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Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center.

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Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center By Sam Dorman | Fox News (published 07/13/19, updated 07/14/19)

Police in Washington state say an armed man was shot and killed early Saturday after trying to attack a local Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention center. The Seattle Times reported that the unidentified man appeared outside of the Northwest Detention Center in Tacoma with a rifle and threw incendiary devices at both the facility and nearby propane tanks, at one point setting a vehicle on fire...The shooting took place hours after a rally in front of the detention center to protest planned mass deportation raids around the country.
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Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center | Fox News

This man was later identified as Willem Van Spronsen, 69, of Vashon Island.

Pierce County Medical Examiner’s Office identified the alleged assailant of the Tacoma ICE facility, shot and killed by police, as Willem Van Spronsen, 69, of Vashon Island. Van Spronsen had written some protest letters to the local paper several years ago but nothing stands out in relation to immigration activism.
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https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&udd...g-incendiary-devices-at-ice-detention-center/

It also appears that Mr. Van Spronsen was a member of ANTFIAS.

Deb Bartley, a friend of Van Spronsen’s for about 20 years, described him as an anarchist and anti-fascist, and she believes his attack on the detention center was intended to provoke a fatal conflict.
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Armed man attacking Tacoma’s ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting – The Seattle Times

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Will Van Spronsen was a long-time anarchist, anti-fascist and a kind, loving person. Here in Olympia some of us remember him as a skilled tarp structure builder from the Occupy encampment in 2011. Others remember him from the protests outside the NWDC last summer where he was accused of lunging at a cop and wrapping his arms around the officer’s neck and shoulders, as the officer was trying to arrest a 17-year-old protester. The very next day when he was released from jail he came right back to the encampment outside the center to support the other protesters.
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We Are The Fire That Will Melt ICE – Rest in power, Will Van Spronsen [Olympia WA] – PUGET SOUND ANARCHISTS

COMMENTARY: So another example of anti-fascist violence. At what point will those how excuse people who excuse the violence of ANTIFAS wake up and realize that they are just the Left's stormtroopers and to encourage them will result in greater levels of violence?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center | Fox News

This man was later identified as Willem Van Spronsen, 69, of Vashon Island.



It also appears that Mr. Van Spronsen was a member of ANTFIAS.

Armed man attacking Tacoma’s ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting – The Seattle Times

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We Are The Fire That Will Melt ICE – Rest in power, Will Van Spronsen [Olympia WA] – PUGET SOUND ANARCHISTS

COMMENTARY: So another example of anti-fascist violence. At what point will those how excuse people who excuse the violence of ANTIFAS wake up and realize that they are just the Left's stormtroopers and to encourage them will result in greater levels of violence?
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Don't hold your breath waiting for intelligent comments of condemnation coming from the anti-Trump brigade.
They're too busy trying to find racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia hidden in the words of this morning Trump's tweet.
 
Culling the heard.
 
trixare4kids said:
Don't hold your breath waiting for intelligent comments of condemnation coming from the anti-Trump brigade.
They're too busy trying to find racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia hidden in the words of this morning Trump's tweet.
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Most on the left aren't even aware of that more than 24-hours-ago incident and the only response I got in another thread from a radical lefty was the excuse that all protesters aren't the same.

In other words, the rabid left is allowed to distinguish between good and bad protesters on their side while at the same time classifying every protester on the right as neo-Nazi fascist racist.

(grin)
 
Captain Adverse said:
COMMENTARY: So another example of anti-fascist violence. At what point will those how excuse people who excuse the violence of ANTIFAS wake up and realize that they are just the Left's stormtroopers and to encourage them will result in greater levels of violence?
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1. Just to get this out of the way, I condemn what this guy did. He played with fire and got burned.

2. Antifa is like catnip to you people. Is it really their occasional violence that triggers you? I don't think it is. I think it's something else, something that's sitting right there in their name. :)
 
I don't think the Antifa-apologists will dare comment in this thread.
 
Phys251 said:
1. Just to get this out of the way, I condemn what this guy did. He played with fire and got burned.

2. Antifa is like catnip to you people. Is it really their occasional violence that triggers you? I don't think it is. I think it's something else, something that's sitting right there in their name. :)
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Actually, it's the fact that they CONSISTENTLY engage in violent actions which is CONSISTENTLY excused on the grounds of their noble, morally-correct right to "punch a Nazi." Of course anyone who does not agree with them is a Nazi. :coffeepap:
 
Captain Adverse said:
Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center | Fox News

This man was later identified as Willem Van Spronsen, 69, of Vashon Island.

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&udd...g-incendiary-devices-at-ice-detention-center/

It also appears that Mr. Van Spronsen was a member of ANTFIAS.

Armed man attacking Tacoma’s ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting – The Seattle Times

and...

We Are The Fire That Will Melt ICE – Rest in power, Will Van Spronsen [Olympia WA] – PUGET SOUND ANARCHISTS

COMMENTARY: So another example of anti-fascist violence. At what point will those how excuse people who excuse the violence of ANTIFAS wake up and realize that they are just the Left's stormtroopers and to encourage them will result in greater levels of violence?
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You had me right along with you, prepared to sound off about political violence, and then you said "the left's stormtroopers". At that point you became just another hyper-partisan hack.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think the Antifa-apologists will dare comment in this thread.
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone apologize for ANTIFA here.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Actually, it's the fact that they CONSISTENTLY engage in violent actions which is CONSISTENTLY excused on the grounds of their noble, morally-correct right to "punch a Nazi." Of course anyone who does not agree with them is a Nazi. :coffeepap:
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Or an apologist for the biggest Nazi of all, the #RacistInChief.

I kid you not. On Twitter this morning, this is the "peaceful bunch's" newest hashtag. :lamo
 
Grand Mal said:
You had me right along with you, prepared to sound off about political violence, and then you said "the left's stormtroopers". At that point you became just another hyper-partsan hack.
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If stating the truth is "hyper-partisan hackery," then you must have a broad view of what "hackery" consists of.

IMHO any organized group, be they Right or Left that goes out deliberately seeking violent confrontation would meet the definition of "stormtroopers."
 
Captain Adverse said:
Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center | Fox News

This man was later identified as Willem Van Spronsen, 69, of Vashon Island.

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&udd...g-incendiary-devices-at-ice-detention-center/

It also appears that Mr. Van Spronsen was a member of ANTFIAS.

Armed man attacking Tacoma’s ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting – The Seattle Times

and...

We Are The Fire That Will Melt ICE – Rest in power, Will Van Spronsen [Olympia WA] – PUGET SOUND ANARCHISTS

COMMENTARY: So another example of anti-fascist violence. At what point will those how excuse people who excuse the violence of ANTIFAS wake up and realize that they are just the Left's stormtroopers and to encourage them will result in greater levels of violence?
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The scoreboard so far:

Deaths caused by Antifa: 0
Deaths of refugees in concentration camps during Trump Administration: 24
Deaths caused by extremist rightist groups in 2018 alone: 50

Scary, scary antifa.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Actually, it's the fact that they CONSISTENTLY engage in violent actions which is CONSISTENTLY excused on the grounds of their noble, morally-correct right to "punch a Nazi." Of course anyone who does not agree with them is a Nazi. :coffeepap:
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And yet you people single them out for their occasional violence. :) I wonder why that is? ;)
 
Captain Adverse said:
If stating the truth is "hyper-partisan hackery," then you must have a broad view of what "hackery" consists of.

IMHO any organized group, be they Right or Left that goes out deliberately seeking violent confrontation would meet the definition of "stormtroopers."
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All of you hacks just love to pretend that the left somehow has to own what the lunatic fringe does and says. That kind of childishly simplistic agitprop is meat and potatoes to right-wing no-minds who can't separate reality from the narrative they prop each other up with. You'll no doubt feel affirmed by the responses you get from the idiot collective but the simple fact remains- I and nearly everyone else on the left don't give two ****s about your accusations. ANTIFA no more represents the left than the KKK does the right.
And you're just a rabble-rouser.
 
Grand Mal said:
You had me right along with you, prepared to sound off about political violence, and then you said "the left's stormtroopers". At that point you became just another hyper-partisan hack.
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Said by you who recently wrote that conservatives want to take us back to life in the fifties.

Just keeping it real, and you're welcome. ;)
 
Captain Adverse said:
If stating the truth is "hyper-partisan hackery," then you must have a broad view of what "hackery" consists of.

IMHO any organized group, be they Right or Left that goes out deliberately seeking violent confrontation would meet the definition of "stormtroopers."
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You did not state any truth. They are not an organized group working as stormtroopers for the left. They are a movement of loosely organized autonomous groups. In this case, it was just one person, not a group. One person is not stormtroopers.
 
trixare4kids said:
Said by you who recently wrote that conservatives want to take us back to life in the fifties.

Just keeping it real, and you're welcome. ;)
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Go ahead, refute what I wrote in that post.
 
Grand Mal said:
All of you hacks just love to pretend that the left somehow has to own what the lunatic fringe does and says. That kind of childishly simplistic agitprop is meat and potatoes to right-wing no-minds who can't separate reality from the narrative they prop each other up with. You'll no doubt feel affirmed by the responses you get from the idiot collective but the simple fact remains- I and nearly everyone else on the left don't give two ****s about your accusations. ANTIFA no more represents the left than the KKK does the right.
And you're just a rabble-rouser.
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This is what I love about the political mindset known as "liberalism"... rules for thee but not for me.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think the Antifa-apologists will dare comment in this thread.
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I've never heard anyone apologize for anything dangerous Antifa is responsible for. Hate and violence has been condemned many times in this forum no matter which side it comes from.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center | Fox News

This man was later identified as Willem Van Spronsen, 69, of Vashon Island.

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&udd...g-incendiary-devices-at-ice-detention-center/

It also appears that Mr. Van Spronsen was a member of ANTFIAS.

Armed man attacking Tacoma’s ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting – The Seattle Times

and...

We Are The Fire That Will Melt ICE – Rest in power, Will Van Spronsen [Olympia WA] – PUGET SOUND ANARCHISTS

COMMENTARY: So another example of anti-fascist violence. At what point will those how excuse people who excuse the violence of ANTIFAS wake up and realize that they are just the Left's stormtroopers and to encourage them will result in greater levels of violence?
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No offense, but who is excusing ANTIFA violence? I have been involved in lefty causes since the 60s, and in my experience there have always been morons like these around the fringes of demonstrations, from the anti-war movement to civil rights to the farmworkers to enviornmental groups. Nobody I knew in the various movements supported or excused their tactics or strategies. People on the left rolled their eyes and kept their distance, with "thanks but no thanks" communicated. Most cops knew the difference as well, as did reporters, though the latter could be affected by the "if it bleeds it leads" syndrome and pay disproportionate attention to them.
 
Cardinal said:
The scoreboard so far:

Deaths caused by Antifa: 0
Deaths of refugees in concentration camps during Trump Administration: 24
Deaths caused by extremist rightist groups in 2018 alone: 50

Scary, scary antifa.
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Hmm...

I don't know where you got your "extremist right" deaths figures, so I can't comment (such figures, like "school shooting" reports are often inflated IMHO).

However, as to immigrant deaths:

Immigrant deaths under Trump on par with Obama numbers: DHS...In 2009, when former President Barack Obama took office, 10 people in ICE custody died. Five died in 2012, and 12 died in his last year in office, 2016...The numbers have been similar under Trump. In 2017, 10 detainees died, and 12 died in 2018, according to data from the American Immigration Lawyers Association.
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Immigrant deaths under Trump on par with Obama numbers: DHS

Yeah, scary Antifa. :coffeepap:
 
Extremism experts are starting to worry about the left – VICE News

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Experts in homegrown extremism say it’s not so simple — Hodgkinson had no known association to any left-wing extremist group. But they also say that the past few months have seen enough of a rise in politically motivated violence from the far left that monitors of right-wing extremism have begun shifting their focus, and sounding the alarm. They see indications that the uptick in extremist rhetoric and anti-government activism that characterized the early years of the Obama presidency are beginning to manifest on the far left in the early days of Trump’s, and that the two sides are increasingly headed for confrontation.

“I think we’re in a time when we can’t ignore the extremism from the Left,” said Oren Segal, the director of the Center on Extremism, an arm of the Anti-Defamation League. Over the past few months, the ADL, which hosts regular seminars on homegrown extremism for law enforcement officials, has begun warning of the rising threat posed by far-left groups, most recently at a seminar just this past Sunday. “When we have anti-fascist counterprotests — not that they are the same as white supremacists — that can ratchet up the violence at these events, and it means we can see people who are violent on their own be attracted to that,” Segal said. “I hate to say it, but it feels inevitable.”
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Phys251 said:
And yet you people single them out for their occasional violence. :) I wonder why that is? ;)
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Simple answer; it's for the same reason "you people" single out "other individuals" for their "occasional" violence. I wonder why THAT is? :unsure13:

ANTIFA is always alluded to as a group...IMO because of their masks. Hard to identify a single individual for violence when they can escape via anonymity.

The "Bike Lock Professor" was alleged to have assaulted and battered several people, but IMO because he wore a mask and could not definitely be identified in several of the assaults they gave him a plea deal.
The videos show several people struck Andy Ngo with sticks, fists, and other objects...NOT including the "milkshakes." Almost all the attackers were masked.

They work in group "mobs." The "rightees" are typically lone individuals, and as I've argued before, such lone individuals act out with extreme violence to make it seem like their views pose the greater threat. To make them seem "significant" in their lunacy when they really represent an extremely small fragment of society as a whole.

Yet which is really greater? Hundreds of masked thugs beating people and destroying property with impunity, or the "lone" suicidal gunman?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Hmm...

I don't know where you got your "extremist right" deaths figures, so I can't comment (such figures, like "school shooting" reports are often inflated IMHO).
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...cists-attack-journalist-2.html#post1070271584

However, as to immigrant deaths:

Immigrant deaths under Trump on par with Obama numbers: DHS
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The immigration policy under Obama wasn't deliberate cruelty. Under Trump it is.

Yeah, scary Antifa. :coffeepap:
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Do you believe your post made made up for the fact that literally nobody has been killed by antifa? Because it sort of didn't do that at all.
 
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