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Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

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Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

This is a bull**** claim. The El Paso shooter was a radical right winger who attacked people that Trump calls criminal invaders. The left has nothing to do with that. I get that right wingers could give a **** less about personal responsibility but, don't waste my time with Hannity grade talking points that will get laughed out of the building.





If it helps you just think of them as crazy people who happen to be Trump supporters than Trump supporters who happen to be crazy. Trump panders to racial fear and nationalist longings. And white nationalist terror is on the rise, with Trump's rhetoric fueling the fire. The left has nothing to do with that. It stands in opposition to scapegoating immigrants, it does not fuel their continued persecution.

The delusion of this argument is unfathomable. "The Left" has zero responsibility for white nationalists acquiring murder weapons and using them to mow down "the invaders" that are making our country stinky, dirty, and dangerous.

And the jaw clenched hatred for everything Obama during the Tea Party days makes you look not only irresponsible but hypocritical as well, when you scream foul play at the left refusing to back down in the intellectual arena.


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It appears you're seething with anger and misplaced rage.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Good day, sir.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

People on forums just repeat what they see on media. As I've said in other threads, their ideology requires this type of labeling because its all they have. So now, these same people want to disarm normal people? I think not.

Well said.
Critical thinking is a thing of the past.

We're witnessing ignorant group-think.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

It appears you're seething with anger and misplaced rage.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Good day, sir.

One of the problems is we have a race baiter in the whitehouse who has specifically emboldened right wing racists to commit acts of terror.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Well said.
Critical thinking is a thing of the past.

We're witnessing ignorant group-think.

Oh the irony of a Trump supporter complaining about "group think"
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Let's look at the pictures of the three last shootings

The fist picture is of the el paso killer and the garlic festival killer side by side.

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The second one is of the dayton Ohio killer

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Re: Dayton Ohio: Suspect and 9 others dead, at least 16 wounded in Oregon District shooting

We can have common sense compromises. A six shot clip is enough to deal with a burglar.

A thirty round clip is overkill; 30 round clips make it easier for mass shooters to kill a lot of people.

Do you favor bump stocks? Teflon coated bullets?

A small nitpick here: modern firearms use magazines, not clips.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

It appears you're seething with anger and misplaced rage.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Good day, sir.

I knew you had no rebuttal.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

In today's America, you have to be crazy to take the POTUS' tweets seriously.

Unfortunately some people are.

Forgive yourself then...I don't think you're crazy for taking every tweet he spouts seriously.
I think you simply read more into them than is really there. All the haters do...
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

The Trump hate propaganda against the Latino immigrants which started with the opening of Trump's campaign is especially effective because it targets one of the most vulnerable demographic groups. These immigrants are often visible (skin color) and do not have the luxury to protect themselves in secluded communities away from the typical mass shooter loser.

Words have consequences, and while nobody denies that the ultimate responsibility is that of the individual, it is insane to ignore the effect of propaganda on people. We have seen in the past how demagogues have managed to convince decent and civilized people to commit atrocities against other people. One cannot erase historical experience just for political expediency.


Your false words have consequences so does your echo chamber spread of propagand.
Trump is not against immigrants. He's simply fulfilling a campaign promise to strengthen the porous border problem in order to bring better security to our country.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

And now we find out one of the shooter's victims was his sister.

So much for that "white nationalist" theory.

You're going to ruin the propagandist's day, my friend...
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Oh the irony of a Trump supporter complaining about "group think"

Unlike those who scapegoat and blame responsible gun owners, Republicans and Trump for influencing mass shootings, I hold the mass shooter responsible. I also hold those who IF there were red flags, responsible for ignoring or not reporting. I put the blame where it belongs and that is me, the individual, who won't allow anyone to tell me how to think about these things.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Forgive yourself then...I don't think you're crazy for taking every tweet he spouts seriously.
I think you simply read more into them than is really there. All the haters do...

We saw this very early in the Trump presidency, when the Olathe shooter killed a non-Muslim Indian, while yelling, "Get out of my country". Words matter. Trump's words are often inflammatory - Calling other countries "****holes", etc. We are seeing the manifestation of the election an uneducated, partisan, baiting president.
 
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I knew you had no rebuttal.

I knew you'd say this. Apparently, my words were lost on you.
Let me clarify...
The angry and perpetually aggrieved cannot very well hold the duly elected POTUS, his supporters, law abiding gun owners responsible for any of this carnage without looking at how they have totally been careless with their own hateful rhetoric, labeling many who oppose their misplaced phony outrage as a neo-nazi, kkk, racist, or an apologist for all.

Good day.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

What is white terrorism and why call it that? Are we to call all shooters terrorists? Is white murder of random innocent people worse than black murders of innocent people. Should we call black murderers black terrorists?

Or, is black murder of blacks not black terror while black murders of whites is black terrorism?

How is radicalized white hate terrorists any different than Muslim extremists? The U.S. has a hate problem. There are similarities between Islamic extremist violent radicalization and white hate radicalization. There's a commonality between the two. Young Islamic extremists are online being inspired by a mentor, a father figure, a cleric who's inspiring them to be radicalized. We've got such a leader, the president of the United States. In order to break that white hate radicalization, Trump has to come out and say he rejects this, that he condemns white hate and violence. Unless he intervenes strongly in this rejection of white hate, we're going to be seeing a lot more of this.

Just this past June, House Democrats grilled officials from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security focused on how the Trump administration is addressing the growing threat of violent white supremacist extremists. The FBI Agents Association released a report about domestic terrorism that was quite chilling. "Domestic terrorism is about political violence," "Congress must do everything in its power to provide law enforcement with the tools needed to combat this threat to our country." That's a big statement from the FBI. They're essentially saying they're more prepared to deal with international terrorist threats than they are with domestic terrorist attacks because they lack the tools to address domestic terrorism. The FBI needs the tools, legislation and policy changes in order to be effective in the prevention of further home grown terrorists. All those 'deep state' conspiracy theories contrived and perpetuated by Fox News and people like Alex Jones, Glenn Beck and Karl Rove are now a threat to our national security. People adhering to these 'deep state' conspiracy theories are now going to actually hurt us.

Christopher Wray appeared before the Senate a couple of weeks ago and talked about the increase in the numbers of domestic terrorism cases and how they outnumber international terrorism cases and how the majority of them are motivated by "white supremacist violence". That should have been reported on every news station and newspaper in the country, it wasn't. If it was an attack on people in a Walmart by a Muslin, people would be burning down mosques. But with these recent white hate terrorists massacring scores of innocent lives, all we hear from the right is 'oh they are obviously mentally ill and there's no need to change gun laws'. That's not how this problem gets addressed. We just can't turn our backs on facts.

This white supremacist hatred isn't all Trumps fault, it's always been here under the surface, it pre-dates Trump. But as president of the US, the leader of the most powerful country on earth, legitimizing this, blessing this, inciting this and refusing to condemn this, not only in a tweet saying "this is bad", and "I condemn this act" but actually coming out and giving a speech condemning white nationalism is something Trump won't do. Trump criticized Barack Obama for not saying 'radical Islamic terrorism' in those specific words, but Trump refuses to say that 'white supremacist terrorism' is a problem at home and abroad.
 
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We saw this very early in the Trump presidency, when the Olathe shooter killed a non-Muslim Indian, while yelling, "Get out of my country". Words matter. Trump's words are often inflammatory - Calling other countries "****holes", etc. We are seeing the manifestation of the election an uneducated, partisan, baiting president.

All presidents bait and use inflammatory language to please their base. I guess it depends on whom one supports before they will acknowledge this truth.
Yes, Trump ought to pay more attention to how he phrases and tempers his words, but so should have his predecessor.
 
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Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

I knew you'd say this. Apparently, my words were lost on you.
Let me clarify...
The angry and perpetually aggrieved cannot very well hold the duly elected POTUS, his supporters, law abiding gun owners responsible for any of this carnage without looking at how they have totally been careless with their own hateful rhetoric, labeling many who oppose their misplaced phony outrage as a neo-nazi, kkk, racist, or an apologist for all.

Good day.

Your words impart no wisdom. You have demonstrated nothing of value, rather concocted a fantasy to abdicate (Trump's) responsibility in yet another atrocity with a direct line to Trump's rhetoric.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

We saw this very early in the Trump presidency, when the Olathe shooter killed a non-Muslim Indian, while yelling, "Get out of my country". Words matter. Trump's words are often inflammatory - Calling other countries "****holes", etc. We are seeing the manifestation of the election an uneducated, partisan, baiting president.

Funny how you dont see left wing language as inflammatory: calling everyone you disagree with racists, Nazis, Klansmen and deplorables. Yeah, you libs are all about unity arent you.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Your words impart no wisdom. You have demonstrated nothing of value, rather concocted a fantasy to abdicate (Trump's) responsibility in yet another atrocity with a direct line to Trump's rhetoric.

There is no 'line to Trumps rhetoric.' Zero. The shooter even said so himself. If anything triggered this guy it was the immigration policies of the radical left and the collusion between them, the establishment right and corporations.
 
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There is no 'line to Trumps rhetoric.' Zero. The shooter even said so himself. If anything triggered this guy it was the immigration policies of the radical left and the collusion between them, the establishment right and corporations.

Yes, there is a direct line to Trump's rhetoric but, I have no doubt you will deny it, since you can't even admit that Trump is a racist.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

I think a lot of these shooters live a fantasy. They see themselves as lone heroes struggling for some cause. It used to be that they were isolated because like minded people were widely scattered across the globe. But today you can find an online community for whatever and so these shooters find communities online who support their beliefs.

If they had a real life friend, the friend would tell them how crazy their ideas were and that would be the end of it.
 
Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Condolences to the family and friends of the victims:

• Megan Betts, 22. She was the sister of the suspected shooter, identified as Connor Betts.

• Saeed Saleh, 38

• Derrick Fudge, 57

• Logan Turner, 30

• Nicholas Cumer, 25

• Thomas McNichols, 25

• Beatrice Warren-Curtis, 36

• Monica Brickhouse, 39

Twenty-seven people also were injured.

Megan Betts was a student at Wright State University
 
Re: Ten dead in Dayton, Ohio, in second mass shooting in 24 hours

Yep, we do need to do something

We need to do what we did during the 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's when there was very little to no mass shootings

The AK- 47 has been around since 1947


What was different?

There was less ubiquitous manipulative messaging constantly bombarding us.
 
Re: Ten dead in Dayton, Ohio, in second mass shooting in 24 hours

There was less ubiquitous manipulative messaging constantly bombarding us.

There is no doubt in my mind that the constant news cycle does spur some of the nutcases to try to get publicity or "break a record"
 
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