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Tennessee school will no longer teach Nazi salute after 11-year-old complains

pamak said:
And we have an obligation not to contribute to this diminishing as I explained why it is important, especially for the western "developed" nations, to keep the Holocaust memory very well alive. Japan did not affect Greece, but I expect every Greek to know what the Japanese did to China, and the opposite. It is called general education and should be a must knowledge for every WWII history course !
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You expect every Greek to know.

I might expect every American to know what the US govt did to the Native Americans, it's their government after all, and yet so many people don't know, and they CHOOSE not to know. So how can you expect the Greeks to know about Japan?
 
pamak said:
I do not care what you think. I do not even know if you have children. The results of the children playing Nazis outside of the class in a public place speak for themselves, and as a parent who had at some point 11 years old children, I am surprised that this teacher did not see it coming.
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You don't care what I think. I don't care what you think. You don't know if I have children. I'm not going to tell you personal information.

You see kids playing Nazis as bad. My father grew up playing cowboys and injuns. Bad? He didn't think so, society doesn't think so.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
You expect every Greek to know.

I might expect every American to know what the US govt did to the Native Americans, it's their government after all, and yet so many people don't know, and they CHOOSE not to know. So how can you expect the Greeks to know about Japan?
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I expect the schools to make the effort so that every student will know instead of finding excuses now or 100 years from now to deemphasize the teaching of Holocaust based on your reasoning that historical events faint over time. I cannot control, how every student will respond, and I am sure there will be students who will be more interested in learning Nazi salutes than learning about the Holocaust but as a taxpayer, I CAN control the effort of the education system to teach such things. YOU, on the other hand, prefer to stay passive and let time deemphasize such WWII memories
 
Frigidweirdo said:
You don't care what I think. I don't care what you think. You don't know if I have children. I'm not going to tell you personal information.

You see kids playing Nazis as bad. My father grew up playing cowboys and injuns. Bad? He didn't think so, society doesn't think so.
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Do me a favor and either you let your personal information out of the conversation or if you start talking about your father be prepared to face scrutiny about him and his generation. Your father may have been illiterate. Your father may have been a racist. His generation did not have the sophistication of the current one and his America was not a good place to live for minorities. I judge people based on context, and our modern standards are higher and I see this as progress. If your idea of "Make America Great Again" is to return to the norms of your father's generation then I am not interested. If you want to return to that era, then expect also to take a few left and right slaps in your face whenever you play a Nazi in front of teachers who do not approve such behavior.
 
pamak said:
I expect the schools to make the effort so that every student will know instead of finding excuses now or 100 years from now to deemphasize the teaching of Holocaust based on your reasoning that historical events faint over time. I cannot control, how every student will respond, and I am sure there will be students who will be more interested in learning Nazi salutes than learning about the Holocaust but as a taxpayer, I CAN control the effort of the education system to teach such things. YOU, on the other hand, prefer to stay passive and let time deemphasize such WWII memories
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The problem is you're making a ton of assumptions about the best way of teaching things to kids.

This is the problem I'm having right now.
 
pamak said:
Do me a favor and either you let your personal information out of the conversation or if you start talking about your father be prepared to face scrutiny about him and his generation. Your father may have been illiterate. Your father may have been a racist. His generation did not have the sophistication of the current one and his America was not a good place to live for minorities. I judge people based on context, and our modern standards are higher and I see this as progress. If your idea of "Make America Great Again" is to return to the norms of your father's generation then I am not interested. If you want to return to that era, then expect also to take a few left and right slaps in your face whenever you play a Nazi in front of teachers who do not approve such behavior.
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Do you think if modern day kids were playing cowboys and injuns, that they'd be chastised for doing so?

Hell, kids play computer games that go around killing people.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
The problem is you're making a ton of assumptions about the best way of teaching things to kids.

This is the problem I'm having right now.
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I make arguments too and not just assumptions. If you disagree with any assumption, that is part of my arguments be specific about it. Yes, I assume that saluting like a Nazi in a public place will offend most people, and I also assume that when kids play Nazis in the yard soon after a lesson which included roleplaying Nazi salutes, there is a link between these two events.
 
pamak said:
I make arguments too and not just assumptions. If you disagree with any assumption, that is part of my arguments be specific about it. Yes, I assume that saluting like a Nazi in a public place will offend most people, and I also assume that when kids play Nazis in the yard soon after a lesson which included roleplaying Nazi salutes, there is a link between these two events.
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Okay, there's probably a link between the two.

Now, do you think those kids who are saluting in the school yard will go on to become Nazis? Do you think they'll go off home and start saluting Jews, Germans or whoever?
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Do you think if modern day kids were playing cowboys and injuns, that they'd be chastised for doing so?

Hell, kids play computer games that go around killing people.
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Schools do not teach the kids to play such games. Nor are such games part of history classes. And even these violent electronic games are often rated and elementary school kids cannot play many of them. But what kids do at home when parents have the supervision is a different matter and goes beyond the scope of what a teacher can do in a public classroom. There are parents who let their kids play whatever they want, and there are parents who are more strict and have parental control. A school has students from many different families and the curriculum should reflect that. Playing cowboys and Indians is not part of any lesson I know.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Okay, there's probably a link between the two.

Now, do you think those kids who are saluting in the school yard will go on to become Nazis? Do you think they'll go off home and start saluting Jews, Germans or whoever?
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Not necessarily, but some of them may actually walk a darker path. And yes I think that kids can easily start saluting others just for fun or even for other reasons, such as when they want to bully a person (and bullies will always exist). Kids of that age have not developed fully empathy for others and because of this, they are more prone to do stupid things. Kids can be cruel, harass "retarded" people as you called them, torture animals and so on. I recall my class when we were around 10 years old and when a special education girl came to our class, she became the target of things like having students trying to convince her to take off her pants during the school brake.
 
pamak said:
Not all lessons have value. Some lessons are destructive and some lessons reinforce bad behavior either unintentionally or intentionally when teachers dress their political opinions with the veil of some "educational" supposedly legitimacy. Teachers like any other demographic have their share of scums, including Neonazi and alt-right types.

If one wants to teach kids history or engineering or anything else, the most important thing he needs to teach them at an early stage is the love of reading itself! I have been in the US for about 19 years, and I learned more US history from my kid's textbooks than Americans with whom I try to have a conversation and discover that they are completely clueless about even basic things! In another thread I had to talk to a "patriot" supposedly who did not have a clue of two of the most landmark decisions in the US Supreme Court history. Out of curiosity, I went to my library (since I kept at home my kids' textbooks after they finished school) just to see at what level CA textbooks examine such these cases. I found extensive coverage as early as in the textbook of 8th grade at middle-school.


Yes, it is good, and perhaps necessary for modern kids to have devices to get and retain their attention but instead of having idiotic proposals by people who do not even discount plans that may have Nazi salutes and even mock executions of Jewish kids, one can easily set up a mock trial of Nazi mass murders. And such setting did not permit Nazi salutes and can be used with subdued "Nazi" players and very emotional material! If one tries to tell me that he cannot find a way to create a lesson plan that can engage students without emphasizing Nazi behavior, I will question his motives or his intellect and professional quality as a teacher!
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WTF???
Who did mock executions of Jews?

I think you've whined so much about this stupidity, that you've lost the topic and are wondering now.
Your arguments a just a bunch of silliness, but you have succeeded in virtue-signalling and affirming the unity of the incredibly stupid, childish and destructive ideas of...Progressivism.
 
pamak said:
Yes, I want to sensor the play for small kids!

Unless you do not care if a gay teacher starts using your kids in erotic roleplays to teach gay inclusion or whatever BS he thinks must be roleplayed in his class.
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:lamo
Now the Progressive mind wants to try and equate sexual assault … to a salute.
I guess this means you're out of real ideas so...you can keep your gay sexual assault...and I'll keep on advocating for common sense.

Bye bye.

:lamo
Gay sexual assault...
:lamo
 
bearpoker said:
That's okay. All us whiny progressives will make sure that our children will be educated in a way that comports with our standards and you can carry on about how horrible we are all you want. I suspect that what really torks you off is that Canada is even less to your liking politically than we are and nobody agrees with you there. So we'll continue virtue signaling and you can continue your ineffectual, nonsensical railing.
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I will indeed, use my vote to end this reign of Justin. But I won't let my opposition drive me to stupidity and 24/7 whining. Nor will I let it drive me to support a fascist-communist agenda, or support masked social miss-fits and losers who like to gang up on individuals and beat them into the hospital. I will vote for Canadian Nationalism. So will allot of fellow Canadians. I will also always recognize the Libbie tactic of assuming their group-think and SJW world, includes everybody, is a simple-minded attempt by very insecure losers, to find a false sense of belonging. There are allot of Americans with a solid understanding of what the Libbies want, and will oppose this childish display of "herd mentality". They are there...all around you...and the more you fine Progressives insist on letting these idiotic ideas slip out of your mouths...the closer they get to 4 more years of President Donald J Trump.
 
bearpoker said:
Unbelievable!!! You want to teach a sanitized versions of Nazis to protect the poor little children from the truth!! Essentially you want to lie to them and call it history.
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Hey, I got it, why not just show them the 'faces of death' series while we're at it...throw in some gay porn too...I mean its life right?

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How can a child ever learn to grow up and get a mortgage if they haven't pretended to be a Nazi in school?



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Hatuey said:
How can a child ever learn to grow up and get a mortgage if they haven't pretended to be a Nazi in school?



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Words of wisdom...for an 11 year old...:roll:
 
Buzz62 said:
Words of wisdom...for an 11 year old...:roll:
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Are 11 year olds crying because they can't be Nazis at school? Seems to me like the ones crying are the adults in this thread who genuinely believe children benefit from pretending to be Nazis.

Do children benefit from pretending to be Nazis at school? Go on, enlighten us with your years of pedagogical know how.





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Hatuey said:
Are 11 year olds crying because they can't be Nazis at school? Seems to me like the ones crying are the adults in this thread who genuinely believe children benefit from pretending to be Nazis.

Do children benefit from pretending to be Nazis at school? Go on, enlighten us with your years of pedagogical know how.





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I don't know if 11 year olds are crying about not being able to salute in school. I do know 1 single little girl and her daddies cried, and changed the school curriculum.
Democracy in action.
Children always benefit from learning. Unless of course, you raise your child in a sterile bubble, in your sterile little world.
This though does present one remarkable benefit.

Sterility.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Do you think if modern day kids were playing cowboys and injuns, that they'd be chastised for doing so?
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Good question. Do the kids that are playing "The Cowboys" get to rape the females that are playing "The Indians"? Do the kids that are playing "The Cowboys" get to steal anything that the kids that are playing "The Indians" have and then kill the kids that are playing "The Indians" if those kids complain? Do the kids that are playing "The Cowboys" get to "form militias" and then kill the kids that are playing "The Indians" in order to collect the bounties that the governments were paying for every "Indian" killed? Do the kids who are playing "The Indians" get to starve to death while the kids who are playing "The Cowboys" get rich selling off the stuff (paid for by the government) that the kids who are playing "The Indians" were supposed to get to eat?

Oh, and do the kids that are playing "The Cowboys" get to die off in greater numbers from "accidental discharges" and "friendly fire" than they do from being killed by the kids that are playing "The Indians".

Frigidweirdo said:
Hell, kids play computer games that go around killing people.
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Indeed, and the studies appear to show that doing that has a tendency to "desensitize" those kids so that they are more likely to act in a violent manner if they have such an inclination in the first place. [NOTE - That does NOT mean that "violent video games CAUSE violent tendencies".]
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Okay, there's probably a link between the two.

Now, do you think those kids who are saluting in the school yard will go on to become Nazis? Do you think they'll go off home and start saluting Jews, Germans or whoever?
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If they think that "being a Nazi is **F*U*N**" then they are likely to be more susceptible to the blandishments of those (be they on "The Left" or on "The Right") who tell them that they are "members of the master race" and that all of their problems are caused by "Those People".
 
Buzz62 said:
I don't know if 11 year olds are crying about not being able to salute in school.
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I never gave the Nazi salute in school. Did you? Lol, what are they teaching up your way?

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Buzz62 said:
:lamo
Now the Progressive mind wants to try and equate sexual assault … to a salute.
I guess this means you're out of real ideas so...you can keep your gay sexual assault...and I'll keep on advocating for common sense.

Bye bye.

:lamo
Gay sexual assault...
:lamo
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I classify both of them as obscene...which offend people

Do not let the door hit you on the way out...
 
Buzz62 said:
WTF???
Who did mock executions of Jews?

I think you've whined so much about this stupidity, that you've lost the topic and are wondering now.
Your arguments a just a bunch of silliness, but you have succeeded in virtue-signalling and affirming the unity of the incredibly stupid, childish and destructive ideas of...Progressivism.
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Before you become upset with my comments, you should follow the conversation and see that we had a poster who said the following...

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...-11-year-old-complains-29.html#post1070328943



Originally Posted by Frigidweirdo


Then what do you want?

I wouldn't necessarily think that mock executions of Jews would be a bad idea, except for the fact that it might be a tad too difficult for a lot of kids to take in, you know?

This came from your side, and leaves open the possibility of even roleplaying "mock executions of Jews" with older kids when they supposedly will be able to absorb the point of the lesson...:roll:
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Good question. Do the kids that are playing "The Cowboys" get to rape the females that are playing "The Indians"? Do the kids that are playing "The Cowboys" get to steal anything that the kids that are playing "The Indians" have and then kill the kids that are playing "The Indians" if those kids complain? Do the kids that are playing "The Cowboys" get to "form militias" and then kill the kids that are playing "The Indians" in order to collect the bounties that the governments were paying for every "Indian" killed? Do the kids who are playing "The Indians" get to starve to death while the kids who are playing "The Cowboys" get rich selling off the stuff (paid for by the government) that the kids who are playing "The Indians" were supposed to get to eat?

Oh, and do the kids that are playing "The Cowboys" get to die off in greater numbers from "accidental discharges" and "friendly fire" than they do from being killed by the kids that are playing "The Indians".



Indeed, and the studies appear to show that doing that has a tendency to "desensitize" those kids so that they are more likely to act in a violent manner if they have such an inclination in the first place. [NOTE - That does NOT mean that "violent video games CAUSE violent tendencies".]
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I'm quite sure those who do the Nazi salute aren't going around play acting rape of killing of Jews.

Not really sure what your point is.

"the studies".... yeah, what studies? You can't come on here and talk about studies without showing them, otherwise I think you just made it up (I think you just made it up).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
If they think that "being a Nazi is **F*U*N**" then they are likely to be more susceptible to the blandishments of those (be they on "The Left" or on "The Right") who tell them that they are "members of the master race" and that all of their problems are caused by "Those People".
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Really? I don't think so. I think people who end up thinking like this are more susceptible because they're not so bright. People who think they can rise up in society only by bringing others down.
 
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