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AOC to DHS chief: Border agents shared 'images of my violent rape'...

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He was also asked several times about a secret Facebook group of current and former Border Patrol agents that contained more than 10,000 members and included posts mocking migrants and the deaths of children in custody and suggesting harm to Democratic lawmakers. After the group's existence was revealed by a ProPublica report, McAleenan announced DHS was investigating the "disturbing" and "inexcusable" posts.

...McAleenan shot back after Ocasio-Cortez asked about whether the separating of children and families led to a "dehumanizing culture" within Customs and Border Protection. "We do not have a dehumanizing culture at CBP," he said touting that the agency, "rescues 4,000 people a year" and is "committed to the well-being of everyone that they interact with."

He said the posts were "unacceptable" but "I don't think it's fair to apply them to the entire organization or that even the members of that group believed or supported those posts."
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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez grilled DHS chief Kevin McAleenan

The rape culture in our government runs to the top. We should really expect that his system would treat those he hates with any humanity? The cruelty's the point, in his politics and in his personal life.

Good job, AOC.
 
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j brown's body said:
The rape culture in our government runs to the top. We should really expect that his system would treat those he hates with any humanity? The cruelty's the point, in his politics and in his personal life.

Good job, AOC.
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I’m old enough to remember when liberals supported free speech.
 
AmNat said:
I’m old enough to remember when liberals supported free speech.
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Still do. Bit govt employees on the clock have some limits to their speech. Posting rape pics about someone appears to go over the line. Perhaps not illegal, but certainly grounds for disciplinary action. If you can’t stand criticism without such a response, look for another job. Run for office, for example.
 
AmNat said:
I’m old enough to remember when liberals supported free speech.
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So you're not bothered by the culture of violence?
 
Nickyjo said:
Still do. Bit govt employees on the clock have some limits to their speech. Posting rape pics about someone appears to go over the line. Perhaps not illegal, but certainly grounds for disciplinary action. If you can’t stand criticism without such a response, look for another job. Run for office, for example.
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Would any of us want our daughter in the care of men who pass the time by photoshopping rapes? I hope not. I mean, yeah, I get it's only AOC, and the hatred expressed towards her by some suggests that she deserves it, but yeah, let's find that line.
 
Nickyjo said:
Still do. Bit govt employees on the clock have some limits to their speech. Posting rape pics about someone appears to go over the line. Perhaps not illegal, but certainly grounds for disciplinary action. If you can’t stand criticism without such a response, look for another job. Run for office, for example.
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Do you have any evidence that they were on the clock when these things were posted?
 
j brown's body said:
The rape culture in our government runs to the top. We should really expect that his system would treat those he hates with any humanity? The cruelty's the point, in his politics and in his personal life.

Good job, AOC.
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Ocasio-Cortez should shut her trap.... She vote NO twice to send funds the the border? She wants ICE abolished so pay no attention to her!
 
Nancy Pelosi must be ready to strangle her.
 
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.McAleenan shot back after Ocasio-Cortez asked about whether the separating of children and families led to a "dehumanizing culture" within Customs and Border Protection. "We do not have a dehumanizing culture at CBP," he said touting that the agency, "rescues 4,000 people a year" and is "committed to the well-being of everyone that they interact with."

He said the posts were "unacceptable" but "I don't think it's fair to apply them to the entire organization or that even the members of that group believed or supported those posts."
 
AmNat said:
Do you have any evidence that they were on the clock when these things were posted?
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I will actually make it even broader and claim that government employees can be fired even when they are off the clock for certain forms of speech.
When people get such jobs sign contracts which include many restrictions of the "freedom of speech." Take for example the case of the military. Do you think that an officer who is found to say kneel in front of the flag when he is off the clock that he will avoid consequences?
 
There is ZERO evidence that even one current or former border patrol agent is in that chat group/forum.
 
AmNat said:
I’m old enough to remember when liberals supported free speech.
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I'm old enough to have grown up with parents who would have never wanted to see that stuff in the house. Now...People their age are doing this on our dime and using city resources fantasizing about raping a politician who is the age of their own children...

You can't hide behind free speech when it's a private group on facebook. Sorry.
 
pamak said:
I will actually make it even broader and claim that government employees can be fired even when they are off the clock for certain forms of speech.
When people get such jobs sign contracts which include many restrictions of the "freedom of speech." Take for example the case of the military. Do you think that an officer who is found to say kneel in front of the flag when he is off the clock that he will avoid consequences?
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That is precisely the sort of political speech protected by Pickering vs. Board of Education.

As I said, I’m old enough to remember when liberals supported free speech.
 
AmNat said:
That is precisely the sort of political speech protected by Pickering vs. Board of Education.
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From what I know SCOTUS does not recognize unlimited freedom of political speech in education. If the speech disrupts the class then the speech is not protected.

p.s. found it

Tinker v. Des Moines Indep. Cmty. Sch. Dist., 393 U.S. 503 (1969)


Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District - Wikipedia

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969), was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court that defined First Amendment rights of students in U.S. public schools. The Tinker test, also known as the "substantial disruption" test, is still used by courts today to determine whether a school's interest to prevent disruption infringes upon students' First Amendment rights....

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The Court held that for school officials to justify censoring speech, they "must be able to show that [their] action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint," that the conduct that would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school."
 
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AmNat said:
That is precisely the sort of political speech protected by Pickering vs. Board of Education.

As I said, I’m old enough to remember when liberals supported free speech.
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Really, because I remember a little different attitude from cultists when a couple was sharing bedroom talk, expressing there work and their personal beliefs ( turned out to be 100% accurate) that trump was unfit for office.

That was two people and cultists are still claiming the FBI is corrupt...

This is thousands...
 
pamak said:
From what I know SCOTUS does not recognize unlimited freedom of political speech even inside a class. If the speech disrupts the classroom then the speech is not protected.

p.s. found it

Tinker v. Des Moines Indep. Cmty. Sch. Dist., 393 U.S. 503 (1969)


Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District - Wikipedia

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969), was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court that defined First Amendment rights of students in U.S. public schools. The Tinker test, also known as the "substantial disruption" test, is still used by courts today to determine whether a school's interest to prevent disruption infringes upon students' First Amendment rights....

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The Court held that for school officials to justify censoring speech, they "must be able to show that [their] action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint," that the conduct that would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school."
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I have no idea what you think this has to do with anything.

GDViking said:
Really, because I remember a little different attitude from cultists when a couple was sharing bedroom talk, expressing there work and their personal beliefs ( turned out to be 100% accurate) that trump was unfit for office.

That was two people and cultists are still claiming the FBI is corrupt...

This is thousands...
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Get back to me when someone in that Facebook group is investigating AOC.
 
AmNat said:
I have no idea what you think this has to do with anything.
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You did not explain why you thought it was a good idea to bring the case you mentioned from education to make a point. But let's bypass the sudden change of tone (after I brought another SCOTUS case of free speech in education) and see the issue more broadly



The First Amendment is not unlimited. Like other amendments, under certain circumstances a government can infringe even constitutional rights.

Of course, in order for the government to infringe the constitutional right of free speech, it has to show a compelling reason instead of mere desire to eliminate unpopular opinions. In the examples I mentioned earlier about the military and the law enforcement, the government cannot expect from an officer who disrespects the flag to inspire troops in battle and order them to sacrifice their life for that flag. And a law enforcement officer who employees hate speech cannot function effectively in his role when such officers are also witnesses in court and their credibility affects the case the government makes against criminals of different race or ethnicity.

There are no constitutional rights to be a police or army officer. Thus, whoever says stupid things on or off the clock cannot expect first amendment protection in every case.
 
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AmNat said:
I have no idea what you think this has to do with anything.



Get back to me when someone in that Facebook group is investigating AOC.
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What the hell does that have to do with anything???
 
AmNat said:
Do you have any evidence that they were on the clock when these things were posted?
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No I don’t. I suppose if they posted rape fantasies on their own time it’s excusable. They’re the kind of public servants we should have serving us. Sorry if I falsely accused them.
 
Nickyjo said:
Still do. Bit govt employees on the clock have some limits to their speech. Posting rape pics about someone appears to go over the line. Perhaps not illegal, but certainly grounds for disciplinary action. If you can’t stand criticism without such a response, look for another job. Run for office, for example.
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no they don't please see the first amendment.
 
pamak said:
From what I know SCOTUS does not recognize unlimited freedom of political speech in education. If the speech disrupts the class then the speech is not protected.

p.s. found it

Tinker v. Des Moines Indep. Cmty. Sch. Dist., 393 U.S. 503 (1969)


Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District - Wikipedia

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969), was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court that defined First Amendment rights of students in U.S. public schools. The Tinker test, also known as the "substantial disruption" test, is still used by courts today to determine whether a school's interest to prevent disruption infringes upon students' First Amendment rights....

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The Court held that for school officials to justify censoring speech, they "must be able to show that [their] action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint," that the conduct that would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school."
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cool what school are they in that would disrupt class?
 
pamak said:
You did not explain why you thought it was a good idea to bring the case you mentioned from education to make a point. But let's bypass the sudden change of tone (after I brought another SCOTUS case of free speech in education) and see the issue more broadly
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I generally assume that the people I interact with here have access to Google or some other search engine. Though since you still think the case I mentioned was about education, it's apparent that you haven't made use of one.
 
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