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Trump says he tried to stop ‘send her back’ chant — video shows he was silent for 13 seconds

JustHanging said:
True, but this time he's really throwing his base under the bus. Do you think his base will be fine with Trump apparently calling them racists to protect his own hide?
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Do you think any of them are smart enough to realize it?
I am not so sure they are
have a nice day
 
cabse5 said:
With all the lying in this thread from dems, I'd say dems are the ones coming from a fact vacuum.
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I figured you would. No one inside a vacuum realizes it until they are on the outside.
I find it more than amusing that you try to play off the POTUS and his Admin's immeasurable lies by projecting them onto others. It cannot be an easy job.
 
JustHanging said:
Trump says he tried to stop ‘send her back’ chant — video shows he was silent for 13 seconds - National | Globalnews.ca



Now Trump is saying that making comments like "send her back" is wrong. So he's essentially saying the members of his base at the rally are racists. And he's lying to do it.

Trump is throwing all his supporters who defended his well known racist trope of "go back where you came from" under the bus, to protect his political image.

How do Trump supporters feel about the POTUS apparently calling you racists? How do you feel about him lying to do it, saying he was trying to stop the chant so he act like the anti-racist?
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His silence was deafening, his lack of encouraging that chant spoke volumes. His supporters felt his displeasure.
 
dobieg said:
Not as bad as the Muslim, American hating hood rat wouldn't you say?




Honestly, what do you expect to accomplish with 3rd grade name calling except to get someone else to respond with more 3rd grade name calling?
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Believe whatever you like. There are few things that I care less about than your opinion.
 
calamity said:
The video shows Trump relishing in the chants of his Nazi base.
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An the sense that any good public speaker relishes crowd response, perhaps. But the look on his face shows impatience. He does not want to pause at that point.

When fascists come to USA they will call themselves anti-fascist and accuse others of what they do and desire.
 
Helix said:
Believe whatever you like. There are few things that I care less about than your opinion.
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Hence, the repeated responses. ;)
 
Pound4abrown said:
I figured you would. No one inside a vacuum realizes it until they are on the outside.
I find it more than amusing that you try to play off the POTUS and his Admin's immeasurable lies by projecting them onto others. It cannot be an easy job.
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Being a Trump supporter is hard because there is so much winning. Winning, winning, winning. It gets hard to cope with, but we do our best to deal with success.
 
cabse5 said:
Just 'cause, for example, the KKK loves Trump doesn't mean Trump loves them. It's called free speech which dems seem incapable of comprehending.
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But when the "KKK" which is your example, start chanting and he pauses, lets the chant build, waits for it to hit a peak then subside before resuming his attack on Omar, while basking and preening in the chants, there's a good chance that, even if he doesn't love them, loves their support and is encouraging their worst instincts.
 
Pound4abrown said:
I blame all of the folks who don't smother the air out from under them.
But since you moved the goal post to whataboutit, let me tell you why I blame Trump.

1) He wrote a racist tweet about four sitting congresswomen.
2) He walked it back, then doubled down.
3) He started talking about them at the rally.
4) His fans started chanting what he wrote in a tweet.
5) racists all
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That's the cognitive dissonance on display by our Trump supporting friends on here.

They spent days saying, "that's not what he meant!!" and Trump said, "Hold my beer" and showed us the crowd heard EXACTLY what his critics said was the message and just repeated it at the very next rally. We're supposed to, I guess, pretend that the Tweets and the chant are unrelated, but of course one led directly to the other, like night follows day.
 
JasperL said:
That's the cognitive dissonance on display by our Trump supporting friends on here.

They spent days saying, "that's not what he meant!!" and Trump said, "Hold my beer" and showed us the crowd heard EXACTLY what his critics said was the message and just repeated it at the very next rally. We're supposed to, I guess, pretend that the Tweets and the chant are unrelated, but of course one led directly to the other, like night follows day.
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Hah, so true. The obvious intent of Trump aside, that is pretty funny.

Dog whistle, dog whistle....we're not calling dogs, really!.. dog whistle...supporters blow the regular whistle....OOPS! You guys, you're supposed to hint at being a racist, bigot, etc., in a way that everyone KNOWS it, but you can lie and deny you meant that! You're doing it wrong!!!
 
The most racist people in our government are Omar, AOC, Tlaib, and Pressley.

It's not even close.

This fabricated outrage is how the media and left try to distract from that very clear and real truth.

It's not working. The vast majority of America is vehemently against these four embarassments to this nation.

Trump is going to keep these four women as relevant as possible because it absolutely ensures his reelection.
 
HumblePi said:
It boils right down to the wealthy corporate and private contributors to his campaign. He was speaking of Paul Ryan and how prior to the election he was totally hating Trump. We all remember how much Paul Ryan criticized Trump before the election but after the election, Paul Ryan found a way to fall in line with Trump. He's just one republican that represented a entire class of republicans in leadership that are responsible for normalizing this president. With all of Trump's bad behavior, democrats spoke out against it, his political opponents spoke out against it, the never-Trumpers spoke out against it. What gave Trump normalcy was the silence of people like Paul Ryan, the silence of people like Mitch McConnell, and the republican financial groups that decided that in their silence they would give a nod to this president and work with him. That is what created normalcy for this president.

If you look at the republican leadership -- leaders often survive by not taking controversial positions. Nancy Pelosi doesn't really want to talk about impeachment, Mitch McConnell though he creates controversy with his decisions, has not been out there leading the national narrative on it. We haven't heard much from Chuck Schumer except for his short condemnation of Trump for what happened at his rally. Part of the survival of political leaders is kind of this milk-toast silence and that's what we got from Paul Ryan and that's what we're getting from the majority of republicans in Congress. They're only trying to survive because many are up for re-election. Once that pendulum swings even further against Trump, they will have no choice but to reject his racism because unless they do, they will lose in 2020 along with Trump.
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I'm sure that's true. Rick Wilson is a long time GOP operative and now never Trumper, and he recounted an exchange with one Republican when he asked him why he wasn't repudiating Trump, and this person responded with the date +1 of the day for primary challengers to file. Point is Trump's approval in the GOP is sky high, and it's risky to go against him and invite a primary challenge, even in the reddest of districts.

So their moral cowardice is pragmatic, for sure, but it's still moral cowardice, and I hope it burns them all and those guys worried about primary challenges get to sit in the House minority for a decade or more, doing nothing, with no power.
 
cabse5 said:
Right. You don't know what free speech is.
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Nothing she said implicates free speech in any way. He can and has kicked out protesters at his rallies. And he can address the chants at that time, consistent with his own free speech, or try to cut them off by continuing with his speech, versus pausing to let the chant build and only continuing when it's died down.
 
Erod said:
The most racist people in our government are Omar, AOC, Tlaib, and Pressley.

It's not even close.

This fabricated outrage is how the media and left try to distract from that very clear and real truth.

It's not working. The vast majority of America is vehemently against these four embarassments to this nation.

Trump is going to keep these four women as relevant as possible because it absolutely ensures his reelection.
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Trump has the attention span of a gnat; there is way too much time before the main campaign/election!
 
Jay59 said:
Because I think first, then react. In the context, what Trump and McCarthy said makes perfect sense.

Only if you assume racism does it cause issues.
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What Trump and McCarthy said was Trump spoke quickly and tried to cut off the chant. We can all watch the tape and KNOW, 100%, that's a lie. How does a lie make perfect sense?
 
Rexedgar said:
Trump has the attention span of a gnat; there is way too much time before the main campaign/election!
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None of the Democrat candidates are generating any interest at all. Each one seriously alienates huge swaths of the base.

Meanwhile, Republicans are firmly united against them.

The impeachment failed. 137 Democrats voted against even trying it.

Comey is facing serious trouble soon, and others in the party, too. Dems are flailing desperately to get Barr off that case because they know what's coming.

Epstein is about to take important Dems down as that pedophelia case unfolds.

And AOC is CLEARLY in charge of the Democrat party now as Pelosi and the media can't figure out what to do.

Yummy.
 
cabse5 said:
Trump's tweet criticized women of color and, to the likes of tres, criticizing women of color means racism (while criticizing white women (and Asian women), for example, is not racism).

EDIT: So, who's the racist, here? Seems obvious to me. Or is tres trying to redefine the meaning of racism?
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He told four women of color, citizens, members of Congress, to go back to their ****hole countries. And then the crowd repeated that sentiment at the very next rally.

If he'd have just "criticized" them, which he does often to all kinds of people, this wouldn't be an issue.
 
Integrityrespec said:
His silence was deafening, his lack of encouraging that chant spoke volumes. His supporters felt his displeasure.
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LOL. No he didn't encourage it at all, he just heard the chanting start, paused to let it build, let it die down, preening like a peacock the whole time, THEN resumed his attack on Omar.

What more could he have done to discourage it? Nothing!! says the cult!
 
Mach said:
I like your optimism, but Fox news has a lot of viewers for a reason. I hope you're right. I'd like to think that as well, that the initial seduction of the public by Trump...an outsider businessman gonna set things straight in the federal government!!!...wore off after the first few months. And now it's just about saving face for the public, and of course the GOP had a field day for two year getting all their favorite people reduced in taxes, government contracts, de-regulation to allow them to build projects that pollute, a real Christmas miracle, appointed judges from right wing fundie-nutter polishing school...

I'd like to think more independents and moderates will vote Trump out next election, all things equal, that may be plenty. But Hillary had it in the bag too until Russia got going, illegal email hack surprise, Comey put his finger on the scale, etc.

Also, a Democratic candidate has not yet been selected...the right wing machine will unload its payload on whoever is chosen, and that too will have an effect. Trump has been under fire all this time, and he's still flailing around but at similar disapproval ratings as 6 mo ago...and a year ago, and a year and a half ago....
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He also has the identical approval numbers from two years ago. That's not good. Those independent voters that didn't like Hillary voted for Trump. Those independents that were Bernie supporters, voted for Trump. Here's an interesting statistic from the 2016 election. '4.4 million people who voted for Barack Obama in 2012 failed to vote in the 2016 election. Of that group, 36 percent were black — about 1.6 million people.'

This whole hate thing against 'the squad' accomplished something positive for the democrats, it will bring in more minority votes. No matter who wins the nomination for President, if it's one of the women, she will choose a man for her VP running mate. If it's a male, he will choose either a woman and even a black woman like Kamala to be his VP running mate.

I actually can't see how a gender, racial and ethnicity mix can possibly lose in 2020.
 
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Erod said:
The most racist people in our government are Omar, AOC, Tlaib, and Pressley.

It's not even close.

This fabricated outrage is how the media and left try to distract from that very clear and real truth.

It's not working. The vast majority of America is vehemently against these four embarassments to this nation.

Trump is going to keep these four women as relevant as possible because it absolutely ensures his reelection.
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What racist things did those 4 say? Please back it up with links.

Did they say "Whitey is bad and blacks are awesome"? Did they say "Hispanics are better than everyone else"? Things like that?
 
Erod said:
None of the Democrat candidates are generating any interest at all. Each one seriously alienates huge swaths of the base.

Meanwhile, Republicans are firmly united against them.

The impeachment failed. 137 Democrats voted against even trying it.

Comey is facing serious trouble soon, and others in the party, too. Dems are flailing desperately to get Barr off that case because they know what's coming.

Epstein is about to take important Dems down as that pedophelia case unfolds.

And AOC is CLEARLY in charge of the Democrat party now as Pelosi and the media can't figure out what to do.

Yummy.
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None of the Dems are generating any interest at all? I live in NH. They are all here all the time. I can tell you and everyone else that you don't know what you're talking about.

The impeachment failed? What impeachment? That was something one Congressional rep pitched so they would hold a vote this week.

Comey is in trouble? Yes, we've been hearing that for the last 2 1/2 years. Where are the indictments against Comey? In the mail with Mexico's check for the wall?

What important Dems is Epstein about to take down? Biden? Sanders? Warren? And how do you know what Epstein is going to do? Please share the source of your intel.

AOC is one of 435 Congressional reps. She owns space in everyone's head, from you to Trump. Clearly she is in charge of the Republican Party now. The President of the United States even seems to think he's running against her next year. He can't stop talking about her.
 
Jay59 said:
An the sense that any good public speaker relishes crowd response, perhaps. But the look on his face shows impatience. He does not want to pause at that point.

When fascists come to USA they will call themselves anti-fascist and accuse others of what they do and desire.
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LOL. He doesn't want to pause, but does, for 13 full seconds, until the chant dies down.

 
JasperL said:
LOL. He doesn't want to pause, but does, for 13 full seconds, until the chant dies down.

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I'm waiting for one of the citizens of Trump Fan Nation to say he stood there, preening like an ass, for 13 seconds because it wasn't his fault. Hillary made him do it. The teleprompter got water on it. The fake news media managed to silence him. Take your pick of one of his usual lies.
 
Erod said:
The most racist people in our government are Omar, AOC, Tlaib, and Pressley.

It's not even close.

This fabricated outrage is how the media and left try to distract from that very clear and real truth.

It's not working. The vast majority of America is vehemently against these four embarassments to this nation.

Trump is going to keep these four women as relevant as possible because it absolutely ensures his reelection.
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What's comical about the approach you put in bold is that essentially Trump is saying 4 freshmen congresswomen have more power and represent the broader Democratic Party, which is simply not true. He would be more correct in focusing on them if they were senators, but his schtick is as much of a distraction as anything else. He hasn't challenged them on policy, only on what they supposedly represent. His base will buy whatever he's selling, but I don't think independents who went his way are buying it. So the flip side to this is he's going to look like a bully for picking on 4 new congresswomen and he's the POTUS. Some folks like bullies, most people don't.

What's been most telling about who Trump is as a leader is the walk back he's done regarding the NC rally. He didn't have the cojones (or conviction) to tell his supporters that he didn't disagree with their "send her back" sentiment as it happened. Instead he stood there silently watching and then said he didn't agree with it when he's in the Oval Office and asked about it.
 
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