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[W:689] Active shooter near an El Paso mall

Time to sue over this. If they are going to ban firearms, then the business/mall has an absolute duty to have armed, trained security - and sufficiently - since they knowingly and deliberately advertise they have made everyone defenseless against a shooter or other type of assailants.

This answers my question of why there were not CCWers or open carriers to at least provide covering and distracting cover fire. The fault is NOT the 2Aers, but the anti-gun crowd.

Ironically, if you read his manifesto who he most hates is corporations that he sees as victimizing everyone in many ways - including the environment itself - and wrote he would ONLY pick a "soft target," not any place with armed security. So he was right, the anti-gun stance of the corporation of the mail did just victimize many people and he was correct in his analysis of that corporation and the benefit of attacking where he knew there was no one armed to oppose him.

This is Texas - CCW and Open Carry. He relied - accurately - on the Mall corporation advertising he can shoot defenseless people - and on the anti gun-rights attitude leading to it.

Do not blame the gun. Blame the lack of guns by anti-gunners and an anti-gun corporation. They just got about 60 people shot.
I blame gun free zones since the majority of, if not all of them occur there. Lets outlaw these killing zones.

Its funny too i did not even know snything about this shooting when i commented on it. I just assumed it was a gun free zone.

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Then I guess there would be some upsides to creating more gun-free zones.

There's a silver lining to everything it seems!

Yep. He won't be coming to Canada. :)
 
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No, that isn't correct.

Go ahead, present your data.
 
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If a Walmart employee accidently shoots a bystander the lawsuit would be huge. If Walmart allowed one of its guns in the gun section to be used by a shopper to fire back and a bystander was hit, the lawsuit would be huge.

As for other people shooting back, in a store without clear line of sight, and mass confusion the ability to identify the who the shooter was as opposed to a person responding to the shooting will be limited. So the chances of responders shooting other responders would be quite high

Exactly. Which is why the idea of teachers carrying guns is the height of stupidity imo. All the shooter would have to do is wear school colours and total confusion.
 
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It could be worse: we could live in country where we're left totally defenseless and at the mercy of the criminals; a country where the ****ing cops don't even own guns. That's scary ****, right there.

That's another popular fantasy. Project fear.
 
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People in my city are dead and injured, can you be decent for a day?

That went out the window with your thoughts and prayers for those little kinds in Connecticut which were the hollowest of empty platitudes.
 
I blame gun free zones since the majority of, if not all of them occur there. Lets outlaw these killing zones.

Its funny too i did not even know snything about this shooting when i commented on it. I just assumed it was a gun free zone.

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This happened in Texas, an open carry state. It happened at Walmart, an open carry store in that state.

I think you need a new argument. :roll:
 
Your link doesn't lead to anything on this shooting, that I see. It leads to an extreme right website.
Seriously???
You're really gonna pretend that i didn't link to a story directly about the shooting?

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These shooters always seem to pick soft targets. A theater, a festival, a school, a church, a synagogue, a Walmart. They tend to be young males and have absolutely no respect for human life. We have to learn why.

You have to learn why? Are you kidding?

America's leaders have made it very clear exactly who the problem group is. It's not hard to identify them. It's not hard to identify where they will be. Have you not read the tweets in the news for last two weeks? It's been a constant barrage of hate.

People who trust their leaders would and should see this as a patriotic duty.
 
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Are these dead part of that '2500 statistically insignificant per year' murdered by legal gun owners one conservative posted about a while back ?

If someone else died in a plane attack by terrorists, it negates these deaths and invalidates any attempt to reduce such violence. Didn't ya know?
 
Since Trump took over the Republican Party they have been completely balless. Now that people are dying almost weekly because of his rhetoric let's see if the Republican Party can grow a pair. I doubt it though

What more do you want them to do?
They can only denounce white supremacy and other hate groups so many times...

The FBI can't pull marginal people off the streets because they say scary things. If they are a threat to themselves and others, we have to demand that the proper authorities are alerted, and report these potential killers to the FBI or local LE.
 
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It could be worse: we could live in country where we're left totally defenseless and at the mercy of the criminals; a country where the ****ing cops don't even own guns. That's scary ****, right there.

Holy crap. What's it like to live like that kind of fear of the boogeyman?

I'm curious, because I live in a city, and I leave my doors unlocked most of the time. Of course, I live in Canada. A different culture I suppose.
 
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20 people in your city are dead and injured, being decent is not a word in their vocabulary.

I should have realized who I was talking to.
 
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Whte supremacists, like the two colored dudes that shot up their former employers recently?

Gaslight spin
 
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That went out the window with your thoughts and prayers for those little kinds in Connecticut which were the hollowest of empty platitudes.

What a sackless thing to say to someone who is from El Paso grieving for his community.
 
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That's another popular fantasy. Project fear.

The boogeyman can be scary
 
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The Constitution didn’t stop Bush or his Right Wing cabal in 2002. Patriot Act flew through Congress, and no one in the “liberty” crowd said a word.
Thats completely false...
Many on the right were and still are adamentaly opposed to the patriot act that obama renewed.

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The so called manifesto read like an angry screed written by a delusional, sheltered 21 year old Texas-raised male who obsessed over Latino immigration along the American-Mexican border.

No chance of this kid, Patrick Crusius, using the Texas case precedent Affluenza Defense. Based on a photo of the family home,ElPasoShooterHome.jpg I think he has pretty-well off parents with the wherewithal to hire private counsel. I read he has a twin sister and an older brother. Can you imagine the scrutiny his family faces? Nothing, so far, indicates this kid accomplished very much with his life.
 
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We know you wouldn't, but thanks for sharing.

I've already stated I refuse to carry outside the home and for good reason. 1000 to 3000 people in the area at the time of the shooting (in an open carry state) and I'll bet several of them (who were actually armed) realized spouting off online about how "they'd take down the bad guy" looked a lot different when they were living it. Even the one guy that acknowledged he was armed didn't try to take on the guy. But you go ahead and puff your chest out and let us know how it works out for you.
 
What more do you want them to do?
They can only denounce white supremacy and other hate groups so many times...

Please, that's about as stupid a post as it's possible to make. You can't pretend Trump didn't defended White Supremacists.

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People'

Apparently national business and community leaders quit prestigious and influential committees for no reason. SMH.

Trump's business advisory councils disband as CEOs abandon Trump

Donald Trump's entire arts council quits in protest


Just watch the White Supremacists jumping in and trying to deny what everyone saw Trump do. Pathetic.
 
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At least I, unlike yourself, won't be defenseless, rolled up in the fetal position hoping not to die. I can just hear it, "I hope he kills someone else! I hope he kills someone else!".

You can be anyone you want to be on the internet so enjoy. :lamo
 
I blame gun free zones since the majority of, if not all of them occur there. Lets outlaw these killing zones.

Its funny too i did not even know snything about this shooting when i commented on it. I just assumed it was a gun free zone.

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Do you have anything from a reputable source? Or are you basing this off the extreme right website you linked to?
 
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"NBC reported that federal law enforcement saw the manifesto around an hour before the shooting but could not locate who was responsible for the manifesto and the threatened attack.

Wow, this is troubling on so many levels IF true.

This comes from: FBI Investigating Possible Manifesto in El Paso Walmart Shooting | Heavy.com
 
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What a sackless thing to say to someone who is from El Paso grieving for his community.

The thought and prayers are not worth a sack of crap. That is reality and we are fed up with them. Keep them.
 
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