gone over well with the majority of that population. All this stuff crashing down on a person and what do you think you would have done? I'm not defending him, I just think the man was already fragile even before jail. It wouldn't have taken much to make him snap.
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That's motive.


Now, means and opportunity...
 
SheWolf said:
What evidence do you have to suggest he was murdered?
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He is confirmed dead would be the first bit of evidence.

It was under suspicious circumstances, that cannot be denied.

Has a coroner ruled out murder yet?
 
ocean515 said:
According to my attorney spouse, the problem will be proving the claims, as Epstein will no longer face the witness stand, and the veracity of the claims of his victims could be challenged.

A bunch of very powerful people, potentially including a former President, may have escaped justice with this VERY convenient "suicide".
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You conveniently forgot current President.
 
SheWolf said:
What evidence do you have to suggest he was murdered?
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He was involved with politicians, he committed suicide, so the politicians killed him and covered it up by making it look like a suicide.

There like 8,532 people who suffered a similar fate.
 
lurchadams said:
Yeah, no way was it suicide, IMO. I'm also guessing whatever surveillance video that exists is going to be magically destroyed.
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I could see him wanting to commit suicide. A lot of people in his situation do exactly that. He was defamed, lost everything, and never going to walk free
 
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