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Change food production and stop abusing land, major climate report warns

Lord of Planar said:
They are cherry picked papers that support the agenda. There are plenty of papers that show otherwise.
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Yet reviews of the literature show... that the bulk of our understanding shows that CO2 doubling will lead to 3 degrees of warming.

I know you don’t understand what a literature review is- that’s the kinda stuff you learn in advanced college science classes- but it’s about as clear as day.
 
Threegoofs said:
Yet reviews of the literature show... that the bulk of our understanding shows that CO2 doubling will lead to 3 degrees of warming.

I know you don’t understand what a literature review is- that’s the kinda stuff you learn in advanced college science classes- but it’s about as clear as day.
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Consensus does not make science. Most of the more recent science, and all that includes a better understanding of the solar variables, show a lower sensitivity to CO2.

This has been repeatedly discussed in the past, but you prove to be a denier of science.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Consensus does not make science. Most of the more recent science, and all that includes a better understanding of the solar variables, show a lower sensitivity to CO2.

This has been repeatedly discussed in the past, but you prove to be a denier of science.
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Consensus tells you where the science is. Most of the recent science does not show lower CO2 sensitivity, although to be fair, most of the crap that’s publicized by the denier blogs you pretend not to read is showing low ECS.

It’s quite clear what most of the experts thing. It’s delusional to pretend there’s some alternative silent viewpoint when it’s absolutely clear what people who do this for a living believe.
 
Threegoofs said:
Consensus tells you where the science is. Most of the recent science does not show lower CO2 sensitivity, although to be fair, most of the crap that’s publicized by the denier blogs you pretend not to read is showing low ECS.

It’s quite clear what most of the experts thing. It’s delusional to pretend there’s some alternative silent viewpoint when it’s absolutely clear what people who do this for a living believe.
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I see you choose to remain in that tiny box.

OK. Not my problem.
 
PoS said:
Bull****. Consensus isnt science. Not even close.
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I didn’t say it IS science..it’s the best summary of the known science.

When you get admitted to the hospital, tell them you don’t need all their consensus BS.

Because it’s quite clear that following consensus guidelines will allow you to leave it alive, rather than dead or disabled.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I see you link punditry instead of the actual paper, or quotes from the paper.

I see you are easily duped.
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That study was of a compilation of all the pear reviewed papers available at that time.

When you ignore a study like that you are at the point you are just ignoring facts.
 
Threegoofs said:
You didn’t read the link?

The lead author of BEST, which was the topic...
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All BEST did was confirm the results of other scientists using the same proxy measurements. I have explained how they cherry picked proxies before. The west African ocean sediments, I went in detail on some time back. There were more core samples showing cooling than warming, and they used only the samples showing warming.
 
Lord of Planar said:
All BEST did was confirm the results of other scientists using the same proxy measurements. I have explained how they cherry picked proxies before. The west African ocean sediments, I went in detail on some time back. There were more core samples showing cooling than warming, and they used only the samples showing warming.
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Again, not my point, but this is also hilariously wrong, being that BEST had nothing to do with proxy data.

You show, once again, a fantastic ability to set the DK curve.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Remember that the people that are denying all of this live either in the boonies or suburban cookie cutter America where everything looks exactly the same. Their local Walmarts and Piggly Wiggly’s are stocked with food. They have access to plenty of water to keep their miracle grow gardens green. They’re not living near a melting glacier or northern Alaska where permafrost is melting rapidly. Hell I’m in Chicago right now outside on a beautiful day, Global warming what’s that? They will keep denying it and saying it’s a hoax until their worlds are affected directly. When all of a sudden Walmart isn’t carrying certain foods or the prices have skyrocketed so much due to the inability to produce it because of the climate change. Then they’ll be demanding expedient action.
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People hopefully at least care about their children and grandchildren. That why it's so good that more and more young people are making their voices heard and demand action on climate change. There they also inspire people of all ages to take action.

Parents around the world mobilise behind youth climate strikes | Environment | The Guardian

There even young Republicans are demanding action on climate change.

Climate Could Be an Electoral Time Bomb, Republican Strategists Fear - The New York Times
 
EMNofSeattle said:
There is no climate crisis.

My life has not gotten worse in any measurable way because of the climate
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You may as well deny the existence of gravity. The climate crisis is apparent every day to those whose heads aren’t in the sand.
 
MTAtech said:
You may as well deny the existence of gravity. The climate crisis is apparent every day to those whose heads aren’t in the sand.
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No, because a massive media campaign doesn’t change perception of gravity.

No one is suffering because of “climate change” as the media describes it. Every thinks they are because of a massive campaign via the media to convince people their lives are or will be worse. The cost of doing nothing is literally nothing, the cost of trying to “fix” the climate is massive and will involve billions of deaths, a massive decline in standard of living, and total control of the economy

Pollution=progress. Extreme environmentalism=socialism and genocide. Easy choice
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, because a massive media campaign doesn’t change perception of gravity.

No one is suffering because of “climate change” as the media describes it.
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Yes, they are. They're suffering and dying. Among other impacts we're already seeing...

- Larger and hotter heat waves (which kill lots of people)

- Larger and more intense forest fires (which also kill people)

- Tropical storms are more intense, dump more precipitation, move slower, resulting in more damage (e.g. Hurricane Harvey; yet again, more death and lots of suffering)

- Rain storms are more intense and dump more precipitation, resulting in more floods in areas that don't usually see them (e.g. US Midwestern farms flooded out this year)

- Numerous agricultural impacts, which are already making it nearly impossible to grow crops near the Equator (which, by the way, forces those people to migrate and typically head to the US)

- Loss of wildlife habitat


The cost of doing nothing is literally nothing, the cost of trying to “fix” the climate is massive and will involve billions of deaths, a massive decline in standard of living, and total control of the economy

Pollution=progress. Extreme environmentalism=socialism and genocide. Easy choice
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Visbek said:
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Yes, they are. They're suffering and dying. Among other impacts we're already seeing...

- Larger and hotter heat waves (which kill lots of people)
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Except it doesn’t kill “a lot of people”. In the US there have been 9000 heat related deaths since 1970. Hardly a public health crisis. Furthermore
Climate Change Indicators: Heat-Related Deaths | Climate Change Indicators in the United States | US EPA

Heat related deaths have been on the downward trend since 2010 despite average temperatures being hotter. Maybe some new coal fired plants to run continuous AC might make you feel better though?




- Larger and more intense forest fires (which also kill people)
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Larger forest fires are due to improper management, largely due to the eco-socialist movement. Opening up federal forests to logging will greatly reduce this. There in fact are many factors involved in larger fires, not removing dead timber, allowing the accumulation of old growth forest, trees dying from pests and diseases, there are many factors unrelated to climate change.



- Tropical storms are more intense, dump more precipitation, move slower, resulting in more damage (e.g. Hurricane Harvey; yet again, more death and lots of suffering)
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Any one storm cannot be attributed to climate change, and furthermore what we’ve really been seeing is an increase in development in vulnerable areas due to subsidized flood insurance.

- Rain storms are more intense and dump more precipitation, resulting in more floods in areas that don't usually see them (e.g. US Midwestern farms flooded out this year)
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They’ve received one record year out of records that go to 1895. One record year in such a short time period is hardly cause for imposing communism.
- Numerous agricultural impacts, which are already making it nearly impossible to grow crops near the Equator (which, by the way, forces those people to migrate and typically head to the US)
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Total bull****, people are migrating north due to lack of public security. On top of all this, the GDP in Central American countries is still increasing.

Agriculture value has doubled in Guatemala and is increasing in El Salvador. It is not near impossible to grow crops there.

http://www.fao.org/3/a-i4124e.pdf

Recent Economic Growth in El Salvador - BORGEN

Loss of wildlife habitat




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Is OK because humans come first. If it’s human beings versus stupid beasts the beasts are the ones who get to go
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Except it doesn’t kill “a lot of people”. In the US there have been 9000 heat related deaths since 1970. Hardly a public health crisis....
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Yeah, actually, it is. (e.g. Climate crisis already causing deaths and childhood stunting, report reveals | Environment | The Guardian)

More importantly, we are at the very start of the impacts. Sea level rise alone will increasingly impact millions of people, especially those in crowded coastal cities.


Heat related deaths have been on the downward trend since 2010 despite average temperatures being hotter. Maybe some new coal fired plants to run continuous AC might make you feel better though?
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Yes, because compounding a problem in order to deal with the consequences of the initial problem always works out great. :roll:


Larger forest fires are due to improper management....
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Nope, total BS. There is no single global "forest management" agency or policy; there isn't even one in the US, as various forests can be managed on the county, state or federal agencies. Yet we are seeing wildfires get worse all around the globe, and extending into colder climates (including the Arctic Circle) and into formerly wetter rainforests.

And surprise! even in the US, research shows that climate change is already having an impact on wildfires.
Observed Impacts of Anthropogenic Climate Change on Wildfire in California


Any one storm cannot be attributed to climate change, and furthermore what we’ve really been seeing is an increase in development in vulnerable areas due to subsidized flood insurance.
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2001 called, and wants its denier tropes back.

Climate change does not cause the storms. What it does is make them more damaging. And yes, the impact of AGW is significant enough now that we can detect it, and that's been the case for several years now. E.g. Core Concept: How does climate change influence extreme weather? Impact attribution research seeks answers | PNAS


They’ve received one record year out of records that go to 1895. One record year in such a short time period is hardly cause for imposing communism.
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This is not about cherry-picking just one year. It's about larger patterns, and yes there is lots of data showing that various types of flooding are getting worse.
https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/attach/2018/07/gw-fact-sheet-epif.pdf

and for coastal flooding U.S. Coastal Flooding Breaks Records as Sea Level Rises, NOAA Report Shows | InsideClimate News)


Total bull****, people are migrating north due to lack of public security.
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Security and crime is a major reason for current migrations -- but it is definitely not the only reason.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...rmers-face-choice-pray-rain-or-leave-n1027346
https://www.theguardian.com/global-...emala-climate-crisis-migration-drought-famine



Is OK because humans come first. If it’s human beings versus stupid beasts the beasts are the ones who get to go
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Thank you for displaying, yet again, a lack of understanding of how the environment works.
 
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