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House passes bill that would raise the federal minimum wage to $15

Kushinator said:
This legislation gets the ball rolling for a legitimate means of indexing minimum-wage growth. I think this is an absolutely wonderful idea because it (eventually) makes minimum-wage growth a function of overall wage conditions. If median wages are increasing, so will the wage floor... If median wages remain stagnant (in the event of declines in wage rates, i don't believe there is language for rolling back the wage floor) minimum wages will hold flat. Of course, in order to get there, it will take one wage hike of $1.15/hr in 2019 and then six wage hikes of $1.10/hr each following year until 2025. At that point, the minimum wage will be effectively tied to that of the median wage.

Now given that Trump and McConnell will unlikely support this piece of legislation, i don't see this happening until 2021 at the earliest.

The rest of the article can be found here

CNBC has a more detailed analysis here
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As worthwhile as the vote to impeach yesterday. Isn't it about time for vacation? Nancy looks tired.

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pilot16 said:
Thats why I dont know if its smart. States are already taking the initiative but on their own. Does anyone really think WVA can afford $15 an hour jobs? Even Walmarts and McDonalds have closed there. For some towns, Dollar General is it.
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I hear you. But even in the depressed states like a WVA there are areas that, because of inflation and a higher standard of living, a raise is needed. I hate to sound cold hearted but just because to coal mining areas are depressed and refuse to adapt, that shouldn't be a reason to drag down the whole state. And I speak from a little bit of experience. I'm in NY, upstate is a waste land for the most part. Once manufacturing moved out they didn't adapt.. But downstate is booming. The MW HAD to be raised to accommodate downstate. It's not fair to upstate, but too bad. They still think it's 1970 and manufacturing will be coming back, they're not.. In WVA coal isn't coming back either.

Food, Insurance, prices for services and goods are going to continue to rise. And this is 6 years down the road. It's not overnight. IMO it needs to be done.
 
Winston said:
Yeah, your right, companies will cut labor cost almost anyway they can.
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One of my kids friends moved to another state because the min wage was higher. Was there literally three weeks and they automated and laid her off. Then she had to break her lease to move back home with her parents. Ended up a mess with roommates and all.
 
pilot16 said:
One of my kids friends moved to another state because the min wage was higher. Was there literally three weeks and they automated and laid her off. Then she had to break her lease to move back home with her parents. Ended up a mess with roommates and all.
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But according to some here.....the DATA says that won't happen.
 
Winston said:
I don't think minimum wage is that thrilling you should try it. Quit whatever you do and go work for an Arby's for a couple years. I'd like to hear your opinion afterwards.
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I happened to marry a guy who got transferred a lot. And because we agreed early on that he would be the primary breadwinner of the family and I would be the one to pull up stakes and start over each time, I literally did have to start over from scratch in a lot of places we moved. While it gave me the opportunity to attain a wide diversity of skills and experience and skill sets, I did start over numerous times at minimum wage to get my foot in the door and show an employer what I was worth. The only time I ever stayed at minimum wage more than a couple of weeks or so was in one job I was helping out a friend and that was purely voluntary on my part. Sometimes I would need to change jobs two or three times in order to get to a professional level position, but I was never stuck at minimum wage for long.

And neither is anybody else who is worth more than minimum wage at least in an economic climate like we have now and there is a strong seller's market for labor.
 
gdgyva said:
not just no

but HELL NO

you want to talk...lets be realistic

national from $ 7.25 to $ 9.00 immediate

then a look at the wage every 3-5 years, and adjust for inflation

if communities and states want to go higher, let them

$ 9.00 as a NATIONAL number is fine
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Three hundred sixty dollars a week before taxes. For those who don't own a home, you can count on at least eight hundred a month for rent, that leaves four hundred a month for everything else. Welcome to the working poor. Now let's give a big round of tax cuts to the wealthy and corporate america.
 
pilot16 said:
Why do you say adults? Was that a component of the particular bill? Because I know near where I live the ice cream parlors that are only open 5 months a year and hire 16-21 year olds are saying they will close if the min wage goes that high.
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Because he has said he has adults working for him.

I know what the grocery stores and ice cream parlors pay the kids, yes. I have no idea if that was a component of this bill. I'm saying that $11 an hour is not a decent wage for an adult, and I wouldn't throw that number out there as the person paying it to adults as if it is.

I can't think of a place you could live comfortably in our state on $22,000 a year as an adult.
 
sjmay said:
BS, everyone has options, choices, they just aren't strong enough to make them, or won't sacrifice to make them.
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Yeah, does that go for the handicapped, mentally challenged and the elderly that for whatever reasons are working for poverty wages?
 
tres borrachos said:
Because he has said he has adults working for him.

I know what the grocery stores and ice cream parlors pay the kids, yes. I have no idea if that was a component of this bill. I'm saying that $11 an hour is not a decent wage for an adult, and I wouldn't throw that number out there as the person paying it to adults as if it is.

I can't think of a place you could live comfortably in our state on $22,000 a year as an adult.
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Trailer Park, thats what I did on 18k.
 
gdgyva said:
was that a boast?

i stated facts

and for watching dogs, $ 11 bucks an hour seems like a fair wage to me

your opinion may vary....but it doesnt matter one iota...mine is the only one that counts

and no one twisted anyone's arm to work for me.....they know where the door is....i have a full list of those who want to work here
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Must be a lot of people out there with low standards that feel they can’t land anything better.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Yeah, does that go for the handicapped, mentally challenged and the elderly that for whatever reasons are working for poverty wages?
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Yes, yes it does.

Interesting how NOW you ignore the multitude of programs set up for them though....
 
ocean515 said:
Isn't it interesting how the New Democratic Party is trying to buy votes with other peoples money?

Gee, like that's never happened before.
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Kinda like Trump literally buying votes with farm bailouts from the treasury huh
 
Winston said:
Kinda like Trump literally buying votes with farm bailouts from the treasury huh
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LOL

You actually thought this was the equivalent? Are you aware Obama signed off on Farm Bills?

Would you like to rethink and try again?
 
The Federal Minimum Wage should be abolished and any MW hike should be left up to the states.

The FMW acts as a "one size fits all"...and that is not necessarily a good thing.
 
Roadvirus said:
The Federal Minimum Wage should be abolished and any MW hike should be left up to the states.

The FMW acts as a "one size fits all"...and that is not necessarily a good thing.
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That would be acceptable only if fed programs in poor states addressing poverty there do not use a single dollar in excess of what these poor states have contributed to the fed coffers. Unfortunately, many of the low wage states are also the poorest one and count on other states' dollars which is transferred to them through federal taxation.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

You actually thought this was the equivalent? Are you aware Obama signed off on Farm Bills?

Would you like to rethink and try again?
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Nothing to try again, it's a strident point. Trump buying votes and you being mad about *other* politicians buying votes just shows you don't care about politicians buying votes and it's just a talking point you've heard that you haven't thought that much about.
 
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I’ve yet to hear from the media bobble-heads or thereby our supposedly representatives the fact that a $15 minimum wage is about intelligent as a flat tax, unless... Alabama and regions within Alabama have much lower cost of living (COL) than New York state and NYC or California and Los Angeles. Maybe Alabama should be $13 and NYC and LA $17.

If the only thing that happens is raise the minimum wage, incomes to those that receive government benefits will go over the maximum limit and they will lose the entire benefit, which could, by far, exceed the increase in wage to the minimum wage. Unless government benefits made according adjustments, the positive effects of the raise in minimum wage would be compromised. I’ve not heard this stuff discussed in the news.

Even with adjustment in maximum income for benefits allowed due to increased minimum wage, there will still be a huge amount of government benefits to those with the least taken off the taxpayers of America. Instead, business will have to pass the cost of increased wages onto the buyer, you and me. That includes low-wage earners. Before, those making less paid less in taxes so they paid zip into the benefits they received. Ooops. Theoretically, business may not pass on the entire cost to the buyer but instead absorb some on their own. Still, the lower-wage earners pay more than before.

At least I have heard, from Walmart’s CEO, that government benefits to lower wage-earners allows Walmart, and other companies, to pay their employees less. In other words, welfare to the poor is actually welfare to corps.
 
Winston said:
Nothing to try again, it's a strident point. Trump buying votes and you being mad about *other* politicians buying votes just shows you don't care about politicians buying votes and it's just a talking point you've heard that you haven't thought that much about.
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Let's think about your argument.

How many farmers do you think the President can "buy" with his farm assistance?

How many people can the House Dems buy through this minimum wage BS, using the revenue from mostly small business men and women?
 
ocean515 said:
Let's think about your argument.

How many farmers do you think the President can "buy" with his farm assistance?

How many people can the House Dems buy through this minimum wage BS, using the revenue from mostly small business men and women?
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The quantities are different but, the principle is the same.
 
Winston said:
Ocean complains about Democrats buying votes but supports Trump.. who buy votes.
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And the New Democratic Party loves to use the blood sweat and tears of our hard working men and women business owners to buy their votes.

And Winston doesn't care.
 
ocean515 said:
And the New Democratic Party loves to use the blood sweat and tears of our hard working men and women business owners to buy their votes.

And Winston doesn't care.
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Dems fighting for a higher MW actually fight for working people's interest rather than pander to them and serve the rich.
 
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