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Armed man shot, killed after throwing incendiary devices at Washington ICE detention center.

Grand Mal said:
Go ahead, refute what I wrote in that post.
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Refuting it is not the point...but
Thank you for making my point when I said there is a double standard in that there are always different rules for the left than the right.

You can make a sweeping generalization about the Ozzie and Harriet conservatives while labeling us hacks, but nobody had better say anything about the precious left.
 
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Cardinal said:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...cists-attack-journalist-2.html#post1070271584



The immigration policy under Obama wasn't deliberate cruelty. Under Trump it is.



Do you believe your post made made up for the fact that literally nobody has been killed by antifa? Because it sort of didn't do that at all.
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Give me a ****ing break! Obama invented the lockup cage system in 2015.
Go ahead and try to blame Trump for locking people up in cages 2019. What was he supposed to have done when congress holds the purse?

The damn Democrats caused the deplorable living conditions at the border, truth be told and they sat back and didn't give Trump a dollar to make conditions more livable until they decided they could no longer resist that people were dying from the overcrowding at the border camps. Don't make me embarrass you by bringing all the manufactured crisis quotes from your team to this thread. Not only did the leftist congress chant, "Manufactured border crisis" but so did leftists from this forum. And they did so for political reasons... They don't give a **** about the plight of migrants pouring into our country. All they care about is exploiting them to go after Trump.
 
trixare4kids said:
Give me a ****ing break! Obama invented the lockup cage system in 2015.
Go ahead and try to blame Trump for locking people up in cages 2019. What was he supposed to have done when congress holds the purse?

The damn Democrats caused the deplorable living conditions at the border, truth be told and they sat back and didn't give Trump a dollar to make conditions more livable until they decided they could no longer resist that people were dying from the overcrowding at the border camps. Don't make me embarrass you by bringing all the manufactured crisis quotes from your team to this thread. Not only did the leftist congress chant, "Manufactured border crisis" but so did leftists from this forum. And they did so for political reasons... They don't give a **** about the plight of migrants pouring into our country. All they care about is exploiting them to go after Trump.
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Again, Obama's immigration policy wasn't deliberate cruelty in order to create a deterrent to future refugees. Under Trump it is.

What you're attempting to do is create an equivalence between somebody who hit a person with his car because somebody suddenly ran out into traffic, and somebody who hits people with his car for fun. Your equivalence conveniently serves the person who runs over people for fun.
 
Cardinal said:
If you have a group prone to physically encountering people in protests as antifa is, it's reasonable to assume they're gonna kill somebody eventually.

But, several years later, they haven't killed anyone (knock on wood). Meanwhile, extremist rightist groups remain responsible for the largest number of domestic terrorist incidents that result in death.
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Again, give me a big fat break.
Instead of acknowledging the truth in the O/P, you carry on like leftist extremism is a rarity compared to the right's extremism. That is no longer the truth circa the last ten years.... Let me remind you that your weak argument is not only a whataboutism that you say you never engage, (haha), but a fallacy.

Dammit, extremism is extremism! And it takes on many forms as we have seen since the days of the Obama administration.
Extremism coming from the LEFT is on the rise, and no amount of whataboutism changes the truth.
Time for you to get real, and stop making apologies.
 
trixare4kids said:
Refuting it is not the point...but
Thank you for making my point when I said there is a double standard in that there are always different rules for the left than the right.

You can make a sweeping generalization about the Ozzie and Harriet conservatives while labeling us hacks, but nobody had better say anything about the precious left.
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You might have to refresh my memory but this how I recall that exchange. Someone said Trump was trying to bring back America of the Eisenhower era and I said conservatives want to return to how society was when their fathers were boys. That how you remember it? Any mention of Ozzie and Harriet there?
I don't call conservatives hacks I call hacks, hacks.
 
Cardinal said:
Again, Obama's immigration policy wasn't deliberate cruelty in order to create a deterrent to future refugees. Under Trump it is.

What you're attempting to do is create an equivalence between somebody who hit a person with his car because somebody suddenly ran out into traffic, and somebody who hits people with his car for fun. Your equivalence conveniently serves the person who runs over people for fun.
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You're projecting, cardinal.
 
trixare4kids said:
This is what I love about the political mindset known as "liberalism"... rules for thee but not for me.
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This is why I call so many conservatives "the right whinge".
 
Grand Mal said:
All of you hacks just love to pretend that the left somehow has to own what the lunatic fringe does and says. That kind of childishly simplistic agitprop is meat and potatoes to right-wing no-minds who can't separate reality from the narrative they prop each other up with. You'll no doubt feel affirmed by the responses you get from the idiot collective but the simple fact remains- I and nearly everyone else on the left don't give two ****s about your accusations. ANTIFA no more represents the left than the KKK does the right.
And you're just a rabble-rouser.
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...And yet you seem to think "the right" has to "somehow own what the lunatic fringe does and says?" Does that seem a reasonable argument to you when reversed?

ANTIFA are a violent action group. They intentionally seek confrontation through the use of force. Whenever they appear, they act out, and most of the Left and their left-leaning media seems to cheer them on.
 
trixare4kids said:
Again, give me a big fat break.
Instead of acknowledging the truth in the O/P, you carry on like leftist extremism is a rarity compared to the right's extremism. That is no longer the truth circa the last ten years.... Let me remind you that your weak argument is not only a whataboutism that you say you never engage, (haha), but a fallacy.

Dammit, extremism is extremism! And it takes on many forms as we have seen since the days of the Obama administration.
Extremism coming from the LEFT is on the rise, and no amount of whataboutism changes the truth.
Time for you to get real, and stop making apologies.
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The two extremisms aren't equal because one extremist group doesn't kill people and the other extremist groups are responsible for the largest number of domestic terrorist incidents that result in death.

Creating an equivalence between the two is just goofy.
 
trixare4kids said:
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You're projecting, cardinal.
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If you want to make the case that what happened under Obama is equal to what's happening under Trump, then you must demonstrate that any human suffering that happened under Obama was on purpose. I can demonstrate that Trump is causing human suffering on purpose. Can you do the same in the case of Obama?
 
Grand Mal said:
You might have to refresh my memory but this how I recall that exchange. Someone said Trump was trying to bring back America of the Eisenhower era and I said conservatives want to return to how society was when their fathers were boys. That how you remember it? Any mention of Ozzie and Harriet there?
I don't call conservatives hacks I call hacks, hacks.
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This is how I recall it. You did exactly what you condemn the O/P for; use the broad brush and then proceeded to label him as a "hyper partisan hack." I won't be discussing this further with you. My point reiterated below. bolded.

Grand Mal said:
And that, in a nutshell, is conservatism. The best time to be alive was when our fathers were boys.
Unless you're black, or gay, or a woman. Or a Catholic, or hispanic. The Eisenhower era wasn't a time those people, 'way over half of the population, would want to bring back but for white males it was about as good as it could be. Life just couldn't be better.

Conservative- "I liked it the way it was before!"
Liberal- "We can make it better!"
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Cardinal said:
If you want to make the case that what happened under Obama is equal to what's happening under Trump, then you must demonstrate that any human suffering that happened under Obama was on purpose. I can demonstrate that Trump is causing human suffering on purpose. Can you do the same in the case of Obama?
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You can keep rambling too.
I'm done reading your strawman arguments.
 
HumblePi said:
I've never heard anyone apologize for anything dangerous Antifa is responsible for. Hate and violence has been condemned many times in this forum no matter which side it comes from.
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Another one...willfully blind.

Dismissed.
 
trixare4kids said:
You can keep rambling too.
I'm done reading your strawman arguments.
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I can only assume from your response that you are unable to demonstrate, as I can with Trump, that any human suffering that happened under Obama was the result of calculated cruelty on his part.

Your attempt at creating a false equivalence has failed.
 
Cardinal said:
I can only assume from your response that you are unable to demonstrate, as I can with Trump, that any human suffering that happened under Obama was the result of calculated cruelty on his part.

Your attempt at creating a false equivalence has failed.
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:coffeepap:
 
Captain Adverse said:
...And yet you seem to think "the right" has to "somehow own what the lunatic fringe does and says?" Does that seem a reasonable argument to you when reversed?

ANTIFA are a violent action group. They intentionally seek confrontation through the use of force. Whenever they appear, they act out, and most of the Left and their left-leaning media seems to cheer them on.
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Bullcrap. You can say I 'seem' anything you like, whether theres any basis in truth, and I can't refute wht the word 'seems' tells you. I have never said, hinted, implied, nothing about the right wing having to own the lunatic fringe. If your perception is that clouded you need to clean your glasses.
And most of the left cheering ANTIFA on is so far wrong it could be called a deliberate lie.
 
trixare4kids said:
This is how I recall it. You did exactly what you condemn the O/P for; use the broad brush and then proceeded to label him as a "hyper partisan hack." I won't be discussing this further with you. My point reiterated below. bolded.
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Another stinking load. You guys are so desperately playing defense at this point you can't make a coherent point.
 
Mycroft said:
Willfully blind, I see.

Dismissed.
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No you don't see. If you did you'd have an example of me or anyone else apologizing for ANTIA. Like all the other right-wing hacks here you're back-to-the-wall on the defensive and failing.
 
trixare4kids said:
Don't hold your breath waiting for intelligent comments of condemnation coming from the anti-Trump brigade.
They're too busy trying to find racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia hidden in the words of this morning Trump's tweet.
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Actually it appears you were looking for those things in those Trump tweets.....kinda like the dog which farted.
 
Phys251 said:
1. Just to get this out of the way, I condemn what this guy did. He played with fire and got burned.

2. Antifa is like catnip to you people. Is it really their occasional violence that triggers you? I don't think it is. I think it's something else, something that's sitting right there in their name. :)
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THis group is not really 'leftists'.. at least the subgroup that has the anarchist association. The 'little to no government is definitely a rightest concept.
 
AOC and other liberal activists have blood on their hands for calling ICE detention centers 'concentration camps' getting nickel head liberals like this one riled up enough to get themselves killed and almost killing law enforcement officers in their rage fueled attack..
 
Grand Mal said:
Bullcrap. You can say I 'seem' anything you like, whether theres any basis in truth, and I can't refute wht the word 'seems' tells you. I have never said, hinted, implied, nothing about the right wing having to own the lunatic fringe. If your perception is that clouded you need to clean your glasses.
And most of the left cheering ANTIFA on is so far wrong it could be called a deliberate lie.
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But you have all but called today's right the lunatic fringe, so what's the difference?... (rhetorical question)
 
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