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House passes bill that would raise the federal minimum wage to $15

sjmay said:
And with that, the economy just takes a huge giant dump...

It's a show bill designed to say, hey look voters.....we care...... and when it kills the economy, it won't matter to them, they will have their 174K salaries and guaranteed health care, and retirement etc,

Absolute nonsense.
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That's the standard conservative answer, 'raising the wages of the lowest paid workers will tank the economy.' Funny how that argument is never used when corporate CEOs get hundreds of million in bonuses and golden parachutes.

What happens in the real world is that low paid workers, who have barely enough money, get to buy things that they never before could afford. That boosts the economy, not depresses it.
 
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Winston said:
You should try living on 18k a year and see if you like it.
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That's not meant to be a living wage.

Such jobs used to be for students, and supplemental part time income. Not a career job.

Maybe people shouldn't procreate until they can afford to.
 
MTAtech said:
That's the standard conservative answer, 'raising the wages of the lowest paid workers will tank the economy.' Funny how that argument is never used when corporate CEOs get hundreds of million in bonuses and golden parachutes.
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What will happen is everyone will want a raise. Unions will demand more. Unless we also protect more against free trade, we will lose even more manufacturing jobs.
 
There should be a stipulation regarding cost of living. That makes a bid difference
 
Lord of Planar said:
That's not meant to be a living wage.

Such jobs used to be for students, and supplemental part time income. Not a career job.

Maybe people shouldn't procreate until they can afford to.
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Stopping people from procreating when is convenient for society tragically, is not a workable solution.

As for jobs being meant for this, or that, obviously the job is not just for a student, since there is an owner there, whose dream is invested in the company. So, is the job just a side gig afterthought for the owner as well?
 
Winston said:
some people don't have any options. full time minimum wage work should afford someone at least with means to survive.. apartment, car, groceries, health insurance.
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But, the right has to defend millionaires and billionaires. How else can they afford their 10th vacation home and their 20th high priced sport car and their private jet?

And plenty of other countries pay livable wages, and the business owners can still be rich, and the quality of life and happiness of citizens is much better than this country where people are working for slave wages, barely getting by, while the rich fly on private jets and continue to fight for more, as if having more money than they can live on for generations isn't enough
 
Lord of Planar said:
What will happen is everyone will want a raise. Unions will demand more. Unless we also protect more against free trade, we will lose even more manufacturing jobs.
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I think many union contracts are tied to the federal minimum wage, so they will see an automatic increase as well.
This is not as it sounds, about protecting the little guy.
Raising the minimum wage could actually harm the little guy!
 
Lord of Planar said:
What will happen is everyone will want a raise. Unions will demand more. Unless we also protect more against free trade, we will lose even more manufacturing jobs.
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You make that sound like a bad thing. In America workers have fallen far behind in the income gap. Over the last few decades, the income gains have been concentrated in the top 0.1%. Raising the MW helps redress that problem.
 
MTAtech said:
Then the "'populist' GOP will have to explain to voters why the long overdue raising of the MW was killed by them.
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It's called economics.

And let's face it, the average American has no idea what that means.

So I wouldn't even bother explaining. Just tell those stupid voters that we know what's best for them...and raising the minimum wage isn't it.
 
Winston said:
Stopping people from procreating when is convenient for society tragically, is not a workable solution.

As for jobs being meant for this, or that, obviously the job is not just for a student, since there is an owner there, whose dream is invested in the company. So, is the job just a side gig afterthought for the owner as well?
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I'm not saying to force them too. I'm saying it's not our responsibility to reward them for their stupidity.
 
longview said:
I think many union contracts are tied to the federal minimum wage, so they will see an automatic increase as well.
This is not as it sounds, about protecting the little guy.
Raising the minimum wage could actually harm the little guy!
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How does also raising the wages of other workers hurt MW earners?
 
MTAtech said:
You make that sound like a bad thing. In America workers have fallen far behind in the income gap. Over the last few decades, the income gains have been concentrated in the top 0.1%. Raising the MW helps redress that problem.
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Blame president Clinton for our wages, as he sold out our nation to Asia.
 
Winston said:
No, they don't. What would you say to people who had kids young?
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And considering most jobs available are service industry jobs. The largest employers in the country pay low wages like Walmart, Amazon. What other jobs are people supposed to get when there are not enough high paying jobs for everybody. Plus, who the heck is going to do those jobs if everybody managed to get a higher paying job?

God, I"m so sick of conservatives posting nothing but complete nonsense not rooted in reality and having no ability to refute intelligently all the arguments that show people don't have options, as has been pointed out. THey live in a complete fantasy land

But of course, if its a job they have, they would demand livable wages, that is for sure.
 
Winston said:
Working 2 jobs, going to school, and raising children. :lamo Christ you guys are in love with the idea that you can just do it all aren't you?

Tell ya what.. if hard work leads to wealth and comfort, then why aren't the hardest working people the richest?
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It's because rich people have access to higher education, child care, and don't have to worry about filling up fridges. Anyone who thinks Jared and Ivanka keep getting richer because they are just hard workers is a poor person deluding themselves.

In short, wealth allows for time. If you have time and don't worry about basic necessities like housing, you can spend more time learning to make your material wealth grow. The crux of capitalism is that laborers don't need or want the time to improve their own conditions, therefor they shouldn't have any.

It's why hardcore capitalists have fought every measure to give workers any amount of time to themselves. Mandatory breaks, lunch hours etc - every single one has been a battle as workers improving their conditions has never been high on the priority list of most corporations.

Sent from the Oval Office using Putin's MacBook, and Barr's Wi-Fi password.
 
Mycroft said:
It's called economics.

And let's face it, the average American has no idea what that means.

So I wouldn't even bother explaining. Just tell those stupid voters that we know what's best for them...and raising the minimum wage isn't it.
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When someone fails to explain something it's because they can't.

The economics is sound for raising the MW. It lifts many boats. Arguing that MW workers shouldn't get a raise when the GOP is fond of giving billionaires tax-cuts will be difficult to be explained in a way that's not laughable.
 
Winston said:
So, tough **** basically.
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It's tough **** for others, but when it comes to problems conservatives have, the government better do something. The classic example is how they would say to inner city people struggling or lsoing jobs "oh, just move" or "go get a better job" and then when it came to their manufacturing or coal mining jobs, Trump and the government must do something to bring those jobs back. WHat happened to moving or getting a better job? Typical right wing hypocrisy
 
Lord of Planar said:
I'm not saying to force them too. I'm saying it's not our responsibility to reward them for their stupidity.
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Who's saying reward them? If you think a $15/hour wage is some type of reward.. then you haven't crunched the numbers on how much money it takes to raise a family in the world today.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
It's tough **** for others, but when it comes to problems conservatives have, the government better do something. The classic example is how they would say to inner city people struggling or lsoing jobs "oh, just move" or "go get a better job" and then when it came to their manufacturing or coal mining jobs, Trump and the government must do something to bring those jobs back. WHat happened to moving or getting a better job? Typical right wing hypocrisy
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Or the giant bailout to farmers from Trump because he was afraid of losing his ass with that electorate. Hypocrisy knows no limits in conservatism.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Blame president Clinton for our wages, as he sold out our nation to Asia.
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Don't blame Clinton or foreigners. Most low paid workers are service workers. McDonalds can't ship those jobs to China.

The problem is that unions have been on a decline and the owners of the businesses can grab most of the profits for themselves, while workers have no bargaining power. That's why there has been a concentration of income.
 
Winston said:
Working 2 jobs, going to school, and raising children. :lamo Christ you guys are in love with the idea that you can just do it all aren't you?

Tell ya what.. if hard work leads to wealth and comfort, then why aren't the hardest working people the richest?
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For the most part, they are, but there is a time where working smarter than harder comes into play, but again, you say options are limited, I say bull****, people are limited, options are out there, I went from homeless, to making 100K a year....but hey, let's excuse others for not making choices.
 
MTAtech said:
That's the standard conservative answer, 'raising the wages of the lowest paid workers will tank the economy.' Funny how that argument is never used when corporate CEOs get hundreds of million in bonuses and golden parachutes.

What happens in the real world is that low paid workers, who have barely enough money, get to buy things that they never before could afford. That boosts the economy, not depresses it.
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Until their jobs get replaced....you hit most businesses with a 50-100% wage increase, people are getting laid off, jobs are getting automated, etc. But don't let reality hit you in the head.
 
MTAtech said:
Don't blame Clinton or foreigners. Most low paid workers are service workers. McDonalds can't ship those jobs to China.
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I most certainly will. I saw high tech jobs paying $20+/hr in the late 90's close plant's like crazy after he signed free trade deals in the world. I was making $72k base when I was laid off in 2002, when my job was shipped to Malaysia. It too me several years to make that much again in another job because we then had a surplus of skilled labor. Supply and demand of labor brought down our wages, dramatically.

I blame illegal immigrants for keeping our low skill jobs down in wages. Again, supply and demand of labor.

MTAtech said:
The problem is that unions have been on a decline and the owners of the businesses can grab most of the profits for themselves, while workers have no bargaining power. That's why there has been a concentration of income.
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Yep. As manufacturing jobs die, union membership and power dies with it.

Excess of available employees makes it harder to organize a union.

Again, blame president Clinton for selling out our nation with free trade.
 
MTAtech said:
How does also raising the wages of other workers hurt MW earners?
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It causes the cost of goods sold of everything to increase, and since the tax rate also increases,
the people at the bottom have less effective disposable income.
 
Winston said:
Who's saying reward them? If you think a $15/hour wage is some type of reward.. then you haven't crunched the numbers on how much money it takes to raise a family in the world today.
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$15 per hour??? Why not $50 per hour, or $100 per hour. $15 per hour gives an employee $31000 per year and of course that won't do anything to prices of say a hamburger will it? Cost of an Apartment? Cost of food and other services? Do you people really live in an alternate universe where rising wages have no impact on prices? How does rising prices impact your $15 per hour wage?
 
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