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Tennessee school will no longer teach Nazi salute after 11-year-old complains

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From The Independent

Tennessee school will no longer teach Nazi salute after 11-year-old complains
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An elementary school will no longer teach the Nazi salute during historical role play exercises after an 11-year-old student complained.

One of the student’s parents, Keith Gamble, shared screenshots of an email his partner sent McFadden School of Excellence in Murfreesboro, Tennessee detailing the extent of students’ school sanctioned Nazi roleplay.

Mr Gamble’s screenshots explain that his daughter’s fifth grade teacher assigned projects to the class in a segment called “Living History” that involved teaching students the Nazi salute, and one child portraying Adolf Hitler in a presentation.

According to Mr Gamble, these actions upset his daughter, who voiced her concern during the lesson and asked her schoolmates to stop, shouting “put your hands down.”

He writes that his daughter was removed from the classroom and sent to the principal’s office for being “disrespectful with her tone and body language to teachers.”

COMMENT:-

I do have to admit that the headline is a "fine" example of a misleading headline.

On the other hand, <sarc>the school was perfectly correct in disciplining the young girl because of here disrespectful tone and body language towards her teachers when she complained about the other children pretending to be Nazis and the teacher (apparently) doing nothing to stop them or to reinforce the fact that the Nazis were murderous thugs who were not - in the least - worthy of being emulated.</sarc>
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TU Curmudgeon said:
From The Independent

Tennessee school will no longer teach Nazi salute after 11-year-old complains
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An elementary school will no longer teach the Nazi salute during historical role play exercises after an 11-year-old student complained.

One of the student’s parents, Keith Gamble, shared screenshots of an email his partner sent McFadden School of Excellence in Murfreesboro, Tennessee detailing the extent of students’ school sanctioned Nazi roleplay.

Mr Gamble’s screenshots explain that his daughter’s fifth grade teacher assigned projects to the class in a segment called “Living History” that involved teaching students the Nazi salute, and one child portraying Adolf Hitler in a presentation.

According to Mr Gamble, these actions upset his daughter, who voiced her concern during the lesson and asked her schoolmates to stop, shouting “put your hands down.”

He writes that his daughter was removed from the classroom and sent to the principal’s office for being “disrespectful with her tone and body language to teachers.”

COMMENT:-

I do have to admit that the headline is a "fine" example of a misleading headline.

On the other hand, <sarc>the school was perfectly correct in disciplining the young girl because of here disrespectful tone and body language towards her teachers when she complained about the other children pretending to be Nazis and the teacher (apparently) doing nothing to stop them or to reinforce the fact that the Nazis were murderous thugs who were not - in the least - worthy of being emulated.</sarc>
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The 'snowflake' is being indoctrinated earlier, and earlier.....
 
In some of these stories I can understand the opposing side but "school sanctioned Nazi roleplay" is definitely a shocker. Historical roleplaying is a nice idea to keep kids interested, but if you find yourself inadvertently teaching kids that playing Nazi is fun you should probably tone it down a bit.
 
and yet no one complained when they roleplayed lynching of blacks...….
 
Crosscheck said:
and yet no one complained when they roleplayed lynching of blacks...….
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You could possibly be correct.

On the other hand, maybe you'd like to produce some evidence that they ACTUALLY role played "lynching of blacks".
 
I wonder if they roleplay the Nazis putting the Jews in the ovens. Or the gas chambers. Or the mass graves.

I'd be interested in knowing why this young lady was upset. Perhaps she had family who died in the camps. Maybe she has relatives who still have registration tattoos. 5th grade seems a little early to expose students to the realities of the holocaust and WWII.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
On the other hand, <sarc>the school was perfectly correct in disciplining the young girl because of here disrespectful tone and body language towards her teachers when she complained about the other children pretending to be Nazis and the teacher (apparently) doing nothing to stop them or to reinforce the fact that the Nazis were murderous thugs who were not - in the least - worthy of being emulated.</sarc>
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Well there's your problem. Trump has declared some of them to be "very fine people," so why wouldn't teachers and other students embrace them?
 
j-mac said:
The 'snowflake' is being indoctrinated earlier, and earlier.....
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Exactly!

Next thing you know they're going to be complaining about the USA opening a bunch of Concentration Camps along it's Southern border specifically to incarcerate brown skinned people.

Snowflakes!
 
JustHanging said:
Exactly!

Next thing you know they're going to be complaining about the USA opening a bunch of Concentration Camps along it's Southern border specifically to incarcerate brown skinned people.

Snowflakes!
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Yep, glad you see it....Refreshing to hear the truth out of a liberal for once...(even though I know you're being facetious...)
 
j-mac said:
Yep, glad you see it....Refreshing to hear the truth out of a liberal for once...(even though I know you're being facetious...)
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Not really

When the leader of a country publicly supports a specific group, as Trump did with Neo Nazis and the KKK after Charlottesville, it's going to have an effect throughout that country.

Opening Concentration Camps for the incarceration of brown skinned people is completely defended by most Trump supporters on this forum, and likely in the country.

I'm sure most of them do see people complaining about using Concentration Camps to incarcerate brown skinned people as snowflakes.
 
JustHanging said:
Not really

When the leader of a country publicly supports a specific group, as Trump did with Neo Nazis and the KKK after Charlottesville, it's going to have an effect throughout that country.
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He never did that.

Opening Concentration Camps for the incarceration of brown skinned people is completely defended by most Trump supporters on this forum, and likely in the country.
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Never did that...

I'm sure most of them do see people complaining about using Concentration Camps to incarcerate brown skinned people as snowflakes.
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Strike Three!
 
j-mac said:
He never did that.
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Don't be silly. National community and business leaders all quit prestigious committees in protest.

Trump's business advisory councils disband as CEOs abandon Trump

Donald Trump's entire arts council quits in protest


We all saw what happened. You can try to defend this immoral behavior by pretending it didn't happen, or by justifying Trump's words, but it doesn't change the fact that it did happen. And of course, the White Supremacists loved it too, didn't they?

One group loved Trump’s remarks about Charlottesville: White supremacists


Trump and White Supremacists, a match made in heaven eh.

Hail Trump: White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute - BBC


That really demonstrates how racist the USA actually is, don't you think? These same people supporting and defending the use of Concentration Camps to incarcerate brown skinned people just confirms it. What a sad commentary on the state of the USA, and what has become of it. :(
 
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JustHanging said:
Don't be silly. National community and business leaders all quit prestigious committees in protest.

Trump's business advisory councils disband as CEOs abandon Trump

Donald Trump's entire arts council quits in protest


We all saw what happened. You can try to defend this immoral behavior by pretending it didn't happen, or by justifying Trump's words, but it doesn't change the fact that it did happen. And of course, the White Supremacists loved it too, didn't they?

One group loved Trump’s remarks about Charlottesville: White supremacists


Trump and White Supremacists, a match made in heaven eh.

Hail Trump: White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute - BBC


That really demonstrates how racist the USA actually is, don't you think? These same people supporting and defending the use of Concentration Camps to incarcerate brown skinned people just confirms it. What a sad commentary on the state of the USA, and what has become of it. :(
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It's a deplorable tactic you're using here...You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
j-mac said:
It's a deplorable tactic you're using here...
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I know, using the truth. Using reputable sources to support my claims. Not mindlessly believing whatever Trump and Alex Jones tell me. The horror! The horror!


You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Dude, I'm not the one defending a person who publicly supports Neo Nazis. Just sayin', because where I come from, that is shameful. But then I don't support incarcerating brown skinned people in Concentration Camps either.
 
MrPeanut said:
In some of these stories I can understand the opposing side but "school sanctioned Nazi roleplay" is definitely a shocker. Historical roleplaying is a nice idea to keep kids interested, but if you find yourself inadvertently teaching kids that playing Nazi is fun you should probably tone it down a bit.
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Hey... the producers was plenty fun. Role playing can be a hoot in the right context.
 
JustHanging said:
I know, using the truth. Using reputable sources to support my claims. Not mindlessly believing whatever Trump and Alex Jones tell me. The horror! The horror!




Dude, I'm not the one defending a person who publicly supports Neo Nazis. Just sayin', because where I come from, that is shameful. But then I don't support incarcerating brown skinned people in Concentration Camps either.
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:roll: You're boring.
 
At some point in every discussion, there should someone that says "maybe we should rethink this...." Im thinking someone on the Nazi Roleplay team dropped the ball.....
 
More seriously, its too bad the teacher did not see this as a teaching moment. Most male kids I knew when I grew up saw all the war films and STILL had a certain respect for Nazi iconography and themes. Nobody thought throwing Jews into the camps was their idea of role playing, but plenty enjoyed the play of pretending to be part of a powerful movement hailing "Der Furher". The thrill of, in unison, giving the Nazi salute is an exploration in mass psychology, how humans give up their humanity to a cause that destroys individual responsibility and will.

Whatever thrill the 11 year olds had could have been instructive - demonstrating the power of mass movements that perpetuate such evil.
 
maxparrish said:
Hey... the producers was plenty fun. Role playing can be a hoot in the right context.
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All I know is that if you tell a bunch of 11 year old boys it's fine to do Nazi salutes, and pretend to be Hitler, recess will get out of hand pretty quickly.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From The Independent

Tennessee school will no longer teach Nazi salute after 11-year-old complains
​

An elementary school will no longer teach the Nazi salute during historical role play exercises after an 11-year-old student complained.

One of the student’s parents, Keith Gamble, shared screenshots of an email his partner sent McFadden School of Excellence in Murfreesboro, Tennessee detailing the extent of students’ school sanctioned Nazi roleplay.

Mr Gamble’s screenshots explain that his daughter’s fifth grade teacher assigned projects to the class in a segment called “Living History” that involved teaching students the Nazi salute, and one child portraying Adolf Hitler in a presentation.

According to Mr Gamble, these actions upset his daughter, who voiced her concern during the lesson and asked her schoolmates to stop, shouting “put your hands down.”

He writes that his daughter was removed from the classroom and sent to the principal’s office for being “disrespectful with her tone and body language to teachers.”

COMMENT:-

I do have to admit that the headline is a "fine" example of a misleading headline.

On the other hand, <sarc>the school was perfectly correct in disciplining the young girl because of here disrespectful tone and body language towards her teachers when she complained about the other children pretending to be Nazis and the teacher (apparently) doing nothing to stop them or to reinforce the fact that the Nazis were murderous thugs who were not - in the least - worthy of being emulated.</sarc>
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It's a shame the linked article is so poorly written and full of bias and conjecture. It makes it impossible to fully understand the objective of the school, and what actually happened.

Biased propaganda like that presented so frequently by "the Independent" does little to inform the public.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From The Independent

Tennessee school will no longer teach Nazi salute after 11-year-old complains
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An elementary school will no longer teach the Nazi salute during historical role play exercises after an 11-year-old student complained.

One of the student’s parents, Keith Gamble, shared screenshots of an email his partner sent McFadden School of Excellence in Murfreesboro, Tennessee detailing the extent of students’ school sanctioned Nazi roleplay.

Mr Gamble’s screenshots explain that his daughter’s fifth grade teacher assigned projects to the class in a segment called “Living History” that involved teaching students the Nazi salute, and one child portraying Adolf Hitler in a presentation.

According to Mr Gamble, these actions upset his daughter, who voiced her concern during the lesson and asked her schoolmates to stop, shouting “put your hands down.”

He writes that his daughter was removed from the classroom and sent to the principal’s office for being “disrespectful with her tone and body language to teachers.”

COMMENT:-

I do have to admit that the headline is a "fine" example of a misleading headline.

On the other hand, <sarc>the school was perfectly correct in disciplining the young girl because of here disrespectful tone and body language towards her teachers when she complained about the other children pretending to be Nazis and the teacher (apparently) doing nothing to stop them or to reinforce the fact that the Nazis were murderous thugs who were not - in the least - worthy of being emulated.</sarc>
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So a school makes a decision to what? Not teach the HAIL salute? A salute used by Romans as well?
What? Because 1 girl didn't like it? Huh...:roll:
 
Buzz62 said:
So a school makes a decision to what? Not teach the HAIL salute? A salute used by Romans as well?
What? Because 1 girl didn't like it? Huh...:roll:
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I note that you forgot to mention "and which was the original salute used along with the Pledge of Allegiance".

The last time I noticed, no one was accusing the Roman Empire of deliberately organizing institutionalized mass murder.

Or are you one of those who claim that "The so-called 'Holocaust' simply never happened and that all of the so-called 'evidence' in support of the false claim that it did happen was manufactured by the 'Jooze'."?

PS - I am not Jewish and I find "the Nazi salute" offensive where as I wouldn't find the same gesture offensive if it were to take place within the context of role-playing a scenario from the Roman Empire. Those students were NOT role-playing a scenario from the Roman Empire, they WERE role-playing a scenario from Nazi Germany so the gesture WAS "the Nazi salute" and NOT "the Roman salute". Not only that, but I wouldn't find the gesture offensive if the students were role-playing a scenario from the days of the origin of the Pledge of Allegiance either.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
You could possibly be correct.

On the other hand, maybe you'd like to produce some evidence that they ACTUALLY role played "lynching of blacks".
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I was attempting to be sarcastic.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I note that you forgot to mention "and which was the original salute used along with the Pledge of Allegiance".

The last time I noticed, no one was accusing the Roman Empire of deliberately organizing institutionalized mass murder.

Or are you one of those who claim that "The so-called 'Holocaust' simply never happened and that all of the so-called 'evidence' in support of the false claim that it did happen was manufactured by the 'Jooze'."?

PS - I am not Jewish and I find "the Nazi salute" offensive where as I wouldn't find the same gesture offensive if it were to take place within the context of role-playing a scenario from the Roman Empire. Those students were NOT role-playing a scenario from the Roman Empire, they WERE role-playing a scenario from Nazi Germany so the gesture WAS "the Nazi salute" and NOT "the Roman salute". Not only that, but I wouldn't find the gesture offensive if the students were role-playing a scenario from the days of the origin of the Pledge of Allegiance either.
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We already know of the atrocities of the Roman Empire.
Its a form of salute. The Nazis used it. Its part of a history lesson.
Not everything needs to be sugar-coated. History is full of salty and sour events that are just as valid as lessons as...hugging you neighbor.
And 11 year-olds should NOT be dictating a school's educational policies.
 
Buzz62 said:
We already know of the atrocities of the Roman Empire.
Its a form of salute. The Nazis used it. Its part of a history lesson.
Not everything needs to be sugar-coated. History is full of salty and sour events that are just as valid as lessons as...hugging you neighbor.
And 11 year-olds should NOT be dictating a school's educational policies.
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Knowing about something is different then role playing it.

I learned about the Nazi's and the Holocaust without having anyone role play as nazi's saluting their leaders
 
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