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Trump mulls executive order to add citizenship question to census: report

What seemed peculiar about the SC majority decision was that Roberts said the Government argument sounded "contrived".
A SC Justice is supposed to consider the Law when it decides, so an objection that appears to be so subjective and arbitrary is what sounds "contrived".

Given the kinds of detailed questions asked of respondents, objections to a question about citizenship seem especially "contrived".
Frankly, you would think asking each resident a Citizenship status question is at least as important as asking a Relationship status question.
 
Keep in mind the reason for apportioning both representatives and direct taxes was explained as follows by Madison in the Federalist Papers, that it “…will have a very salutary effect.” Madison observes in this paper . . . “Were” the various States’ “share of representation alone to be governed by this rule, they would have an interest in exaggerating their inhabitants. Were the rule to decide their share of taxation alone, a contrary temptation would prevail. By extending the rule to both objects, the States will have opposite interests, which will control and balance each other, and produce the requisite impartiality.”
See Federalist No. 54

The census is to determine two things. a state's number of representatives, and a state's share of the federal tax burden.


Our communist/socialist states like California want to swell their population size with illegal entrants so they can increase their representation in Congress. But they do not want to pay their apportioned share of the federal tax burden as intended by our founders.

The two fair share formulas for which the census is conducted are:
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State`s Population
_________________X House membership (435) = State`s No. of Representatives
Population of U.S.
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State`s population
_________________ X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE`S SHARE OF TAX BURDEN
Total U.S. Population

For an example of this apportioned tax see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million in which the rule of apportionment is applied.

And then see Section 7 of the direct tax of 1813 allowing states to pay their respective quotas and be entitled to certain deductions in meeting their payment on time.


We wouldn't have all this crap going on about the census if the rule of apportionment was once again applied to each states number of representatives and its share of our federal tax burden. Unfortunately, our communists and socialists have managed to circumvent that part of apportionment requiring their communist/socialist states to pay their apportioned share of the tab, while they swell their states with illegal entrants to increase the representation in Congress.

JWK
 
What seemed peculiar about the SC majority decision was that Roberts said the Government argument sounded "contrived".
A SC Justice is supposed to consider the Law when it decides, so an objection that appears to be so subjective and arbitrary is what sounds "contrived".

Given the kinds of detailed questions asked of respondents, objections to a question about citizenship seem especially "contrived".
Frankly, you would think asking each resident a Citizenship status question is at least as important as asking a Relationship status question.

See POST 21


JWK
 
Thats just so stupid. :roll: But tell me, back when you were arguing here against Obamas EO's was it because you were racist? Is it because you didnt like it when the black man did things? Sure seems like it now.

Oh my bad. I didn't realize you were vehemently opposed to Trump using EOs. I have to check to read all your posts attacking him for them. And I look forward to posts from you as he completes his time in office and issues EOs, criticizing him.

There's hope for you yet.
 
His name is President Obama, not "the black man."

Oh, I didn't realize he isn't black anymore. When did that change?

Yes, his name also isn't Obummer and other stupid names like that. Doesn't stop your fellow Trump fans from calling him names.

Elizabeth Warren's name isn't Pocahontas. Joe Biden's name isn't Sleepy Joe. Hillary Clinton's name isn't Crooked Hillary. Shall I go on? Let me know when you're outraged about Trump name calling like a fat toddler, since you brought up fake outrage on name calling, which isn't even what I did.
 
Well, instead of speaking in generalities, as you have done, which is a clever trick, how about being specific?

When Congress refused to allocate funds to build a wall on the border, Trump simply said "OK, since Congress won't do as I demand, I will abuse the privilege of declaring a national emergency and scrape money from funds otherwise already dispersed." You see how that worked? It became a "national emergency" when a co-equal branch of government opposed Trump's plan. He had neither the support of the GOP Senate or House on this boondoggle during his first two years in office. But rather than press the issue, pissing off the very people who would make sure he stays in office, regardless of the findings of the Mueller report, Trump waited until after he was shellacked in the midterms to then press the issue with the Dems in the House. "Oh, the Dems are obstructionists! The Dems are for open borders!" All the while, the GOP in the Senate keep their dainty little hands from getting dirty.

Is that specific enough for you?



Are you suggesting a president of the United States could actually impose Martial Law and go around locking up political opponents by him/her self in today's world and get away with it?

He would not have to lock anyone up. He can simply declare a national emergency due to massive voter fraud (never mind there will be zero evidence to support the claim) and declare the results of the 2020 elections null and void.

Seems to me the president would have to have thousands of willing accomplices at the DOJ, in our courts and law enforcement agencies who have taken an oath to support and defend our Constitution.

You ignore that Trump has a base of approximately 30% of the population who support him regardless of the facts, like the fact that Trump lies on a daily basis, about big things and little. Any law enforcement officer, any DOJ employee, any court employee who would dare to speak out against Trump would be declared a traitor and likely fired or maybe even arrested.

Tell me, do you think the American People would stand idle and do nothing? Do you remember the Bundy standoff?

Yes, I remember the Bundy standoff very well. What I found most interesting about that incident was how one particular demographic did not show up to support Bundy, namely Bundy's fellow ranchers. He got a bunch of anti-government bikers to draw down on federal agents, apparently willing kill them to allow Bundy to freeload off taxpayer's land, while other ranchers paid their legal grazing fees and never made a peep in support of their neighbor. Why do you suppose that is?


I'm really not sure what you mean by wiping his ass with the Constitution.

Trump bypassed Congress to obtain funding when the people's representative said no. He did it by abusing a presidential responsibility (national emergency). Trump has ordered numerous people in his administration to ignore Congressional subpoenas. He has repeatedly attacked the integrity of the courts when he disagreed with their rulings. All this, and the people have stood by and done nothing.

Do you really think the American people with the support of LEOs are going to rise up in armed revolution to oppose Trump if he ignores the USSC and puts the citizenship question on the census? Ignoring the USSC is in my opinion is "wiping his ass with the Constitution" and I believe as things are, there is nothing that can or will be done about it. And, as I said, if he declares the 2020 election results null and void, there is nothing anyone can do about it. He has an AG, who, despite his oath to "support, protect, and defend the Constitution" will never hold Trump accountable for anything. If the Director of the FBI were to even raise an eyebrow, Trump would fire him immediately. And right now, he has enough spineless GOP senators who fear being primaried to survive any impeachment trial.

No, Trump has all the power he needs to do whatever he wants whenever he wants.
 
I find it a bit odd that the court would go against them on this. The reason there's a census is to find out how many citizens live in an area to make sure they get the proper representation. it would be important to know if the people there counting or actually citizens

Yea that pesky Constitution is always getting in the way. It says "people" are to be counted not citizens.
 
Yes, therein lies the problem, the Trump-held DOJ. There will be massive demonstrations, have no doubt about that, and they will be violent ones.

That almost sounds like a threat, not intentionally, I'm sure.

To the topic
I hope Trump reconsiders. Bad precedent. We have 3 branches for a reason.
 
Oh my bad. I didn't realize you were vehemently opposed to Trump using EOs. I have to check to read all your posts attacking him for them. And I look forward to posts from you as he completes his time in office and issues EOs, criticizing him.

There's hope for you yet.

So you are saying that when you opposed Obamas EO's is was because he was a black man. Good to know.
 
So you are saying that when you opposed Obamas EO's is was because he was a black man. Good to know.

No. What I'm saying is I opposed Obama's EOs. And I also oppose Trump's EOs, unlike his fan base. But you're different, because you will be expressing your absolute objection to every EO Trump will issue. You're telling me right here that you oppose Trump issuing EOs.
 
Does anyone have a history of EO issued to ignore Supreme Court decisions?

I'm serious, I'd like to know
 
No. What I'm saying is I opposed Obama's EOs. And I also oppose Trump's EOs, unlike his fan base. But you're different, because you will be expressing your absolute objection to every EO Trump will issue. You're telling me right here that you oppose Trump issuing EOs.

You opposed Obama on something??? Why? Because he was a black man?
 
You opposed Obama on something??? Why? Because he was a black man?

You can't tell if a claim is racist? Do you know what the word means? Why are you unable to recognize racism?
 
Does anyone have a history of EO issued to ignore Supreme Court decisions?

I'm serious, I'd like to know

The SC didnt issue an opinion that the question could not be added. It just didnt buy the adminstrations arguments for doing so, so it sent the issue back down to the lower courts. Can Trump do it by EO? Could he have just done it that way from the start? I dont know. NOr do I think we know the limits of the scope of EO's in general. But if they can be used to go around congress, why not the courts? The SC didnt say it was unconstitutional to put the question in there, so why would it be unconstitutional for Trump to do so?
 
You can't tell if a claim is racist? Do you know what the word means? Why are you unable to recognize racism?

Race baiting is your field of expertise here, not mine. And none of those moronic questions relate to my post in any way, so take your trolling elsewhere. Thanks.
 
Race baiting is your field of expertise here, not mine. And none of those moronic questions relate to my post in any way, so take your trolling elsewhere. Thanks.

Is there some kind of deficiency that causes you to be unable to recognize racism?
 
You opposed Obama on something??? Why? Because he was a black man?

I opposed Obama on a lot, which is why I didn't vote for him twice - which you know because you were posting with me from 2012 until he left office.

Good to know you oppose Trump's EOs though. I knew you wouldn't be a hypocrite and just oppose Obama's.
 
Does anyone have a history of EO issued to ignore Supreme Court decisions?

I'm serious, I'd like to know
I'm just going to add, ignoring the Supreme Court, to Trump's articles of impeachment.
 
LOL

A true Constitutional Crisis....

:eek:


:crazy3:

Should the President do something that contravenes with the SCOTUS ruling, that would be a Constitutional crisis. If Congress did not immediately impeach thereupon, we then have stepped beyond our Constitution into an Post-Constitutional America. We have have dictatorship, unless the military intervenes.

The glue of the American system is a respect for the rule of law. Once that respect is lost, so is America.
 
I thought Executive Orders were bad? EOs that ignore Congress and the courts?

Or was that only the case when the black man was President?

The black man couldn't get the Congress to agree that a week had seven days. There was a conspiracy of Republican obstruction that gave him no other way. Trump has the Senate, the supreme court and enough minions in the house to patronize him. You can't compare the two situations.

Besides, none of Obama's executive orders could be argued to arise from his personal bigotry. Trump does that **** all the time.
 
Should the President do something that contravenes with the SCOTUS ruling, that would be a Constitutional crisis. If Congress did not immediately impeach thereupon, we then have stepped beyond our Constitution into an Post-Constitutional America. We have have dictatorship, unless the military intervenes.

The glue of the American system is a respect for the rule of law. Once that respect is lost, so is America.

twump is a lawless mafia whore. His entire life has been spent conning and defrauding people.

Neal Katyal on Twitter: "Federal judge not buying Trump Admin shenanigans on census. Discovery into discriminatory intent will now take place. It's almost unheard of for the federal govt to get slapped down this fast, this decisively. But it's entirely deserved when Admin treats our judiciary this way… https://t.co/KsEO4fpqJF"
 
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