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Change food production and stop abusing land, major climate report warns

As far as I am concerned, we keep eating meat and just crank up the AC a little. If we can't eat meat then life ain't worth living in the first place.

Well, with trump ending protections for the last great salmon run in Alaska, I expect other animals will soon be going the way of the party of extinction.

The republicans are literally allowing the destruction of a natural resource so some **** in Alaska can make a few bucks. One guy makes millions, all of us lose out, but it's ok. We dont need natural resources anyway.
 
We are coming closer to a point where mankind can't feed itself. The UN jackasses need to STFU; in fact the UN needs to be closed down so Trump can build another casino/hotel complex there.

I am not sure that is really the case but we could do better.
 
That’s... not true.

But you don’t really care about truth, do ya?

Are Volcanoes or Humans Harder on the Atmosphere? - Scientific American

according to the IPCC.

and well you didn't honestly address what i said. i said Nature. there is more to nature than just volcanoes.
out of the 750-770 giga tons of CO2 humans only contribute about 30 to that total.
nature contributes the rest with the ocean being the number 1 in that regard.

So out of all CO2 released into the atmosphere we produce very little of it in regards to the total.
 
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There is no doubt about how much warming is generated directly by CO2. The only real question at this time is the impact of cloud feedbacks -- and even at the lowest estimate, the damage will be significant, as you can see in the IPCC 1.5C report.
https://report.ipcc.ch/sr15/pdf/sr15_spm_final.pdf

"The only question"? Do you have any idea how large cloud feedbacks are? The uncertainty injected by cloud albedo is a majority of the assumed 3.0C variation in prediction. :roll:

Moreover, with cloud development being so poorly understood, there is no way to extract CO2 contribution to paleo climate as a cause versus CO2 as an effect, let alone any sane guess at what the climate actually was. Until around 1960 or so there was practically no data on the entire southern hemisphere of the planet. Without sound paleo climate records, including the forcings that created those climates, let alone full global data before 1960, there is no rational way to conclude any "record" setting climates rtoday. THose who sell you that bull**** just count of you differing to them.

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Yes, the additional heat is a result of feedback mechanisms. Yes, we have already seen feedbacks kicking in. No, they are not "poorly guessed" -- again, the only real source of uncertainty now is with cloud feedbacks. In fact, many feedbacks are happening sooner than expected, such as melting permafrost.

They absolutely are poorly guessed. The clue is the 3.0C of uncertainty. That is not the indicator of "well known" feedbacks. Tell, me, how do they model of paleo cloud albedo? (Hint: They Can't) :roll:


So one minute it's all "estimates" and "they don't know!", but when you believe it supports your denier position, suddenly you're the expert and we know everything. Convenient

I'm just here pointing out the holes in the propaganda that you pretend makes your smarter.

Back in the real world: The changes in cloud formation are a result of other events -- that's why it is a feedback. In addition, the effect of clouds is complex and varies greatly on latitude and altitude. E.g. clouds high in the atmosphere generally result in more warming, dense clouds lower in the atmosphere cause cooling; clouds made of ice have a different effect than those made of water droplets; clouds lower in the atmosphere above the Tropics reflect more light than at the poles... And as you noted, we don't have proxy data, so we don't know how much of past warming was due to cloud feedbacks. Hence the aforementioned uncertainty.

Nothing you said there is true. In fact, it is pretty much the exact opposite. High altitude clouds reflect a lot of the sun's light before it can ever contribute to the planet's climate, and the high altitude means that there is little in the way of atmosphere to prevent it. These clouds are not what you would really consider clouds, we perceive them largely as how blue sky is. Thick low altitude clouds act as a blanket and trap heat at the surface, and at the top reflect solar energy back to the upper atmosphere which contributes to upper atmosphere heating.

Those you listen to claim no way to model high altitude clouds.. but for good reason, it is the one forcing model that could actually be tested in real time.
 
"The only question"? Do you have any idea how large cloud feedbacks are? The uncertainty injected by cloud albedo is a majority of the assumed 3.0C variation in prediction. :roll:

Moreover, with cloud development being so poorly understood, there is no way to extract CO2 contribution to paleo climate as a cause versus CO2 as an effect, let alone any sane guess at what the climate actually was. Until around 1960 or so there was practically no data on the entire southern hemisphere of the planet. Without sound paleo climate records, including the forcings that created those climates, let alone full global data before 1960, there is no rational way to conclude any "record" setting climates rtoday. THose who sell you that bull**** just count of you differing to them.



They absolutely are poorly guessed. The clue is the 3.0C of uncertainty. That is not the indicator of "well known" feedbacks. Tell, me, how do they model of paleo cloud albedo? (Hint: They Can't) :roll:




I'm just here pointing out the holes in the propaganda that you pretend makes your smarter.



Nothing you said there is true. In fact, it is pretty much the exact opposite. High altitude clouds reflect a lot of the sun's light before it can ever contribute to the planet's climate, and the high altitude means that there is little in the way of atmosphere to prevent it. These clouds are not what you would really consider clouds, we perceive them largely as how blue sky is. Thick low altitude clouds act as a blanket and trap heat at the surface, and at the top reflect solar energy back to the upper atmosphere which contributes to upper atmosphere heating.

Those you listen to claim no way to model high altitude clouds.. but for good reason, it is the one forcing model that could actually be tested in real time.

You guys dont even realize how full of **** you sound.


It's truly pathetic.
 
IPCC report: Change food production and stop abusing land to halt climate crisis
- CNN






There you go- first they demanded that fossil fuels be banned (and some idiotic European countries are already taking steps to do this), now they are telling you what to eat and what to plant.

The UN does this by scaremongering and using pseudo science. There is no proof that manmade CO2 is responsible for climate change, despite their false propaganda of consensus (which isnt recognized by science) and appeals to authority. Let us not forget more than 30 years of failed predictions too. Do not be deceived by this scam. We cannot control climate, no matter how many lies they tell you.

I read about this online and popped a gasket. So now they say we need to stop eating so much animal protein. The closest thing that can provide the protein the body needs outside of animal protein is beans. I don't know about you PoS but when people eat beans it increases their flatulence. You know what else increases flatulence? An overload of vegetables. People who eat a lot of broccoli, bok choy, Brussel sprouts and on and on are farting persons. How long will it be before the UN calls for regulating human flatulence? This is insanity.
 
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First, a definition of "quantitive data"....

"...In natural and social sciences, and sometimes in other fields, quantitative research is the systematic empirical investigation of observable phenomena via statistical, mathematical, or computational techniques.

Quantitative research - Wikipedia

...AKA..."estimates and climate modeling."
That data is based on modeling (as Ive said before) and not on actual meteorological information.

The IPCC report is the quantitative researched data. Only an idiot would try to refute it without any evidence like you're doing.

What evidence do you have that disproves the IPCC report and that human caused pollution and emissions isn't responsible for climate change?

lolwhut? The IPCC report is nothing more than a prediction based on a hypothesis that hasnt been confirmed.

Demands study.

Gets it, and demands more.

Gets an entire review of the wolds literature, curated by experts, and says it’s too much.
What literature? Show me.

I read about this online and popped a gasket. So now they say we need to stop eating so much animal protein. The closest thing that can provide the protein the body needs outside of animal protein is beans. I don't know about you PoS but when people eat beans it increases their flatulence. You know what else increases flatulence? An overload of vegetables. People who eat a lot of broccoli, bok choy, Brussel sprouts and on and on are farting persons. How long will it be before the UN calls for regulating human flatulence? This is insanity.

Oh they'll eventually ban veggies based on flatulence as well since it goes against their concept of zero carbon emissions, thats how crazy it all is.
 
according to the IPCC.

and well you didn't honestly address what i said. i said Nature. there is more to nature than just volcanoes.
out of the 750-770 giga tons of CO2 humans only contribute about 30 to that total.
nature contributes the rest with the ocean being the number 1 in that regard.

So out of all CO2 released into the atmosphere we produce very little of it in regards to the total.

You said volcanoes. Now you backtrack to an even stupider position.

Natural CO2 production is a stable cycle. It’s the excess CO2 that’s the problem.

That’s like freshman HS earth science class.

Sad you haven’t progressed that far.
 
That data is based on modeling (as Ive said before) and not on actual meteorological information.



lolwhut? The IPCC report is nothing more than a prediction based on a hypothesis that hasnt been confirmed.


What literature? Show me.



Oh they'll eventually ban veggies based on flatulence as well since it goes against their concept of zero carbon emissions, thats how crazy it all is.

IPCC — Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
 
Much of the ecosystem related matters can be managed through best practices. There is some indication that the presence of livestock can greatly improve soil fertility. It may be a matter of how many heads a small farmer has as opposed to how many smithfield hams has.

Of course monocropping is generally bad no matter how you measure it other than in terms of profits.

Artificial fertilizer from natgas is succeeding at yielding more and more produce that contains less and less nutrients.
At some point, we have to start putting things back INTO the ground from which we get all that produce or pretty soon we might as well eat cardboard cutouts of tomatoes instead of real ones.
 
You said volcanoes. Now you backtrack to an even stupider position.

Natural CO2 production is a stable cycle. It’s the excess CO2 that’s the problem.

That’s like freshman HS earth science class.

Sad you haven’t progressed that far.

see this is what happens when you are dishonest and can't or only partial quote people.

I said in my statement that nature produces 95-97% of co2.
I then made a separate statement that a volcanic explosion can produce more co2 than humans
which is true.

also your article doesn't match what i said either. I never said anything about it contributing more than humans
have forever. that would be a foolish statement however a 1 volcano eruption does produce more than what humans
produce in a few years.

your entire post was nothing but dishonest and hackish but that is what we expect.
CO2 is CO2.

nature doesn't go we will absorb this co2 but not that co2.
not how it works.

yes it is sad that you are so dishonest but we expect that from you and always have.
 
This is where you, and science are wrong. You clearly don't understand what evidence is. Evidence is anything that supports or is convenient to one's preconceived beliefs or what one wants to be true. You seem to have some misguided idea that evidence involves facts or reality. Grow up.

I think it's kind of hilarious that POS doesn't know you're joking and likes your post because that's what he actually thinks.
 
There are more and more alternatives to meat like the Impossible Foods and Beyond Meats burgers.

Burger King, TGI Fridays among chains that sell plant-based meat - Business Insider

While you also have traditional cuisines like the Mediterranean and Indian that have a lot of delicious dishes with less or no meat.

Also that the evidence of manmade global warming is so overwhelming that even federal agencies under Donald Trump and fossil fuel companies have to acknowledge the urgent need for action.

Fourth National Climate Assessment

Statements on Paris climate agreement | ExxonMobil
 
No, I'm really not.

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So it's years across the bottom and the width of tree rings on the vertical. It's bristlecone pine, a tree that can live up to 5,000 years.

You can see something happened around 1800 that made the tree rings wider. The only thing you'll find that's on a big enough scale is the Industrial Revolution. The Industrial Revolution pumped out enough CO2 that it warmed the planet and caused more rain to fall where the bristlecone pines live, making their tree rings wider.
 
see this is what happens when you are dishonest and can't or only partial quote people.

I said in my statement that nature produces 95-97% of co2.
I then made a separate statement that a volcanic explosion can produce more co2 than humans
which is true.

also your article doesn't match what i said either. I never said anything about it contributing more than humans
have forever. that would be a foolish statement however a 1 volcano eruption does produce more than what humans
produce in a few years.

your entire post was nothing but dishonest and hackish but that is what we expect.
CO2 is CO2.

nature doesn't go we will absorb this co2 but not that co2.
not how it works.

yes it is sad that you are so dishonest but we expect that from you and always have.

LOL.

Hard time reading things?
The SA link I sent you to, which you apparently read but could not comprehend, says:


“According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world's volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide.”

Maybe you don’t know the difference between ‘million’ and ‘billion’?
 
Here we see the real core of the science denial mentality. It isn't that you actually understand the science or have spent any considerable amount of time studying the evidence, it's because you simply do not like the proposed solutions so you reject the science and evidence outright.

If the solution to climate change was to just install a $5 CO2 scrubber and had no effect on your life or habits, you nutters wouldn't be so virulently opposed to the evidence. You don't want to change any aspect of your lifestyle so you will actively reject any evidence that suggests you should. The science is independent of your feelings and wishes.

You’re right, people would entertain you if you were demanding 5 dollar as seen on TV machines.

Instead the global elite is calling for the genocide of billions of people (which is what truly cutting carbon emissions would be) and a return to pre-industrial life that was hellishly brutal and short.

I’ll take the +2 c thank you very much
 
So, based upon your vast knowledge on the subject, you don't think there is a climate crisis?

There is no climate crisis.

My life has not gotten worse in any measurable way because of the climate
 
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So it's years across the bottom and the width of tree rings on the vertical. It's bristlecone pine, a tree that can live up to 5,000 years.

You can see something happened around 1800 that made the tree rings wider. The only thing you'll find that's on a big enough scale is the Industrial Revolution. The Industrial Revolution pumped out enough CO2 that it warmed the planet and caused more rain to fall where the bristlecone pines live, making their tree rings wider.

Well, no, the problem with the "Trees are Thermometers" hypothesis is that the data is absurd (in some cases basing entire geographical regions on one tree), and it is literally impossible to remove the noise of local variability from any such data set.
 
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