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Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center.

PeteEU said:
You mean like conservatives calling anyone they disagree with a socialist liberal muslim gay and whatever else slur out there?
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Nope. I'm talking about Antifa and Vox.

But your deflection is noted and dismissed because I understand how you cannot defend your hypocrisy.
 
Dragonlady said:
I haven't seen a single article or post from a liberal saying that they support violence in any form. Anti-Fa didn't even exist before the rise of the White Supremacists encouraged by Trump, and they are a direct reaction to the KKK, and the White Supremacists marching in the streets chanting "The Jews will not replace us". What we have said is that we're not surprised that the level of violence is rising because the violence on the right has escalated to 50 murders in the past year, which the right refuses to even acknowledged is being inspired by the racist rhetoric coming from the White House.

Hate crimes are up over 500% since his election, and conservatives won't even admit the President is a racist, while some white supremacists are saying Trump is going "too far" for their even tastes.
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Your ignorance is astounding.

You haven't been here very long so you have somewhat of an excuse for not knowing about how many forum members totally support the actions of Antifa...especially their violence. But your awareness of the history of Antifa is sadly lacking and the responsibility for that lies directly with you.

Moving on...
 
Yet another thread of trump supporters trying to turn a loosely connected group of individuals with no organization or hierarchy as the boogeymen that makes even the KKK look like tame kittens.

The violence, oh the violence, when will it end from these mad Antifa bastards.

I'm not apologizing for antifa, that would imply I'm sorry...

**** fascists, trump supporters, trump, and the complacent conservatives. In that specific order.

But neither do I equate single actions of an enraged man as the actions of a whole non organization of people that just took a title because it means anti fascist.

While I'm not going to promote violence on the forum, you won't see me condemning violence just because it's violence.

"Oh, I never support violence, it's never the answer"

That's some virtue signaling bull****.

When kids are in cages, and children are drowning in rivers after being turned away from something they are legally entitled too, I stop caring about the morality of violence.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center | Fox News

This man was later identified as Willem Van Spronsen, 69, of Vashon Island.

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&udd...g-incendiary-devices-at-ice-detention-center/

It also appears that Mr. Van Spronsen was a member of ANTFIAS.

Armed man attacking Tacoma’s ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting – The Seattle Times

and...

We Are The Fire That Will Melt ICE – Rest in power, Will Van Spronsen [Olympia WA] – PUGET SOUND ANARCHISTS

COMMENTARY: So another example of anti-fascist violence. At what point will those how excuse people who excuse the violence of ANTIFAS wake up and realize that they are just the Left's stormtroopers and to encourage them will result in greater levels of violence?
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It's about time one of these agitators gets some instant karma.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think the Antifa-apologists will dare comment in this thread.
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Huh? Who's apologizing for Antifa? How about linking to some?

Your POTUS publicly defends Neo Nazis and the KKK, saying some are "very nice people". Now that has tons of apologists. Either denying or defending. This forum is full of them.

Even though national community and political leaders quit prestigious and influential presidential committees in protest, even though we all watched it ourselves, Trump apologists keep defending and denying.
 
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JustHanging said:
Huh? Who's apologizing for Antifa? How about linking to some?

Your POTUS publicly defends Neo Nazis and the KKK, saying some are "very nice people". Now that has tons of apologists. Either denying or defending. This forum is full of them.

Even though national community and political leaders quit prestigious and influential presidential committees in protest, even though we all watched it ourselves, Trump apologists keep defending and denying.
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The bolded never happened
 
JustHanging said:
Huh? Who's apologizing for Antifa? How about linking to some?

Your POTUS publicly defends Neo Nazis and the KKK, saying some are "very nice people". Now that has tons of apologists. Either denying or defending. This forum is full of them.

Even though national community and political leaders quit prestigious and influential presidential committees in protest, even though we all watched it ourselves, Trump apologists keep defending and denying.
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Are some ANTIFA's very nice people?
 
sKiTzo said:
It's about time one of these agitators gets some instant karma.
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What about Heather Heyer and the 16 protestors run down in Charlottesville? I guess you've forgotten about her, and all of the other people your nazi's injured in Charlottesville.

What about 50 people murdered by the right wing terrorists last year, many of whom tied their rampages directly to the Trump Rhetoric?

Guess they don't count at all.
 
Barnacle said:
In other words, the rabid left is allowed to distinguish between good and bad protesters on their side while at the same time classifying every protester on the right as neo-Nazi fascist racist.

(grin)
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We're not allowed to do any such thing. Republicans are actually spending good money to make sure that radicals are the face of the Democratic Party, plus spending even more during the runup to the midterms to pound pure racial fear.

You're trying to use another Alinsky tactic and it's not working.
I suggest you try "doubling down" and then "tripling down".
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
We're not allowed to do any such thing. Republicans are actually spending good money to make sure that radicals are the face of the Democratic Party, plus spending even more during the runup to the midterms to pound pure racial fear.
You're trying to use another Alinsky tactic and it's not working.
I suggest you try "doubling down" and then "tripling down".
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Put me back on iggy, man. Much better for your frail nerves ... (grin)
 
Captain Adverse said:
Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center | Fox News

This man was later identified as Willem Van Spronsen, 69, of Vashon Island.

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&udd...g-incendiary-devices-at-ice-detention-center/

It also appears that Mr. Van Spronsen was a member of ANTFIAS.

Armed man attacking Tacoma’s ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting – The Seattle Times

and...

We Are The Fire That Will Melt ICE – Rest in power, Will Van Spronsen [Olympia WA] – PUGET SOUND ANARCHISTS

COMMENTARY: So another example of anti-fascist violence. At what point will those how excuse people who excuse the violence of ANTIFAS wake up and realize that they are just the Left's stormtroopers and to encourage them will result in greater levels of violence?
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Good. Death by suicide.

What does it have to do with Antifa and the "left"? The "left" paid some 70 year old man to do their storm trooping for them? Link, please.
 
Nap said:
The bolded never happened
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Really, you missed it? Dang, you need to check sources outside of FOX and Alex Jones. It was all over the news for weeks.

National business and community leaders quit prestigious and influential presidential committees.


President's arts advisers resign over Trump's Charlottesville response

Merck CEO Quits Advisory Council Over Trump'''s Charlottesville Remarks

Three CEOs resign from Trump council over Charlottesville - Reuters

Trump's business advisories disolve as CEO's depart over Trump's comments



Or is it all a conspiracy by the Lizard People? :lamo
 
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JustHanging said:
Really, you missed it? Dang, you need to check sources outside of FOX and Alex Jones. It was all over the news for weeks.

National business and community leaders quit prestigious and influential presidential committees.


President's arts advisers resign over Trump's Charlottesville response

Merck CEO Quits Advisory Council Over Trump'''s Charlottesville Remarks

Three CEOs resign from Trump council over Charlottesville - Reuters

Trump's business advisories disolve as CEO's depart over Trump's comments



Or is it all a conspiracy by the Lizard People? :lamo
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Well, I dont know if Lizard people are responsible but I dont see anything to support the assertion that "POTUS publicly defends Neo Nazis and the KKK". He defended the people at the protest who peaceably protested in support of keeping the confederate statues and clearly excluded from his defense Neo Nazis and the KKK . STATED DIRECTLY "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists" and yet it was reported 10 gazillion times on mainstream media that Trump defends Neo Nazis and white nationalists and the easily swayed among us actually start to believe it. MINDLESS SHEEP every one of you.
 
JustHanging said:
Really, you missed it? Dang, you need to check sources outside of FOX and Alex Jones. It was all over the news for weeks.

National business and community leaders quit prestigious and influential presidential committees.


President's arts advisers resign over Trump's Charlottesville response

Merck CEO Quits Advisory Council Over Trump'''s Charlottesville Remarks

Three CEOs resign from Trump council over Charlottesville - Reuters

Trump's business advisories disolve as CEO's depart over Trump's comments



Or is it all a conspiracy by the Lizard People? :lamo
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More of a conspiracy by Leftist propaganda taking an excerpt from his speech out of context in order to portray him as a Nazi. If you listen to the entire speech or view the transcript he clearly condemned the Nazis just before his fine people comment. You may want to leave your bubble every now and then and verify things for yourself rather than blindly follow partisan narratives.
 
Nap said:
More of a conspiracy by Leftist propaganda taking an excerpt from his speech out of context in order to portray him as a Nazi. If you listen to the entire speech or view the transcript he clearly condemned the Nazis just before his fine people comment. You may want to leave your bubble every now and then and verify things for yourself rather than blindly follow partisan narratives.
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"As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America. And then it went on from there. Now, here’s the thing --"

“And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists.”

In Context: Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks (transcript) | PolitiFact
 
Captain Adverse said:
Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center | Fox News

This man was later identified as Willem Van Spronsen, 69, of Vashon Island.

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&udd...g-incendiary-devices-at-ice-detention-center/

It also appears that Mr. Van Spronsen was a member of ANTFIAS.

Armed man attacking Tacoma’s ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting – The Seattle Times

and...

We Are The Fire That Will Melt ICE – Rest in power, Will Van Spronsen [Olympia WA] – PUGET SOUND ANARCHISTS

COMMENTARY: So another example of anti-fascist violence. At what point will those how excuse people who excuse the violence of ANTIFAS wake up and realize that they are just the Left's stormtroopers and to encourage them will result in greater levels of violence?
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All militant groups should be required to register their members/supporters with government. Perhaps they should also be taxed as well to cover the costs of any destruction resulting from their activities.
 
Phys251 said:
1. Just to get this out of the way, I condemn what this guy did. He played with fire and got burned.

2. Antifa is like catnip to you people. Is it really their occasional violence that triggers you? I don't think it is. I think it's something else, something that's sitting right there in their name. :)
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So violence doesn't trigger you, because basically you're okay with it.

Sent from Hillary's private email server.
 
Grand Mal said:
You had me right along with you, prepared to sound off about political violence, and then you said "the left's stormtroopers". At that point you became just another hyper-partisan hack.
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Really? Go listen to interviews with your leftwing representatives. They refuse to condemn Antifa's violence.

Sent from Hillary's private email server.
 
Grand Mal said:
I don't think I've ever seen anyone apologize for ANTIFA here.
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Ok then condemn Antifa here and now.

Sent from Hillary's private email server.
 
American said:
So violence doesn't trigger you, because basically you're okay with it.

Sent from Hillary's private email server.
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I refer you to the entirety of my previous answer, which you should actually read this time. ;)
 
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