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New leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal 'to spite Obama'

Problem for Trump is there's a thing called karma. I don't understand why he and his nimrod supporters don't seem to think a future Democratic president and congress won't undo everything he did, and try their best to "wipe out" his **** stain of a presidency from existence. Either he doesn't care, or he thinks he's untouchable.

They're playing the long game, the built in excuse is really ready-made. They will pivot from no big deal that President Trump is dismantling everything from the previous POTUS, to OMG! do you see what those ultra communist fascist liberal socialist scumbags are doing, they are over-turning everything Trump did. They are completely un-American. And so on, and so forth as if all of Trump's actions were not what they were.
Rinse, repeat.
 
Oh please. You seriously think nobody in the Trump administration gave the time of day to the top diplomat of their main ally?

of course he does. Otherwise the agenda he is pushing falls apart.
 
New leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal 'to spite Obama' - BBC News

Donald Trump abandoned the Iran nuclear deal to spite Barack Obama, according to a leaked memo written by the UK's former ambassador to the US.

Sir Kim Darroch described the move as an act of "diplomatic vandalism", according to the Mail on Sunday.
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Nothing this character does surprises me anymore. He has this thing for Obama that may date from that correspondents' dinner where Obama mocked his TV antics.


so Trump endangers national security becacause of an ego trip.

Brilliant. Some leader Trump is.
 
Fake news. The Iran nuclear deal was weighed heavily in Iran's favor. The US didn't get anything. Iran was in the process of obtaining nuclear weapons. Israel had conducted an investigation on this, with pictures of the inside, and was confirmed through Iran's own documents, along with visual evidence, that they were trying to get a nuclear bomb to be produced, tested, then mass production would begin. That ransom money Obama gave to Iran, when our sailors were captured, went towards their nuclear program (we're talking billions that he gave freely). Trump had to scrap the deal and slap sanctions on them so in case if Iran was still conducting their research, they would lose money fast. So this claim that Trump did it in spite of Obama is a fake story from an organization (BBC) that's proven to be unreliable and anti-Trump. Mr Moderator, move this thread to the Conspiracy Theories section because there is no truth to this claim. Thank You!
 
Obamas deal sucked and the Iranians weren’t following it anyway, just like they won’t follow Trumps, would you if you were running a Country? Don’t think so!
 
They're playing the long game, the built in excuse is really ready-made. They will pivot from no big deal that President Trump is dismantling everything from the previous POTUS, to OMG! do you see what those ultra communist fascist liberal socialist scumbags are doing, they are over-turning everything Trump did. They are completely un-American. And so on, and so forth as if all of Trump's actions were not what they were.
Rinse, repeat.

Yep, you are correct on all counts here. Also, Trump will be fanning the flames big time, especially if loses in 2020. Not only will he claim the new Democratic president won because of voter fraud and "the deep state", but he will also do as you said, call that president a socialist, communist, etc, and will be vocally criticizing him or her every chance he gets. Trump will be the most vicious former president ever to his Democratic successor. The next Democratic president better be strong, because he or she will face a massive heap of hell from Trump and his thugs in the GOP that will make the Obama years look like a walk in the park by comparison.
 
So in order to prevent Iran from possibly restarting their nuclear program in 10 years time, when the current Iranian leadership will likely be gone, and after 10 years of (hopefully) peace and prosperity with the West, to win the hearts and minds of the Iranians, Trump is harass, threaten, and impose pain on them now to get them to change that deal. Does this even seem like a logically good idea?

This treaty was a HUGE step forward for Iran. Their first attempt at trusting the West and signing a deal.

The Ayatollah's will never negotiate with Trump, and why would they. He's proven over and over again, that he cannot be trusted to keep his word. NAFTA 2.0 hasn't even been ratified by Congress, but already Trump was prepared to overide the deal HE negotiated, and slap tariffs on Mexico over border issues. He even bragged that he told he envoy to sign the agreement to pay the North Koreans $2 million to get Otto Warmbier back, even though he had no intention of paying the money. The issue isn't the payment, the issue is the promise he had no intention of keeping. In law, it's called "negotiating in bad faith".

Trump has been a "bad faith" negotiator throughout his life. It's why American banks won't lend to him. It's why he's had over 3000 law suits in his life - a record for any American businessman. He will say or do anything to get what he wants and then back away later.

Iran was stalling for time.
 
And so now instead of Iran building strong economic ties to allow them to be a productive, peaceful member of the international community, Trump has pushed them into desperation and us onto the brink of war. Instead of building ten years of the kinds of ties they wouldn't want to lose just for nukes, they are now at "we have nothing left to lose because a treaty-breaking madman is trying to starve our people".

But you keep pretending Trump's plan is better than Obama's. The world knows it's not. Trump knows it's not -- which is why he was so threatened by it. He has a tiger by the tail and doesn't have any idea of what to do with it, other than keep pounding his chest.

Iran is stalling for time. The theory that we bring them into the western economic orbit will result in the adoption of liberal western ideas is an absurdity.
Moreover, It's a theory that has failed with China, with deleterious results for the world.
 
I mean, I think this is pretty well known. And his bumbling of international politics has driven us to a place where Iran is breaking agreements and concentrating more nuclear material. So we'll just see where this ends up.

It leads to nowhere good for Iran.
 
Obamas deal sucked and the Iranians weren’t following it anyway, just like they won’t follow Trumps, would you if you were running a Country? Don’t think so!

Problem for Trump is there's a thing called karma. I don't understand why he and his nimrod supporters don't seem to think a future Democratic president and congress won't undo everything he did, and try their best to "wipe out" his **** stain of a presidency from existence. Either he doesn't care, or he thinks he's untouchable.

Why would Trump supporters NOT think a future Democratic president would work to reverse what Trump did?
 
Obamas deal sucked and the Iranians weren’t following it anyway, just like they won’t follow Trumps, would you if you were running a Country? Don’t think so!

Yep, you are correct on all counts here. Also, Trump will be fanning the flames big time, especially if loses in 2020. Not only will he claim the new Democratic president won because of voter fraud and "the deep state", but he will also do as you said, call that president a socialist, communist, etc, and will be vocally criticizing him or her every chance he gets. Trump will be the most vicious former president ever to his Democratic successor. The next Democratic president better be strong, because he or she will face a massive heap of hell from Trump and his thugs in the GOP that will make the Obama years look like a walk in the park by comparison.

As opposed to the hell Democrats have heaped on Trump?
 
Iran is stalling for time. The theory that we bring them into the western economic orbit will result in the adoption of liberal western ideas is an absurdity.
Moreover, It's a theory that has failed with China, with deleterious results for the world.

Even though tighter economic relations did not make China a liberal democracy, it did make it less of a threat compared to the isolated communist China. Also, it is just impossible to make the statement that bringing someone closer to the western economic orbit will not result in the adoption of liberal ideas. Such tactic may set the foundation to adopt liberal western ideas at some point. It is just that the process may be too slow and requires decades. We do not know, but as I said, we should not focus just on bringing liberal western idea in other parts of the world and certainly we should try to force such ideas with wars. Right now, we should actually try to RETAIN liberal western ideas in our countries and defend them from the populism of racist and fascist ideas!
 
It leads to nowhere good for Iran.
damn straight, and it can’t be fixed by a Dem or Rep, we weren’t put here to get along with each other...know thine enemy, they don’t like us, it’s innate.
 
New leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal 'to spite Obama' - BBC News

Donald Trump abandoned the Iran nuclear deal to spite Barack Obama, according to a leaked memo written by the UK's former ambassador to the US.

Sir Kim Darroch described the move as an act of "diplomatic vandalism", according to the Mail on Sunday.
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Nothing this character does surprises me anymore. He has this thing for Obama that may date from that correspondents' dinner where Obama mocked his TV antics.

A guy was publishing a book with the proof that Obama was born in Kenya. Trump jumped on his bandwagon.

Then Obama released his long form the day before the book was to be released. Best troll ever.

I think that trump took it personally.
 
Sometimes I think the worst thing the Beatles did was right “Imagine” world peace will never happen...ever! So suck it up cupcakes and live a good life and stop spending my money on a pipe dream.
 
New leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal 'to spite Obama' - BBC News

Donald Trump abandoned the Iran nuclear deal to spite Barack Obama, according to a leaked memo written by the UK's former ambassador to the US.

Sir Kim Darroch described the move as an act of "diplomatic vandalism", according to the Mail on Sunday.
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Nothing this character does surprises me anymore. He has this thing for Obama that may date from that correspondents' dinner where Obama mocked his TV antics.

It goes further than that, Trump is a Vile Meglomaniac whites nationalist imbecile.... He can't digest the fact a black man came and uplifted an economy that white men had run in the ground and damaged the lives of 100's of millions of people.. damaged international relations and set up in a made war that raged over a decade ... left veterans with nothing and ignored the facilities that are meant to serve veterans. He brought to Americans a Health Care Program, and he was honest enough to tell Americans, that it was not perfect, but it was a first step in a long process to improve it until every American has Affordable Care.
Obama kicked the Insurance Companies in the teeth, when he included a mandate that did not allow the insurance companies to continue denying people what they paid for, and then he put a collar on the run away greed of the banking industry and made them meet a stress test and maintain higher reserves.

Trump hated all of it, because it shut the door on his domestic money washing machine, and put the foreign banks on notice!!! Trump detested seeing a black man do what white men could not and had not done... and when many stood up and said, they could not have done what Obama did in saving the country from the down slide that Bush left... Trump was ticked off, because he spent all his time trying to denigrate Obama, and Obama ignored his stupidity and kept right on doing the work for the people, the nations and building and strengthen diplomacy.

He hated the fact that Obama did not come in with a pro white or pro black agenda, he came with an "American People" Agenda... which goes against everything the system of white nationalism of wealthy white male dominance.
Obama gave women opportunity and brought diversity in and throughout our government.

The ignorant white people chanting "I want my country back" ... were too dumb to see what the white men they worship had done to the country and what it had robbed them of... but they could not digest seeing a black man... uphold the values of The Preamble, FOR ALL PEOPLE... They wanted it to be only about themselves. Heck, these bigoted racist have detested the values of the Preamble being for all people, and have fought it since the Civil Rights Act... because they wanted Tax money spent ONLY on things that benefit white society.

People are no fools, they know what this white madness is, and the women who rushed to the bigot, went chasing the illusion of hoping to cling to the old system of "finding a wealthy man to take care of them"... whereas the women in general with self respecting liberal minds, did not fall for that madness...

Trump is a fool... his entire family is foolish and he parades that no blood flow mannequin around insulting the nations as if she thinks she is some princess of America. Unaware that the nation does not swoon over her as does her own daddy does.
The same Republican Tea Party and Confederates are the same ones that made their pledge to oppose Obama... they care nothing about America, they care about trying to preserve the wealthy white man dominance of white nationalist agenda.

Trump's game is all about arouse contempt with acts of stupidity in aim to distract, because he does not know what the hell the Office of the Presidency is All about, and he thinks denigrating everything makes him more, but only a fool tries to knock down everything to try and lift himself up. .
 
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It goes further than that, Trump is a Vile Meglomaniac whites nationalist imbecile.... He can't digest the fact a black man came and uplifted an economy that white men had run in the ground and damaged the lives of 100's of millions of people.. damaged international relations and set up in a made war that raged over a decade ... left veterans with nothing and ignored the facilities that are meant to serve veterans. He brought to Americans a Health Care Program, and he was honest enough to tell Americans, that it was not perfect, but it was a first step in a long process to improve it until every American has Affordable Care.
Obama kicked the Insurance Companies in the teeth, when he included a mandate that did not allow the insurance companies to continue denying people what they paid for, and then he put a collar on the run away greed of the banking industry and made them meet a stress test and maintain higher reserves.

Trump hated all of it, because it shut the door on his domestic money washing machine, and put the foreign banks on notice!!! Trump detested seeing a black man do what white men could not and had not done... and when many stood up and said, they could not have done what Obama did in saving the country from the down slide that Bush left... Trump was ticked off, because he spent all his time trying to denigrate Obama, and Obama ignored his stupidity and kept right on doing the work for the people, the nations and building and strengthen diplomacy.

He hated the fact that Obama did not come in with a pro white or pro black agenda, he came with an "American People" Agenda... which goes against everything the system of white nationalism of weal they white male dominance.
Obama gave women opportunity and brought diversity in and throughout our government.

The ignorant white people chanting "I want my country back" ... were too dumb to see what the white men they worship had done to the country and what it had robbed them of... but they could not digest seeing a black man... uphold the values of The Preamble, FOR ALL PEOPLE... They wanted it to be only about themselves. Heck, these bigoted racist have detested the values of the Preamble being for all people, and have fought it since the Civil Rights Act... because they wanted Tax money spent ONLY on things that benefit white society.

People are no fools, they know what this white madness is, and the women who rushed to the bigot, went chasing the illusion of hoping to cling to the old system of "finding a wealthy man to take care of them"... whereas the women in general with self respecting liberal minds, did not fall for that madness...

Trump is a fool... his entire family is foolish and he parades that no blood flow mannequin around insulting the nations as if she thinks she is some princess of America. Unaware that the nation does not swoon over her as does her own daddy does.
The same Republican Tea Party and Confederates are the same ones that made their pledge to oppose Obama... they care nothing about America, they care about trying to preserve the wealthy white man dominance of white nationalist agenda.

Trump's game is all about arouse contempt with acts of stupidity in aim to distract, because he does not know what the hell the Office of the Presidency is All about, and he thinks denigrating everything makes him more, but only a fool tries to knock down everything to try and lift himself up. .

Yo chill
 
As opposed to the hell Democrats have heaped on Trump?

Trump is the author and creator of all 'his' problems-(which by default quickly become 'our's', and the 'world's) That pattern remains the same. Trump's big mouth and racist tendencies creates a problem, where there was none beforehand and then once he stumbles or grovels way out of it. He claims to have 'heroically rescued us and all of mankind from a crisis of his own making. But hell if it requires this kind of inane pantomime to assuage his huge ego and keep him from blowing the world. Then I'm fine with letting him think he's God's gift to foreign policy until such time as we can restore sanity to the Oval Office.
 
Iran was stalling for time.

Well they're not stalling now. They going to have a bomb in 6 months or less.

Ten years is a long, long stall. The world will be a much different place in ten years, and the Iranians will be a much different people by then.

EVerything that Trump has attempted to "fix" has been made worse. Every move he makes is the wrong one.

Everything Donald Trump touches, dies.
 
Well they're not stalling now. They going to have a bomb in 6 months or less.

Ten years is a long, long stall. The world will be a much different place in ten years, and the Iranians will be a much different people by then.

EVerything that Trump has attempted to "fix" has been made worse. Every move he makes is the wrong one.

Everything Donald Trump touches, dies.

The same was said about China.
 
Trump is the author and creator of all 'his' problems-(which by default quickly become 'our's', and the 'world's) That pattern remains the same. Trump's big mouth and racist tendencies creates a problem, where there was none beforehand and then once he stumbles or grovels way out of it. He claims to have 'heroically rescued us and all of mankind from a crisis of his own making. But hell if it requires this kind of inane pantomime to assuage his huge ego and keep him from blowing the world. Then I'm fine with letting him think he's God's gift to foreign policy until such time as we can restore sanity to the Oval Office.

Trump is scarcely the only person to see a problem with Iran going nuclear.
 
I mean, I think this is pretty well known. And his bumbling of international politics has driven us to a place where Iran is breaking agreements and concentrating more nuclear material. So we'll just see where this ends up.

A nuclear armed Iran will be Trump's legacy, but his supporters will never admit it.
 
A nuclear armed Iran will be Trump's legacy, but his supporters will never admit it.

Thank you for the concession that Iran will not delay in building their bomb; 45 is dealing with this reality rather than 46.
 
Trump is scarcely the only person to see a problem with Iran going nuclear.

Iran wasn't "going nuclear" until Trump tore up the treaty. f Trump had bothered to read the Agreement, he would have seen that while it expired in 10 years, the provisions required the complete dismantling of their enrichment facilities and that had it continued, Iran would have had no ability to build a nuke when the deal expires. Now they'll be in a position to have nukes in 6 months.

But more importantly, the thought of Trump negotiating ANY security agreements with foreign powers is a frightening prospect, based on his history of deals, and his negotiating skills. For years, Trump has been the laughingstock of the business world, because he couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag. His preferred negotiating strategy, as we have seen in the budget negotiations, is to try to bully people into accepting his deal. He doesn't prepare and bother to learn anything about the people he's negotiating with, he just goes on his instincts when he walks into the room. The same "gut instincts" that lead to losses of more than $1 billion in the 1980's, and 7 business bankrtupcies since his father stopped bailing him out.

Trump has had two negotiating sessions with North Korea. So far, Trump has given NK sanctions relief and a promise that they can KEEP THEIR NUKES, and in return, Trump has received a box of bones, and Otto Warmbier, and he had to promise to pay NK $2 million for Warmbier.

Initially, the Democrats offerred $25 billion dollars for the wall, in return to a path for citizenship for the DACA kids, and Trump agreed. Stephen Miller kiboshed that deal and Trump got nothing for his wall. The Republicans offered Trump $5 billion for his wall last November, and Trump refused and shut down the government. He walked out of budget negotiations with Nancy Pelosi without even listening to what she was offering, and then weeks later, re-opened the government without getting a single concession from the Democrats. When you walk out of a negotiation, you better be certain that the other side wants the deal more than you do, because if they don't come to you and you have to go back to them, you're toast. In the end, Trump was forced to accept $2.5 million for border security and signed a veto-proof law, making construction of his wall illegal. The "Great Negotiator" negotiated himself down from a fully funded wall, to no wall ever.

Do you really someone this inept, and easily out manoevred negoitating with the Iranians? I don't.
 
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