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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Just don't turn around.
    We should be preserving this sort of thing.

    "That's where we were then. This is where we are now. We're not perfect, but at least we don't have chattel slavery now."
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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Howl View Post
    We should be preserving this sort of thing.

    "That's where we were then. This is where we are now. We're not perfect, but at least we don't have chattel slavery now."
    We have history books. We have history classes. We have museums. If people are tired of an ugly wall, that's fine. How, after all, will we remember whatever the new thing is if it's not the mural.

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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    So both sides are stupid?
    That just about sums it up.

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    Why are we judging history with today's morality?
    Because it is a whole lot easier (and more fun) to do that then it is to actually think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Why are we not proud of our enlightenment, if that's what we should call it, and be proud of the progress we have made?
    Damn good question. One of the things that America should be extremely proud of is the way that it has managed to move on from the original, racist, sexist, oligarchic, society that the Founding Fathers established (because, in the time of the Founding Fathers it wasn't viewed as either racist, or sexist, or oligarchic, but merely as "progressive" [which, compared to an absolute monarchy, it was {of course, you do have to sort of ignore the fact that England had not been an absolute monarchy since around 1215 and by 1775 had come almost all the way to being a constitutional monarchy <admittedly a racist, sexist, and oligarchic constitutional monarchy>}]).

    But, of course, such subtle distinctions are MUCH too difficult for children to grasp so the educational system has to teach them "slimmed down truth".

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Why not let such mural serve as a reminder of what once was and what is now?
    <sarc>We can't have that. I mean did you actually look at the picture in the article and see the mob of school kids gawking at the mural and sniggering over the amount of bare flesh depicted (especially on the women in the mural)</sarc>?
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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    Quote Originally Posted by JustHanging View Post
    Maybe, but if it was my ancestors being portrayed like that, I would have noticed.

    The thing is, these aren't miniature adults, their brains aren't fully developed, and I'm not an expert on how this might be affecting them. Personally, I would like to hear from some experts, or representatives of the children who have heard from some experts.
    Why not simply take a look at the picture in the original article and see how much attention the students are paying to the mural.

    If your high school had a mural on one of its walls, could you provide an accurate description of what was in that mural?
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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I ask you again, why are you whatabouting your own thread?
    "Whatabouting" is defined as saying that something that "our guys" did is OK because "their guys" did it too and it is perfectly horrible that "their guys" did it.

    Pointing out that BOTH sides are WRONG when they do the same thing is NOT "whatabouting".

    Possibly it still hasn't percolated through to you that BOTH the "liberals" (whatever that means) NOW, and the "conservatives" (whatever that means) THEN object to the same piece of art on the same grounds AND that BOTH the "conservatives" (whatever that means) NOW, and the "liberals" (whatever that means) THEN defend the same piece of art on the same grounds.

    As before


    I just can't see the difference between "'Left-wing' (whatever that is) Orwellian nonsense" and "'Right-wing' (whatever that is) Orwellian nonsense" (especially when both the "'Left-wing' (whatever that is) Orwellian nonsense" and the "'Right-wing' (whatever that is) Orwellian nonsense" are being propounded for IDENTICAL reasons.

    You appear to be able to tell how one type of "Orwellian nonsense" IS NOT really "Orwellian nonsense" while the identical type of "Orwellian nonsense" IS really "Orwellian nonsense" - and seem to be able to base that differentiation on whether you agree or disagree with the political alignment of the persons spouting the "Orwellian nonsense".
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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Howl View Post
    We should be preserving this sort of thing.

    "That's where we were then. This is where we are now. We're not perfect, but at least we don't have chattel slavery now."
    Yep, as the enlightened cynic would say


    "We've come a long way from when women were regarded as property and not allowed to vote and from when only the rich actually had any chance for obtaining political office, and when people were actually allowed to own other people, and when even the dimmest bulb in the upper crust had the opportunity for a good education and when only the incredibly outstanding in the remainder of society had the opportunity for a good education, and where immigrants were scorned and derided as carriers of disease and inherently vicious criminals and when the government didn't hesitate to send American military forces out to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries, and ..."
    I was told that the best things for me were to eat healthy foods, walk up hills, stop smoking cigars, and cut out drinking Scotch.
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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    "Whatabouting" is defined as saying that something that "our guys" did is OK because "their guys" did it too and it is perfectly horrible that "their guys" did it.

    Pointing out that BOTH sides are WRONG when they do the same thing is NOT "whatabouting".

    Possibly it still hasn't percolated through to you that BOTH the "liberals" (whatever that means) NOW, and the "conservatives" (whatever that means) THEN object to the same piece of art on the same grounds AND that BOTH the "conservatives" (whatever that means) NOW, and the "liberals" (whatever that means) THEN defend the same piece of art on the same grounds.

    As before


    I just can't see the difference between "'Left-wing' (whatever that is) Orwellian nonsense" and "'Right-wing' (whatever that is) Orwellian nonsense" (especially when both the "'Left-wing' (whatever that is) Orwellian nonsense" and the "'Right-wing' (whatever that is) Orwellian nonsense" are being propounded for IDENTICAL reasons.

    You appear to be able to tell how one type of "Orwellian nonsense" IS NOT really "Orwellian nonsense" while the identical type of "Orwellian nonsense" IS really "Orwellian nonsense" - and seem to be able to base that differentiation on whether you agree or disagree with the political alignment of the persons spouting the "Orwellian nonsense".
    When did I ever say any of that "right-wing" Orwellian nonsense is OK? Or "not really" Orwellian?

    I didn't. Not ever. Not once. And not even impliedly.

    But that isn't the topic. The topic is the Orwellian nonsense going on in SF. Can you discuss that without trying to say "they do it, too!"? It doesn't look like you can. Thus, you're whatabouting your own thread. For reasons which are unclear.
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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepdog View Post
    San Fran has seceded from the United States long ago so it makes sense that nothing relating to our great nation remains in that dump.


    San Fran/liberal logic tells us that George Washington = bad, and hairy homos in assless chaps twerking in front of little kids = good.

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    Too bad the latest earthquakes didn't sink San Francisco into the bay. For that matter all of California sliding into the deep Pacific.
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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” ― George Orewell

    From 1984:

    “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

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    Re: San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    When did I ever say any of that "right-wing" Orwellian nonsense is OK? Or "not really" Orwellian?

    I didn't. Not ever. Not once. And not even impliedly.

    But that isn't the topic. The topic is the Orwellian nonsense going on in SF. Can you discuss that without trying to say "they do it, too!"? It doesn't look like you can. Thus, you're whatabouting your own thread. For reasons which are unclear.
    If you cannot tell the difference between


    What A is doing is "Orwellian nonsense" and what B is doing is "Orwellian nonsense" and they are BOTH wrong to be indulging in "Orwellian nonsense".

    and


    What A is doing is "Orwellian nonsense" and what B is doing is "Orwellian nonsense" BUT it's OK for A to indulge in "Orwellian nonsense" because B is indulging in completely unacceptable "Orwellian nonsense".

    there isn't much point in continuing.

    If you somehow think that me saying the first actually means that I am saying the second then there is even less point.

    Let me use up a bit of bandwidth to indulge in a little typographical emphasis so you might get my point.

    What I am saying is


    What A is doing is "Orwellian nonsense" and what B is doing is "Orwellian nonsense" and they are BOTH wrong to be indulging in "Orwellian nonsense".

    is that slightly clearer?
    I was told that the best things for me were to eat healthy foods, walk up hills, stop smoking cigars, and cut out drinking Scotch.
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