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Trump condemns ‘white supremacy,’ calls for mental health and gun reforms after double mass shooting

vesper said:
You mean Southern Dixiecrats? 1964 is darn near 100 years later after the Civil War. What party continued to hold onto white nationalism after the Civil War? Over 50 years later after the Civil War, what president elected in 1912 initiated segregation policies in the Federal government?
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But 1964 is much close to today than 1912 or the Civil War, so it is much more relevant. And if you want even more recent facts, you can see the political identification of the people who TODAY want to honor the Confederate flag and monuments of Confederate "heroes" as part of their history. And by the way, many of those monuments were built near 1912.
 
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aociswundumho said:
Sorry, but Huffpost is about as credible as alternet.
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Nah, Huff post is rated way better.

We're only supposed to use links once in a thread, and that was a link I know I haven't used.

Google "charlottesville Trump he said he loves us" . Neo Nazis praising the POTUS remarks, as Trump had publicly defended them, was reported by most news sources. Obviously.

EDIT: Here we go:

Neo-nazis celebrate Trump's remarks about Charlottesville riots - Business Insider
 
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ludin said:
what racist tweets are you referring to.
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Trump’s racist tweets and the ‘politics of distraction’ | PBS NewsHour

do you know the definition of racism?
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Yes. So do most educated people. See the link above? But it seems you do not, so may suggest you look it up in a dictionary?


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Taylor said:
Yeah, no. Wilson was a leftist progressive.
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No, not in the CONTEXT of race relations, which is what ves is arguing.

But you knew that, which is why you edited.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
No, not in the CONTEXT of race relations, which is what ves is arguing.

But you knew that, which is why you edited.
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What are you talking about? Leftist progressives were big supporters of eugenics at the time. They were all about trading away individual liberties for the good of society, which included not allowing "undesirables" to breed. Those laws were first passed in northern (and western) states, not southern states.

Support for the eugenics legislation Wilson signed into law as Governor of New Jersey certainly didn't come from southern conservatives, lol.
 
JustHanging said:
Trump’s racist tweets and the ‘politics of distraction’ | PBS NewsHour



Yes. So do most educated people. See the link above? But it seems you do not, so may suggest you look it up in a dictionary?
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the definition of racism is this. not whatever definition you want to make up. this is why we have dictionaries.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

I honestly don't care what some hack calls racism. we have definitions to define what racism is.

so nothing trump said would match the definition of racism.
no where does he spout that one race is superior to another race.

he simply said that if you don't like it here and want to constantly complain and groan about all
of the benefits and freedoms that you have in this country then leave.

half these people said they were going to leave when he became president anyway.
so why don't they friggen go like they said they were going to do?

the rest of us would be better off.

You want to know why they don't leave? because there isn't a better country in this world to live in than the US.
even AOC people are upset that she has basically forgotten them since she got into office.
 
ludin said:
the definition of racism is this. not whatever definition you want to make up. this is why we have dictionaries.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

I honestly don't care what some hack calls racism. we have definitions to define what racism is.

so nothing trump said would match the definition of racism.
no where does he spout that one race is superior to another race.

he simply said that if you don't like it here and want to constantly complain and groan about all
of the benefits and freedoms that you have in this country then leave.

half these people said they were going to leave when he became president anyway.
so why don't they friggen go like they said they were going to do?

the rest of us would be better off.

You want to know why they don't leave? because there isn't a better country in this world to live in than the US.
even AOC people are upset that she has basically forgotten them since she got into office.
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Look, I understand the new alt-right talking point is to just deny any of Trump's racist statements or tweets or behavior are racist at all. When you support a blatant racist like Trump, you have no other choice. I've given reputable source after reputable source, all giving examples, all explaining it, but you ignore it all.

If Trump showed up in a KKK outfit, you would tell me he was wearing it to practice for Halloween. Then you would ask how wearing white clothes made him a racist.

But we all know what he is. I suspect even you, when you dare admit the truth to yourself.
 
JustHanging said:
Look, I understand the new alt-right talking point is to just deny any of Trump's racist statements or tweets or behavior are racist at all. When you support a blatant racist like Trump, you have no other choice. I've given reputable source after reputable source, all giving examples, all explaining it, but you ignore it all.
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So is the rep from Baltimore a racist? because he said the same thing that trump did about Baltimore. So if you say he isn't a racist then neither is trump.
is he a racist now as well? No there isn't a new talking about and i am not the alt right. definitions have meanings other
than your made up definitions that aren't.

If Trump showed up in a KKK outfit, you would tell me he was wearing it to practice for Halloween. Then you would ask how wearing white clothes made him a racist.
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Not at all i would say that he is part of the KKK and should step down as president. See unlike you I don't go by emotions i go by facts and actual knowledge of events.
what people actually say not what is hacked apart like leftist like to do.

Actually no i wouldn't but you are so narrow minded you can't conceive this concept.

But we all know what he is. I suspect even you, when you dare admit the truth to yourself.
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I admit to facts and definitions of those facts.
I don't throw the race card at someone simply to try and demonize them and setup some
moral platform while ignoring the racism that is spewed by his own side.

The problem is all you can do with throw the racist card.
it is a failure of an argument as i just proved.

you need to stop projecting other people's thoughts your horrible at it.
 
ludin said:
Not at all i would say that he is part of the KKK and should step down as president.
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Well, let's see if you're telling the truth, shall we? The alt-right lies that Trump wasn't publicly supporting the KKK and Neo Nazis are full debunked here. The video goes into a lot of depth debunking the stream of alt-right lies, and gives far too much evidence to post on this forum.

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1. The transcript you show is from August 15. This was three days AFTER the death of the woman by a neonazi scam. It took Trump three days of refusing to condemn white supremacists specifically and preferring to condemn violence from all sides. It took three days of pressure coming eve from republican senators before Trump was forced to mention the neonate and white supremacists by name. The following video describes the timeline of events



Not only that, but the claim that there were "fine people" on the side of those who protested against the removal of the statue is also a lie!
We have information from the protest permit which was fought in court since the city initially refused to give such permit for the protest. The court papers show the name of the applicants coming from the white supremacist extremist right and we have a police affidavit describing their evaluation regarding the number of people who would attend the protest and their political affiliation based on the info they got from the organizers since the police had to make plans for the monitoring of the protest

Here is the document from the ACLU which supported the right of these white supremacists to protest inside the city. All affidavits are attached after Page 20

https://acluva.org/sites/default/fi...sbriefinoppositiontopreliminaryinjunction.pdf

Pay specifically attention to pages 29 and 30 related to the affidavit of the Police Chief Al S. Thomas about the various speakers who were planned to give a speech and google their names. All of them are linked to white supremacist organization with the exception of the last speaker who was the leader of a NY Lightfoot militia and who according to his statement his group participated as a neutral party in order to help with the security during the protest.
 
Amelia said:
He elevated a British hate group that the UK was trying to marginalize: Donald Trump retweets far-right group's anti-Muslim videos - BBC News

He toes an interesting line. Mostly he's not sharing the racist tweets of the racists, but it's a knack he has for getting his non-racist material from racists. He got this guy in big trouble by sharing the guy's CNN-bashing image.

Trump's anti-CNN tweet originated from Reddit’s largest right-wing extremist forum - Vox

He takes racists living in obscurity in the dark alleys of Twitter or Reddit and gives them 15 minutes of fame, which has made life awkward for some of them. They didn't like the exposure which came from Trump liking their output. They weren't prepared for him lifting the rock they were hiding under.


As you say, he is not an avowed racist, and plays it really close to the line with his questionable rally cries. There is a correlation between race/ethnicity and the people he is quickest and harshest in condemning, but he blurs the lines enough that he keeps people asking, "Is he a racist or does he just think his base is racist so he's playing up to that aspect of who he thinks they are?" As he toes the line more and more often, many people are giving up on that benefit-of-the-doubt question and just chucking it in and saying, "okay we have our answer, he is racist."

And as to the twitter, it seems he slums a lot, and finds a lot of racist twitter users to retweet, while not necessarily retweeting (much of) the racist material they shared.
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Its been an alt-reich tactic that he has been using for years.
 
Amelia said:
He elevated a British hate group that the UK was trying to marginalize: Donald Trump retweets far-right group's anti-Muslim videos - BBC News

He toes an interesting line. Mostly he's not sharing the racist tweets of the racists, but it's a knack he has for getting his non-racist material from racists. He got this guy in big trouble by sharing the guy's CNN-bashing image.

Trump's anti-CNN tweet originated from Reddit’s largest right-wing extremist forum - Vox
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I think it's a nod to his base, to let them know who he supports, while allowing himself plausible deniability.

Of course now the alt-right talking point is to deny anything is racist. It doesn't matter how blatant and obvious, most of the Trump denies it was racist, and no amount of context, history, or evidence will change their minds.
 
sjmay said:
That's not my argument, but since you brought it up, just curious how do you KNOW that THOSE are the people Trump was talking about? Are you saying that THOSE were the ONLY people in Charlottesville?

Here's the problem with your side....you guys keep bitching that words matter.....then you try to make everything fit under one word....so if words matter...they ALL matter.

You can't know if THOSE are the people Trump was talking about......but you want to say they are because it it's easier to be mentally lazy and call someone you dislike a racist, than it is to actually practice that WORDS matter, and think about what was ACTUALLY said.
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Those guys were what the unite the right rally was about. There was no good person involved in the unite the right rally.
 
jmotivator said:
You don't seem to grasp the concept of RECORD EMPLOYMENT. Had it rebounded to pre-crash levels we wouldn't be setting records.



High taxes were the target of the tax cuts, and the economy was the target of the tax cuts. The improvement in the economy leads to record employment.

Trump also targets low income communities with "Opportunity Zone" tax relief for businesses building in low income areas which does directly aid poor communities.



Trump is on record as saying he wants to end the blanket criminalization of cannabis and change the sentencing guidelines for non-violent drug violations, and he is working in that direction. The crime bill was one of the steps.



If he were a white supremacist he wouldn't be fast tracking the execution of white supremacists.



It's too on-the-nose for your comfort, I think. On the bright side, I don't think you could have done any better in your response unless you were agreeing with me. So good effort in your lost cause.
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Mass shooters. He wanted to fast track the execution of 5 innocent young men.
 
jmotivator said:
LOL. Because there was this recession, you see, where many people lost their jobs. The recovery from a recession will happen regardless of what a President does short of economic takeover, and Obama's policies prolonged the recovery, rather than shorten it.

Also, the black unemployment the month before the recession began was 8.4%, in October 2016, the last month that business future investing would have considered a continuation of Obama's economic policies a possibility, the black unemployment was 9.2%, 0.8% worse than pre-recession. In fact, it didn't get back to 8.4% until December 2016.

Do you think the companies investing in December 2016 and January of 2017 were doing so on Obama's policies? Hint: Absolutely not.

The best thing Obama ever did for the economy was leave office.



Oh, broooother. You mean the women would were shouting "Impeach the mother****er!" ... Yeah. And also no, Trump told them to go and then come back. How many racists do you know tell people of color to go abroad and then come back?



No, I know the "hateful rhetoric" that the media and Democrats feed their followers, though, regarding Trump, from Trump being a Russian stooge, to Trump being a Nazi, and so on.



Well, no. But I realize why you and the hate mongers need to try and convince people that that is true. When your entire political party is driven by identity politics and envy it's not possible to concede that the other side is better for minorities than you are.
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Racists tell people of color to go back to their home ****hole countries. This is not hard to figure out. Three of four Trump told to go back are US born citizens. THERE IS NOT A HOME COUNTRY TO GO BACK TO. THIS IS THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN!
Enough with this mealy mouthed bull****. Enough. I know you trumpists dont give a flying **** about anyone but yourselves but give it a ****ing rest already.
 
JustHanging said:
Well, let's see if you're telling the truth, shall we? The alt-right lies that Trump wasn't publicly supporting the KKK and Neo Nazis are full debunked here. The video goes into a lot of depth debunking the stream of alt-right lies, and gives far too much evidence to post on this forum.

Quoted from Pamak post:


1. The transcript you show is from August 15. This was three days AFTER the death of the woman by a neonazi scam. It took Trump three days of refusing to condemn white supremacists specifically and preferring to condemn violence from all sides. It took three days of pressure coming eve from republican senators before Trump was forced to mention the neonate and white supremacists by name. The following video describes the timeline of events



Not only that, but the claim that there were "fine people" on the side of those who protested against the removal of the statue is also a lie!
We have information from the protest permit which was fought in court since the city initially refused to give such permit for the protest. The court papers show the name of the applicants coming from the white supremacist extremist right and we have a police affidavit describing their evaluation regarding the number of people who would attend the protest and their political affiliation based on the info they got from the organizers since the police had to make plans for the monitoring of the protest

Here is the document from the ACLU which supported the right of these white supremacists to protest inside the city. All affidavits are attached after Page 20

https://acluva.org/sites/default/fi...sbriefinoppositiontopreliminaryinjunction.pdf

Pay specifically attention to pages 29 and 30 related to the affidavit of the Police Chief Al S. Thomas about the various speakers who were planned to give a speech and google their names. All of them are linked to white supremacist organization with the exception of the last speaker who was the leader of a NY Lightfoot militia and who according to his statement his group participated as a neutral party in order to help with the security during the protest.
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I do appreciate the part where he showed stormfront proclaiming the true message of the alt-reich. The entire purpose of the Charlottesville unite the right rally wasnt really about the statues, but to unify the various white supremacist factions and start a race war.
 
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vesper said:
I keep seeing the TDS folks post a talking point that when a white person commits these heinous acts they are referred to as mental illness but if someone is a person of color they are considered a domestic terrorist. Didn't the state prosecutors of Texas first charge the white male shooter with domestic terrorism? The answer is yes. Facts be damned.

We do have a big problem in our society with very angry people and mental illness. And they come in all colors.


For an example, let's take the growing number of cases of road rage in this country every year. As of late there are approx. 1500 cases that result in deaths and/or injuries every year. The cause they claim are lunatics full of anger and have mental disorders.

We seem to have an overwhelming number of people who are now on anti-depressant medication because they can't seem to deal with life and that includes a record number of children.
This uptick of prescribing anti depressants started in the 90's.

I have several friends, family and good neighbors who chose the profession of teaching. For these teachers it has become so stressful due to the increase of out of control behavior of students that suck the life right out of the classroom when the teacher has to spend so much time dealing with bad behavior denying the kids in her class that are eager to learn. And their parents on parent teacher conference night an overwhelming number do not show up.

We now have a record number of teens committing suicide. We have a record number of young people turning to things like heroine and other opiods destroying their lives.

We have record number of youth living in a home without a father where case study after case study shows major consequences that are directly linked to mental problems in our youth.

The state of mental health in this country is not good. Every state in the union should be not looking to the federal government to address this but their own states should be funding mental health facilities. They should be funding places that take wayward kids and try to turn them around. if they can't function in a public school, provide a place for them that will offer counseling and provide them with an education. And sometimes that means removing them from the home because the parents are the problem.

There is a culture of death growing among the youth. What happened? When I was a teen I was excited for my future.





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Thanks once again for another excellent post using many problems that are being overlooked in favor of mere talking points.

Roseann:)
 
bomberfox said:
I do appreciate the part where he showed stormfront proclaiming the true message of the alt-reich. The entire purpose of the Charlottesville unite the right rally wasnt really about the statues, but to unify the various white supremacist factions and start a race war.
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Indeed it was. A White Supremacist Rally, with the express purpose of uniting White Supremacists, with a full day of White Supremacist speakers, and a barrage of Swastikas, KKK outfits, and other White Supremacist rallies.

And apparently "very fine people" decided that this is who they should spend the day supporting. LOL, any "very fine people" I know don't stay to protest with these guys, they turn around and get the **** away from these guys.


Obviously a lot of Republicans and Trump supporters have a very very different idea of what makes a "very fine person".
 
bomberfox said:
Racists tell people of color to go back to their home ****hole countries. This is not hard to figure out. Three of four Trump told to go back are US born citizens. THERE IS NOT A HOME COUNTRY TO GO BACK TO. THIS IS THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN!
Enough with this mealy mouthed bull****. Enough. I know you trumpists dont give a flying **** about anyone but yourselves but give it a ****ing rest already.
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Trump was telling the world that in his opinion, the USA is a ****hole

How did Trump describe the USA? Oh yeah, like this:

Trump: The USA is "a country whose government is a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all),"....

LOL, even a broken clock is right twice a day! :lamo
 
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Those guys were what the unite the right rally was about. There was no good person involved in the unite the right rally.
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If those were the ONLY people there...then yea, problem is, you don't KNOW they were the only ones there, so you lump EVERYONE that was there...in one group.
 
Carleen said:
He did not use the word “I” condemn and he really needs to say that if he is to be believed.
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I don't think there is anything Trump can say that will change the mind of a hatful person. I wouldn't waste my time personally.
 
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