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China's rising tech scene threatens U.S. brain drain as 'sea turtles' return home

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From ABC News

China's rising tech scene threatens U.S. brain drain as 'sea turtles' return home

SHENZHEN, China — Between baskets filled with hard drives, memory sticks, LED lights and countless other bits of technology hardware, Jason Gui found what he was looking for: a handful of tiny batteries.

His business partner, Tiantian Zhang, whipped out her phone to pay for them via WeChat, the all-in-one messaging and payments app ubiquitous in China, and transferred about 4 yuan, or $0.60, for each battery.

The bustling wholesale market with its rows of vendors is part of Huaqiangbei, a subdistrict in the Chinese city of Shenzhen that has become known as the “Silicon Valley of hardware.”

For Gui, it’s better than that.

Silicon Valley was “a little bit slow for us,” Gui said over his workstation at Hax, a startup incubator in Shenzhen. “If you were to do this in the U.S., you would just be importing the same materials from China anyway.”

Gui, 28, and Zhang, 30, are known as “haigui,” or sea turtles, a term for foreign-educated Chinese people who have returned to China.

About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector.

COMMENT:-

<sarc>
Isn't it about time that Mr. Trump imposed tariffs on Chinese students? After all, they only come to the US and steal America's knowledge then export it without paying a dime for America's intellectual property (which is theft). Maybe a total embargo on imported Chinese students and a total ban on any export of American knowledge to China (with crushing sanctions being imposed on any other country that allows anything that is known to any American to be exported to China) is the way to go. I mean, if the Chinese can't get their knowledge from America then no other country in the world has any and that means that the Chinese will shortly be reduced to illiterate peasants which will prove the natural superiority of the United States of America since the US has been around for over 240 years and China has only existed since January 1, 1979 (barely 40 years)</sarc>.
 
But, there are a few Americans who are making lots of money and isn't that really what America is about? You know, a few getting rich at the expense of the rest of us?
 
From ABC News

China's rising tech scene threatens U.S. brain drain as 'sea turtles' return home

SHENZHEN, China — Between baskets filled with hard drives, memory sticks, LED lights and countless other bits of technology hardware, Jason Gui found what he was looking for: a handful of tiny batteries.

His business partner, Tiantian Zhang, whipped out her phone to pay for them via WeChat, the all-in-one messaging and payments app ubiquitous in China, and transferred about 4 yuan, or $0.60, for each battery.

The bustling wholesale market with its rows of vendors is part of Huaqiangbei, a subdistrict in the Chinese city of Shenzhen that has become known as the “Silicon Valley of hardware.”

For Gui, it’s better than that.

Silicon Valley was “a little bit slow for us,” Gui said over his workstation at Hax, a startup incubator in Shenzhen. “If you were to do this in the U.S., you would just be importing the same materials from China anyway.”

Gui, 28, and Zhang, 30, are known as “haigui,” or sea turtles, a term for foreign-educated Chinese people who have returned to China.

About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector.

COMMENT:-

<sarc>
Isn't it about time that Mr. Trump imposed tariffs on Chinese students? After all, they only come to the US and steal America's knowledge then export it without paying a dime for America's intellectual property (which is theft). Maybe a total embargo on imported Chinese students and a total ban on any export of American knowledge to China (with crushing sanctions being imposed on any other country that allows anything that is known to any American to be exported to China) is the way to go. I mean, if the Chinese can't get their knowledge from America then no other country in the world has any and that means that the Chinese will shortly be reduced to illiterate peasants which will prove the natural superiority of the United States of America since the US has been around for over 240 years and China has only existed since January 1, 1979 (barely 40 years)</sarc>.



“steal America's knowledge then export it without paying a dime for America's intellectual property (which is theft)”

What used to knock me out when I was actually working was when I’d express exasperation at something of obvious concern that I’d just learned and someone would pipe in “I knew about that, long ago”. I never got a good answer to my standard question “Why didn’t you say something?”.

I watched a program on IP theft where a company employee was telling a reporter that “Yeah. I was standing right there showing how everything was done while this guy (the guy from China) was taking notes. He just walked away, and that was it. So, I knew what he was doing.” Really? You knew and didn’t say anything? And the reporter, like so many today, didn’t ask him “Why didn’t you say/do something?”.

And another thing. I’m fine with China having our IP. As long as we have the I, which we do by far. The reason being, if China didn’t have the IP of ours that they do, all that comes out of that would cost a lot more to the American consumer. IP ownership helps the owner/company over the consumer/user.
 
From ABC News

China's rising tech scene threatens U.S. brain drain as 'sea turtles' return home

SHENZHEN, China — Between baskets filled with hard drives, memory sticks, LED lights and countless other bits of technology hardware, Jason Gui found what he was looking for: a handful of tiny batteries.

His business partner, Tiantian Zhang, whipped out her phone to pay for them via WeChat, the all-in-one messaging and payments app ubiquitous in China, and transferred about 4 yuan, or $0.60, for each battery.

The bustling wholesale market with its rows of vendors is part of Huaqiangbei, a subdistrict in the Chinese city of Shenzhen that has become known as the “Silicon Valley of hardware.”

For Gui, it’s better than that.

Silicon Valley was “a little bit slow for us,” Gui said over his workstation at Hax, a startup incubator in Shenzhen. “If you were to do this in the U.S., you would just be importing the same materials from China anyway.”

Gui, 28, and Zhang, 30, are known as “haigui,” or sea turtles, a term for foreign-educated Chinese people who have returned to China.

About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector.

COMMENT:-

<sarc>
Isn't it about time that Mr. Trump imposed tariffs on Chinese students? After all, they only come to the US and steal America's knowledge then export it without paying a dime for America's intellectual property (which is theft). Maybe a total embargo on imported Chinese students and a total ban on any export of American knowledge to China (with crushing sanctions being imposed on any other country that allows anything that is known to any American to be exported to China) is the way to go. I mean, if the Chinese can't get their knowledge from America then no other country in the world has any and that means that the Chinese will shortly be reduced to illiterate peasants which will prove the natural superiority of the United States of America since the US has been around for over 240 years and China has only existed since January 1, 1979 (barely 40 years)</sarc>.

Universities do not dispense intellectual property, and the Chinese students pay their tuition or are on a scholarship. IP is created by businesses.
 
Universities do not dispense intellectual property, and the Chinese students pay their tuition or are on a scholarship. IP is created by businesses.

Don't worry, Mr. Trump will issue an EO that forbids any foreigners from taking anything that the learn in the US out of the US.
 
<sarc>Isn't it about time that Mr. Trump imposed tariffs on Chinese students? After all, they only come to the US and steal America's knowledge then export it without paying a dime for America's intellectual property (which is theft). Maybe a total embargo on imported Chinese students and a total ban on any export of American knowledge to China (with crushing sanctions being imposed on any other country that allows anything that is known to any American to be exported to China) is the way to go

I would go the other way and provide them with free education in whatever field they want.
On the provision that they also complete a Master degree in social studies, and take that knowledge back to China with them.
 
From ABC News

China's rising tech scene threatens U.S. brain drain as 'sea turtles' return home

SHENZHEN, China — Between baskets filled with hard drives, memory sticks, LED lights and countless other bits of technology hardware, Jason Gui found what he was looking for: a handful of tiny batteries.

His business partner, Tiantian Zhang, whipped out her phone to pay for them via WeChat, the all-in-one messaging and payments app ubiquitous in China, and transferred about 4 yuan, or $0.60, for each battery.

The bustling wholesale market with its rows of vendors is part of Huaqiangbei, a subdistrict in the Chinese city of Shenzhen that has become known as the “Silicon Valley of hardware.”

For Gui, it’s better than that.

Silicon Valley was “a little bit slow for us,” Gui said over his workstation at Hax, a startup incubator in Shenzhen. “If you were to do this in the U.S., you would just be importing the same materials from China anyway.”

Gui, 28, and Zhang, 30, are known as “haigui,” or sea turtles, a term for foreign-educated Chinese people who have returned to China.

About 80 percent of Chinese students who get degrees abroad now go back — up from about 33 percent in 2007, according to China’s Ministry of Education. Some 15 percent take jobs in China’s booming tech sector.

COMMENT:-

<sarc>
Isn't it about time that Mr. Trump imposed tariffs on Chinese students? After all, they only come to the US and steal America's knowledge then export it without paying a dime for America's intellectual property (which is theft). Maybe a total embargo on imported Chinese students and a total ban on any export of American knowledge to China (with crushing sanctions being imposed on any other country that allows anything that is known to any American to be exported to China) is the way to go. I mean, if the Chinese can't get their knowledge from America then no other country in the world has any and that means that the Chinese will shortly be reduced to illiterate peasants which will prove the natural superiority of the United States of America since the US has been around for over 240 years and China has only existed since January 1, 1979 (barely 40 years)</sarc>.

China is trying to make things work for them. Trying to push education towards things they need, like people working in the high tech sector. The US isn't. That's where the difference will be in the future.
 
I would go the other way and provide them with free education in whatever field they want.
On the provision that they also complete a Master degree in social studies, and take that knowledge back to China with them.

You know that in China there are plenty of people who have opinions. But if they don't want to end up in prison, they learn to keep their mouths shut. With the new social credit system coming in next year, it'll get even more controlled.
 
Yes, that should solve the problem!

Indeed, and Mr. Trump's masterful trade war campaign has brought in enough Chinese money to cover the cost of the tariffs while reducing the growth in the Chinese economy to the lowest rate that it has had in 27+ years while permanently ending the DPRK's nuclear weapons program.

How is it possible that some people simply cannot see how brilliantly successful Mr. Trump has been as the greatest President of the United States of America in the history of America?
 
China is trying to make things work for them. Trying to push education towards things they need, like people working in the high tech sector. The US isn't. That's where the difference will be in the future.

Yes, I can see how having a government that is actively working towards obtaining what the country actually needs for the betterment of the greatest number of the country's people rather than a government that isn't just might make a difference.
 
You know that in China there are plenty of people who have opinions. But if they don't want to end up in prison, they learn to keep their mouths shut. With the new social credit system coming in next year, it'll get even more controlled.

I think someone missed their "detect sarcasm" roll. :)
 
Yes, I can see how having a government that is actively working towards obtaining what the country actually needs for the betterment of the greatest number of the country's people rather than a government that isn't just might make a difference.

The US, though, unlike China, is a democracy, which means its government only actively works towards the wants of the people - whether it's what they 'need' or not (as determined by whom you do not say...).

Since most people in the US are proudly dumber than **** in a dumpster, it's likely that - whatever the will of the government - the will of the people will remain tied to that blissful ignorance...
 
who'd have thunk it that this could be the real reason America is trying to stop allies doing business with Huawei and why Huawei has been deemed a threat to US national security

Huawei is spearheading the quantum communication technology in a bid to build "unhackable" networks. Cyber security experts have discussed whether the tech giant's efforts would make US eavesdropping techniques, once described by Edward Snowden, obsolete"

and as for intellectual theft America should not go there after the NSA was proven to be guilty of the same stealing tech from companies around the globe and passing it on to US companies and stealing data to help US companies to win contracts
 
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Indeed, and Mr. Trump's masterful trade war campaign has brought in enough Chinese money to cover the cost of the tariffs while reducing the growth in the Chinese economy to the lowest rate that it has had in 27+ years while permanently ending the DPRK's nuclear weapons program.

How is it possible that some people simply cannot see how brilliantly successful Mr. Trump has been as the greatest President of the United States of America in the history of America?

Fascinating. Two of the three articles you referred to in your post say the exact opposite of what you claimed.
 
You know that in China there are plenty of people who have opinions. But if they don't want to end up in prison, they learn to keep their mouths shut. With the new social credit system coming in next year, it'll get even more controlled.

That's coming to the USA, guaranteed.
 
The US, though, unlike China, is a democracy, which means its government only actively works towards the wants of the people - whether it's what they 'need' or not (as determined by whom you do not say...).

Since most people in the US are proudly dumber than **** in a dumpster, it's likely that - whatever the will of the government - the will of the people will remain tied to that blissful ignorance...

"Unless the citizenry is actively (and intelligently) involved in finding out what their government is doing and unless they are successfully ensuring that their government is doing only what it is supposed to be doing, "universal suffrage" and "regularly scheduled elections" are no more "Democracy" than boiling an egg is hatching a chicken." - attributed to "Agent X89A" (ca. 2001)
 
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Fascinating. Two of the three articles you referred to in your post say the exact opposite of what you claimed.

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My sarcasm detector has been dulled by factless Trumplover posts.
 
Isn't it about time that Mr. Trump imposed tariffs on Chinese students? After all, they only come to the US and steal America's knowledge then export it without paying a dime for America's intellectual property (which is theft).

They generally pay full price for their tuition. In contrast to illegal immigrants who the democrats want to give a free colllege education to.
 
That's coming to the USA, guaranteed.

It wouldn't surprise me. As soon as countries see how "successful" China is with this, that it's able to control people, many other countries will be jumping at it. Some things might be positive, but there'll also be a lot of negative with it
 
They generally pay full price for their tuition. In contrast to illegal immigrants who the democrats want to give a free colllege education to.

Ahh well, that's OK then. As long as we can make a profit selling them America's knowledge, everything is just peachy-keen. I mean, if those pinko commies couldn't come to American schools, then they wouldn't be able to get any education at all and would soon be living back in the Stone Age.

Right?
 
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