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Iran claims to have seized British oil tanker in strait of Hormuz

apdst said:
Iran made the decision to commit these acts.

That's as idiotic as saying that FDR caused WW2, because he placed an embargo on Japan.
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I've read the original seed of Japan declaring war on us was when we snubbed them during the post-WWI negotiations, and they saw there would never be a place for them amongst the major nations unless they compelled it.

So pretty parallel, yeah.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I'd hate to break it to you, but the Pakistani's have been supplying the Taliban for years and regularly acting against us. I don't know where you're coming from where you think we can just tell Pakistan to "jump" and they'll ask "How high?"

Play our cards wrong and Islamabad and the ISI is going to tell us to get ****ed.



Which they could easily get from the Chinese or the Russians.
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Pakistan is far closer to China than Russia. Its relationship with China is more important than its relationship with the US.

Russia has traditionally been closer to India than Pakistan, but has opened up to Pakistan recently.

The US has ignored Pakistan's strategic interests regarding Afghanistan (depth vs India) in the same way as the US is ignoring Turkey's strategic interests (Kurds) as such is losing them both as allies/friends
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I'd hate to break it to you, but the Pakistani's have been supplying the Taliban for years and regularly acting against us. I don't know where you're coming from where you think we can just tell Pakistan to "jump" and they'll ask "How high?"

Play our cards wrong and Islamabad and the ISI is going to tell us to get ****ed.



Which they could easily get from the Chinese or the Russians.
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Big difference between that, and sending her armed forces head-to-head with the U.S.
 
WillyPete said:
I've read the original seed of Japan declaring war on us was when we snubbed them during the post-WWI negotiations, and they saw there would never be a place for them amongst the major nations unless they compelled it.

So pretty parallel, yeah.
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Just wow! :lamo
 
apdst said:
Big difference between that, and sending her armed forces head-to-head with the U.S.
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Pakistan doesn't have to fight us at all. They just have to say "You can't fly over our airspace or transit through our land" and American forces in Afghanistan are screwed out of their chief supply line. They're a sovereign nation and they can do that if they want to.
 
apdst said:
How many times?
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There was operation Ajax, the 1953 coup d'etat of the Democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and strengthened the monarchial power Of Shah Reza Pahlavi, who the Iranian people remember to this day as a tyrant.

We also supported that tyrant’s reign for 25 years, before the Iranian people overthrew the tyrannical regime.

Oh and we also supplied logistical support to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war.

So maybe the Iranians might have a few good reasons to not trust us.
 
Having spent multiple years in the ME since 9/11 I really don't have a lot of interest in the US getting involved in a new war there. But for Iran I will make an exception. I have a couple of teammates that never came home from Iraq due to to Iran's EFPs. I will happily return the favor for some Iranians.
 
braindrain said:
Having spent multiple years in the ME since 9/11 I really don't have a lot of interest in the US getting involved in a new war there. But for Iran I will make an exception. I have a couple of teammates that never came home from Iraq due to to Iran's EFPs. I will happily return the favor for some Iranians.
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Yee haw! You'll probably be home by Christmas; where has that been uttered before?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
There was operation Ajax, the 1953 coup d'etat of the Democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and strengthened the monarchial power Of Shah Reza Pahlavi, who the Iranian people remember to this day as a tyrant.

We also supported that tyrant’s reign for 25 years, before the Iranian people overthrew the tyrannical regime.

Oh and we also supplied logistical support to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war.

So maybe the Iranians might have a few good reasons to not trust us.
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So, once and that was a British operation.

Y'all sure do bend over backwards to try and blame everything on the U.S. :lamo
 
Rexedgar said:
Yee haw! You'll probably be home by Christmas; where has that been uttered before?
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Who said that. Oh that's right. No one. Do you enjoy simply making up things to rant against. What a minute I don't know why I bother to ask as you obviously do.

Fortunately most people don't instantly resort to such dishonest nonsense
 
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apdst said:
So, once and that was a British operation.

Y'all sure do bend over backwards to try and blame everything on the U.S. :lamo
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You're being (I hope willfully) obtuse. That overthrow would never have occurred without the U.S.'s approval and we were actively involved.

Iran's history since that time is a direct result.
 
apdst said:
So, once and that was a British operation.

Y'all sure do bend over backwards to try and blame everything on the U.S. :lamo
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And Mohammad Mosaddegh trusted the United States and thought that the United States could force Britain to back down.

The 1953 coup permanently ruined our reputation in the Middle East.
 
Rexedgar said:
We'll Be Home By Christmas - A First World War Story by the Elgin Military Museum's Jeffrey Booth

I'll Be Home for Christmas - Wikipedia



Get a history book!
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So you are expecting people on this forum to be responsible for any thing that has been stated in recorded history. How about we actually deal with what posts actually say.

oh I get that's a problem as it would force you to be a bit more honest.
Here is a clue for you I am not responsible for things other people say.
 
braindrain said:
So you are expecting g people on this forum to responsible for any thing that has been started in recorded history. Hope aboyt we actually deal with what posts actually say.

oh I get that's a problem as it would force you to be a bit more honest.
Here is a clue for you I am not responsible for things other people say.
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Sorry, I can’t connect the dots for you.....hope you get what you need.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And Mohammad Mosaddegh trusted the United States and thought that the United States could force Britain to back down.

The 1953 coup permanently ruined our reputation in the Middle East.
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They hated us, anyway. There's no way we could ally ourselves with Israel and still be loved in the ME. That just wasn't going to happen. It's time you all accept that reality.
 
WillyPete said:
You're being (I hope willfully) obtuse. That overthrow would never have occurred without the U.S.'s approval and we were actively involved.

Iran's history since that time is a direct result.
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Perhaps, but when you people bring up Operation Ajax, you lay all the blame on The United States. You ignore, even deny the fact that it was concocted by the Brits.

Now, you're blaming us for the mullahs. :lamo
 
apdst said:
Perhaps, but when you people bring up Operation Ajax, you lay all the blame on The United States. You ignore, even deny the fact that it was concocted by the Brits.

Now, you're blaming us for the mullahs. :lamo
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That doesn't excuse the U.S.'s actions. (Where have I seen that line recently?)

Were they not overthrowing a government forced upon them by the West? That their uprising coalesced around religious radicals is incidental. An uprising was inevitable the very second we interfered.
 
WillyPete said:
That doesn't excuse the U.S.'s actions. (Where have I seen that line recently?)

Were they not overthrowing a government forced upon them by the West? That their uprising coalesced around religious radicals is incidental. An uprising was inevitable the very second we interfered.
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What about England's actions?
 
apdst said:
What about England's actions?
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They own their piece, too. We certainly learned the wrong lessons from those crumpet munchers.
 
Rexedgar said:
Sorry, I can’t connect the dots for you.....hope you get what you need.
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So you have nothing. you could have just described that from the beginning. It would have saved you some embarrassment
 
chuckiechan said:
I don’t think Trump is going to be sending them any pallets of cash.
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He is notorious for not honoring debts, so that's not surprising.
 
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