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Prosecutors unlikely to charge Trump Org executives

haymarket said:
Obstruction of justice. Mueller gave us many examples of that in the Mueller Report.
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And yet, couldn't come to a conclusion on it, or refused to, and gave the SAME EXACT REPORT to the House, who COULD....and they have done nothing....

Maybe it's just not as cut and dry as you think it is? Or are you gonna go with the narcissistic, I know whats best line?
 
haymarket said:
Attacking one basic norm after the other and weakening them or outright destroying them. Respecting the rule of law is one. Understanding and observing how government works through checks and balances is another. Turning the USA from a haven for refugees into an abuser of children and women is a third. Weakening our alliances with long time allies is a fourth. Inviting our main adversary to help him in an election and them getting that help is a deal breaker.

All that hurts our nation. It hurts our system of government. And it hurts our people.
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You mean like the President making law by E.O. I thought making laws was up to Congress. You know checks and balances...

Responding in October 2010 to demands that he implement immigration reforms unilaterally, Obama declared, "I am not king. I can't do these things just by myself." In March 2011, he [Obama] said that with "respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case." In May 2011, he acknowledged that he couldn't "just bypass Congress and change the (immigration) law myself. ... That's not how a democracy works."
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Yet in 2012, he did it anyway. He put DACA in place to provide pseudo-legal status to illegal aliens brought to the U.S. as minors, including as teenagers. He promised them that they wouldn't be deported and provided them with work authorizations and access to Social Security and other government benefits.
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DACA Is Unconstitutional, as Obama Admitted | The Heritage Foundation
 
sjmay said:
And yet, couldn't come to a conclusion on it, or refused to, and gave the SAME EXACT REPORT to the House, who COULD....and they have done nothing....

Maybe it's just not as cut and dry as you think it is? Or are you gonna go with the narcissistic, I know whats best line?
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The report states very clearly the different ways Trump obstructed justice several times and tells how the law and each part of it was broken by Trump.
 
Atomic Kid said:
LOL! Boy are you people getting desperate. The cheers were much louder and longer.
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So you admit she was booed .You are the one that is getting desperate. Nobody said she wasn't also cheered. .:lol:
 
SLC said:
You mean like the President making law by E.O. I thought making laws was up to Congress. You know checks and balances...
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That is your issue - not mine.

btw - Trump does the same thing. If you condemn the use of Executive Orders - you might as well testify for my case.
 
haymarket said:
The report states very clearly the different ways Trump obstructed justice several times and tells how the law and each part of it was broken by Trump.
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LOL Then ask yourself why isn't the DEMOCRATIC controlled HOUSE doing anything?

Again, maybe it's not as clear as you think it is?
 
haymarket said:
That is your issue - not mine.

btw - Trump does the same thing. If you condemn the use of Executive Orders - you might as well testify for my case.
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No, you literally said Trump was the GREATEST THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES because he doesn't understand checks and balances,

Seems like, he's not the SINGLE GREATEST THREAT....if other Presidents have done the same thing, is he?
 
haymarket said:
The report states very clearly the different ways Trump obstructed justice several times and tells how the law and each part of it was broken by Trump.
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Nope it never drew the conclusion that those instances were in fact obstruction of justice. It inferred that those instances MAY or MAY NOT be obstruction of justice. Barr , Rod, I'll wear a wire, Rosenstein and the Office of Legal Council look at each case and decided they did not constitute obstruction of Justice.


You are snatching at straws the Mueller report is done......finished. There was no there there.
 
haymarket said:
That is your issue - not mine.

btw - Trump does the same thing. If you condemn the use of Executive Orders - you might as well testify for my case.
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And Trump is your issue not mine. Do you not see when you accept Obama's illegal use of E.O. on DACA you have no room to bitch about anything Trump does with E.O.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! He's a lifelong con-man, mobbed up whore and pathological liar.

If dems take the White House, Billy Barr's shenanigans won't save him.

And, of course, there's always state AGs.
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That's the picture you get of Trump if you uncritically accept everything anyone with a beef with him ever said. One example would be the supplier who delivered late. Trump wouldn't accept the delivery and wouldn't pay. To the supplier this means Trump stiffed him, but that wasn't true. The supplier violated the contract.

Trump was very demanding when it came to contractors and suppliers. That's not a fault, but they all whine about it, hence much of the opposition file on Trump.

As for lying, when Trump says that the economy is better than ever then his opposition says he's lying. That's not what most reasonable people would say. It might not numerically and precisely be the best economy ever, but everyone knows what he means.
 
sjmay said:
LOL Then ask yourself why isn't the DEMOCRATIC controlled HOUSE doing anything?

Again, maybe it's not as clear as you think it is?
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Because political considerations are the paramount concern of too many instead of the Constitution and the rule of law.
 
sjmay said:
No, you literally said Trump was the GREATEST THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES because he doesn't understand checks and balances,

Seems like, he's not the SINGLE GREATEST THREAT....if other Presidents have done the same thing, is he?
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That only makes sense if I stated that Trump is the greatest threat because he used Executive Orders. Which I did NOT state and that is NOT my position.
 
SLC said:
Nope it never drew the conclusion that those instances were in fact obstruction of justice. It inferred that those instances MAY or MAY NOT be obstruction of justice. Barr , Rod, I'll wear a wire, Rosenstein and the Office of Legal Council look at each case and decided they did not constitute obstruction of Justice.


You are snatching at straws the Mueller report is done......finished. There was no there there.
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You obviously are ignorant about the content of the Mueller Report because it quite clearly takes several Trump actions and explains which is a clear violation of the law.
 
LowDown said:
That's the picture you get of Trump if you uncritically accept everything anyone with a beef with him ever said. One example would be the supplier who delivered late. Trump wouldn't accept the delivery and wouldn't pay. To the supplier this means Trump stiffed him, but that wasn't true. The supplier violated the contract.

Trump was very demanding when it came to contractors and suppliers. That's not a fault, but they all whine about it, hence much of the opposition file on Trump.

As for lying, when Trump says that the economy is better than ever then his opposition says he's lying. That's not what most reasonable people would say. It might not numerically and precisely be the best economy ever, but everyone knows what he means.
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Oh, I assure you, it's quite critical and backed up history and his record. He's ripped off contractors his whole life. He's launderded money for mobsters. Made mobbed up real estate deals. Trump U.

The man you worship as a god is evil to his core and a mobbed up whore. That's a simple fact.

You wouldn't know reasonable if it were spitting in your face.
 
SLC said:
And Trump is your issue not mine.
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For an American citizen to state that Trump is not their issue is both sad and outright pathetic.
 
sjmay said:
It's not a violation BECAUSE of the DUAL purpose......is it really this hard to understand?
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Apparently... For you. Just saying...
 
NWRatCon said:
Apparently... For you. Just saying...
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And apparently professor of campaign law who stated that. But no worries you know campaign law better right?
 
Oborosen said:
Is there any evidence for Barr doing this, or this criminal enterprise?
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Barr believes the President can do whatever he wants. He has stated this publicly before and was one of the Cheney men that pushed this policy during Bush Jr. I have no doubt that he would do anything to protect Trump from any investigation if he could... why? Because he did it with the Mueller report.

As for Trumps criminal enterprise....Being a mafia like family, it is like all organised crime families.... the big guy rarely gets busted for anything and if he does, he makes it "go away" by paying off someone. That is Trump in a nutshell. He made racism charges disappear by first not following a plea deal and then counter suing for at the time an insane amount of money so that New York had to stop. His history of not paying his bills, and of course his many failed business failures and bankruptcies. That he use an illegal charity to buy stuff, or that he had a ponzi scheme running a fake university.
 
PeteEU said:
Barr believes the President can do whatever he wants. He has stated this publicly before and was one of the Cheney men that pushed this policy during Bush Jr. I have no doubt that he would do anything to protect Trump from any investigation if he could... why? Because he did it with the Mueller report.

As for Trumps criminal enterprise....Being a mafia like family, it is like all organised crime families.... the big guy rarely gets busted for anything and if he does, he makes it "go away" by paying off someone. That is Trump in a nutshell. He made racism charges disappear by first not following a plea deal and then counter suing for at the time an insane amount of money so that New York had to stop. His history of not paying his bills, and of course his many failed business failures and bankruptcies. That he use an illegal charity to buy stuff, or that he had a ponzi scheme running a fake university.
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You tinfoil hat is way to tight.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The investigation went dark 5 months ago, around the time Trump appointed Barr as his personal Attorney General. Sheer coincidence of course.
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Conspiracy Theory forum is ↓
 
MovingPictures said:
Trump Org executives unlikely to be charged, sources say - CNNPolitics

This is very surprising to me. All of the evidence against the Trump Org was so damning. From the checks to the recorded calls, it appeared to be a slam dunk case. I'm going to guess that the SDNY decided that waiting to indict Trump in 2021 just wasn't practical, and would be too political for the office.

What this ought to tell Democrats is that investigating Trump to 'get' him is pointless. He's a rich elitist with the power of the Presidency, who for all pratical purposes IS above the law right now. The only way to end this is to go and beat him at the polls, and just send him back to NY.
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Democrats 'don't need no stinking evidence' to know Trump is guilty, and now they 'know' that prosecutors are crooked because they let Trump off the hook.:roll:
 
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