Ocasio-Cortez defiant in face of criticism for opposing border $$ bill while decrying conditions

JMR said:

No, several women in detention told the Congresswoman that this happened. Which is what she stated, and was corroborated by other government officials.

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This does not look corroborated at all:

"Congress members met a detained woman who told them that CBP agents suggested she drink from a toilet if she was thirsty, said New York’s Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Judy Chu, a Congresswoman from California:

Immigration activists explained that the woman might have been referring to a common immigration detention set up, where a water fountain is attached to the top of a toilet."

Border Patrol told detained woman to drink from toilets, Congress members say — Quartz

And that doesn't even get us into the language difference and how that can lead to misunderstandings...

Bodhisattva said:

This does not look corroborated at all:

"Congress members met a detained woman who told them that CBP agents suggested she drink from a toilet if she was thirsty, said New York’s Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Judy Chu, a Congresswoman from California:

Immigration activists explained that the woman might have been referring to a common immigration detention set up, where a water fountain is attached to the top of a toilet."

Border Patrol told detained woman to drink from toilets, Congress members say — Quartz

And that doesn't even get us into the language difference and how that can lead to misunderstandings...

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You keep moving the goal posts. You claimed AOC was lying, claiming to have heard an officer tell a woman to drink from a toilet. I disputed that, and said that a woman told AOC that had happened. That is what is corroborated. That she told AOC that. Whether or not the woman was confused is another matter. AOC reported what she was told, and others supported her.

JMR said:

You keep moving the goal posts. You claimed AOC was lying, claiming to have heard an officer tell a woman to drink from a toilet. I disputed that, and said that a woman told AOC that had happened. That is what is corroborated. That she told AOC that. Whether or not the woman was confused is another matter. AOC reported what she was told, and others supported her.

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AOC not only reported what she was told but she in fact insisted it happened. That is completely reckless for a sitting member of congress to do. Its OK to have the allegation investigated but its another to insist it happened before a proper investigation.

SLC said:

AOC not only reported what she was told but she in fact insisted it happened. That is completely reckless for a sitting member of congress to do. Its OK to have the allegation investigated but its another to insist it happened before a proper investigation.

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Why would it be reckless for her to insist it happened when the previous poster supplied photos of the toilet/fountain, and a description of them as filthy?

SLC said:

AOC not only reported what she was told but she in fact insisted it happened. That is completely reckless for a sitting member of congress to do. Its OK to have the allegation investigated but its another to insist it happened before a proper investigation.

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Why do you Congress should hide the fact that American Concentration Camps are used to incarcerate brown skinned children in filthy conditions?

I've noticed that many conservatives are dead set against keeping Jews in Concentration Camps, but defend keeping brown skinned people in them. Why is that?

From the conservative/libertarian Cato Institute:

Are CBP’s Filthy and Inhumane Immigrant Detention Camps Necessary?
...Infamously, the Department of Justice is defending these conditions by arguing that a “safe and sanitary” requirement does not require sleep, toothbrushes, or soap for children...

JMR said:

You keep moving the goal posts. You claimed AOC was lying, claiming to have heard an officer tell a woman to drink from a toilet. I disputed that, and said that a woman told AOC that had happened. That is what is corroborated. That she told AOC that. Whether or not the woman was confused is another matter. AOC reported what she was told, and others supported her.

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... no, I am claiming that AOC is manipulating things purposely for politically reasons...

JustHanging said:

Why do you Congress should hide the fact that American Concentration Camps are used to incarcerate brown skinned children in filthy conditions?

I've noticed that many conservatives are dead set against keeping Jews in Concentration Camps, but defend keeping brown skinned people in them. Why is that?

From the conservative/libertarian Cato Institute:

Are CBP’s Filthy and Inhumane Immigrant Detention Camps Necessary?
...Infamously, the Department of Justice is defending these conditions by arguing that a “safe and sanitary” requirement does not require sleep, toothbrushes, or soap for children...

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Your race baiting is pathetic and stupid...

The fact is, brown-skinned people, as opposed to the visa overstays that now comprise the majority of illegal alien arrivals, are being incarcerated in record numbers in filthy condition than before with the highest percentage of family separation ever that all could have been avoided without the $4.5B that the Dems caved-in to. Trump supporters then complain of racists being race-baited and that AOC is lying, hypocritical and reckless in her response that is documented fact in the face of Trump’s continuous vomit flow of documented lies, hypocrisy and racist, bellicose attacks of misogyny and xenophobia.

Trump supporters must understand that what is being done to the innocent at the border is being done by Trump and the Trumpicans (there are no longer any Republicans) to please them. That knowing migrant suffering must therefor leave the Trumpsters quite pleased and they need to take ownership of what they revel in.

On the downside, Trump merely stepped in front of a decades-long MAWA movement that cut right through spineless Democrats who are all we have left in politics to defend the American democracy that Trump, Putin and others wish to destroy in favor of an oligarchy ruled by, in Trumps case, a kleptocrat (narcissistocrat?).

Phys251 said:

Stopped reading right there. Try hard to understand how bad that comment of yours was. Try very hard.

Oh, and fix your grammar if you want to be taken seriously.

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Is a typical democrat, then, not the pathetic display Americans have to put up with day in and day out? Every day we have to hear about how Trump should be impeached for keeping his word and achieving record-breaking successes across the board? For enforcing immigration laws that he didn't write? They have been in place for a long time yet he's racist for following them.

Never before have we seen a party behave so childish and anti-american. They are aggressively advocating breaking the law without considering the welfare of LEGAL American citizens FIRST. How do you think that looks? How should we define a "typical" democrat?

Renae said:

No, you actually don't.

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Actually he does.

You have people pointing and laughing at your ... claims.

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Of course he does. Racists hate it when someone defends a person with brown skin. Particularly if it's a woman. They lose their **** over AOC on a weekly basis.

Bodhisattva said:

Your race baiting is pathetic and stupid...

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It only looks that way to some people. People who aren't racists, or aren't willing to support Trump's racism for political expediency, believe in standing up to racists and racism. Sorry if that upsets you.

In reality, your post has gone so far off the rails, it's actually accusing the right wing CATO institute of race baiting. Well done! :lamo


Why don't you actually address the issue: Concentration Camps are being used to incarcerate brown skinned people in terrible conditions. Why do so many Conservatives defend this?

Are CBP’s Filthy and Inhumane Immigrant Detention Camps Necessary? | Cato @ Liberty

Mods, sorry for posting link a second time, but in view of @Bodhisattva's personal attack, I thought it was important to let people know that this is right wing institute making the accusations.

the link provided in post 111 is information from the CATO Institute. Its views have a Libertarian lean.

The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch,[6] chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries.[nb 1] In July 1976, the name was changed to the Cato Institute.[6][7] Cato was established to have a focus on public advocacy, media exposure and societal influence.[8] According to the 2017 Global Go To Think Tank Index Report (Think Tanks and Civil Societies Program, University of Pennsylvania), Cato is number 15 in the "Top Think Tanks Worldwide" and number 10 in the "Top Think Tanks in the United States".[9]
The Cato Institute is libertarian in its political philosophy, and advocates a limited role for government in domestic and foreign affairs as well as a strong protection of civil rights. This includes support for the demilitarization of the police, lowering or abolishing most taxes, opposition to the Federal Reserve system, the privatization of numerous government agencies and programs including Social Security, the Affordable Care Act and the United States Postal Service, along with adhering to a non-interventionist foreign policy.

Cato Institute - Wikipedia

Congress and the President (past and present) are the blame for the crisis on the border.

American said:

Ocasio-Cortez defiant in face of criticism for opposing border $$ bill while decrying conditions | Fox News

See this is typical Democrat, look at the Tweets. If they sit with them in a cell and talk, then they are one of them. It's like always, symbolism over substance. She won't vote to help them, but will gladly do a photo-op at the border, and then sit on the concrete with them; followed by criticism of the people who are actually trying to help them. You don't have to join them in the cell to know they need food, and you certainly don't need to join them, to help the CBP personnel who are actually working for the American people.............and have been begging for support. I'll bet the dumb bitch still thinks it's a manufactured crisis. All she's done is piss off the CBP and make unsubstantiated allegations about them.

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Strangely, you didn't include her reasons for her vote. Did FOX News?

mike2810 said:

the link provided in post 111 is information from the CATO Institute. Its views have a Libertarian lean.

The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch,[6] chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries.[nb 1] In July 1976, the name was changed to the Cato Institute.[6][7] Cato was established to have a focus on public advocacy, media exposure and societal influence.[8] According to the 2017 Global Go To Think Tank Index Report (Think Tanks and Civil Societies Program, University of Pennsylvania), Cato is number 15 in the "Top Think Tanks Worldwide" and number 10 in the "Top Think Tanks in the United States".[9]
The Cato Institute is libertarian in its political philosophy, and advocates a limited role for government in domestic and foreign affairs as well as a strong protection of civil rights. This includes support for the demilitarization of the police, lowering or abolishing most taxes, opposition to the Federal Reserve system, the privatization of numerous government agencies and programs including Social Security, the Affordable Care Act and the United States Postal Service, along with adhering to a non-interventionist foreign policy.

Cato Institute - Wikipedia

Congress and the President (past and present) are the blame for the crisis on the border.

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Thanks.

According to Wikipedia, the Cato Institute is an associate member of The State Policy Network (SPN):

... is a web of right-wing “think tanks” and tax-exempt organizations in 49 states, Washington, D.C., Canada, and the United Kingdom. As of March 2019, SPN's membership totals 162. Today's SPN is the tip of the spear of far-right, nationally funded policy agenda in the states that undergirds extremists in the Republican Party.


As well, it was founded by Koch Brothers, and apparently they still contribute to the Cato Institute, so I think it's fair to call them right wing/Conservative as well as libertarian.

JustHanging said:

It only looks that way to some people. People who aren't racists, or aren't willing to support Trump's racism for political expediency, believe in standing up to racists and racism. Sorry if that upsets you.

In reality, your post has gone so far off the rails, it's actually accusing the right wing CATO institute of race baiting. Well done! :lamo


Why don't you actually address the issue: Concentration Camps are being used to incarcerate brown skinned people in terrible conditions. Why do so many Conservatives defend this?

Are CBP’s Filthy and Inhumane Immigrant Detention Camps Necessary? | Cato @ Liberty

Mods, sorry for posting link a second time, but in view of @Bodhisattva's personal attack, I thought it was important to let people know that this is right wing institute making the accusations.

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The USA does not use Concentration Camps. The mere thought that they do is ignorant drama filled tripe.

JustHanging said:

Actually he does.




Of course he does. Racists hate it when someone defends a person with brown skin. Particularly if it's a woman. They lose their **** over AOC on a weekly basis.

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Conservative people don't 'hate' or lose anything over AOC, and certainly not because of her 'skin'. Most laugh at her because she says stupid things.

Bodhisattva said:

The USA does not use Concentration Camps.

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You need to take that up with Encyclopedia Britannica:

Concentration camp
internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order.

Interment Center? Check.
Minority Groups? Check.
Confined for reasons of state security? Check.
(Optional) by Executive Decree? Check.

The mere thought that they do is ignorant drama filled tripe.

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Yeah, using the actual meaning of words! What "ignorant drama filled tripe!" :lamo

Look, I'm not sure if you're against what your country is doing, but if you are, you're going off the rails trying to attack the messengers. Now that hopefully even you can see that the USA is using Concentration Camps to incarcerate brown skinned people, why not attack the group that is supporting this?

Or does that group include you? Sorry, you haven't made it clear in any posts I've read, and denial is a typical response from Trump's base for his actions, such as when he publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK, saying some are "very fine people".

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Conservative people don't 'hate' or lose anything over AOC, and certainly not because of her 'skin'. Most laugh at her because she says stupid things.

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I never mentioned Conservatives. I said:

Racists hate it when someone defends a person with brown skin. Particularly if it's a woman. They lose their **** over AOC on a weekly basis.

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So in your opinion, the terms "racist" and "Conservative" are interchangeable? You're a conservative aren't you?

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Personally I think it's better to stand against racism, even it's going to cost Dems an election. All the people polled were white.

If the USA is so racist that politicians can't stand against incarcerating brown skinned people in Concentration Camps without proper food or hygiene, then blatant racists like Trump are going to be elected, no matter what the Dems do.

That will certainly be what the world,and history, will see the USA as representing during this time: Using Concentration Camps to incarcerate brown skinned people. I think Americans are better than that.

JustHanging said:

Personally I think it's better to stand against racism, even it's going to cost Dems an election.

If the USA is so racist that politicians can't stand against incarcerating brown skinned people in Concentration Camps without proper food or hygiene, then blatant racists like Trump are going to be elected.

That will be what the USA stands for.

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As you wish. This is a problem for Dems to solve.

JustHanging said:

You need to take that up with Encyclopedia Britannica:

Concentration camp
internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order.

Interment Center? Check.
Minority Groups? Check.
Confined for reasons of state security? Check.
(Optional) by Executive Decree? Check.

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Concentration Camps, post WWII, denote a specific thing. It is almost always about political prisoners, prisoners of war, ethnic groups or religious groups... not refugees. It also refers to cruel and unusual treatment:

Definition of concentration camp
: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard —used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners

Concentration Camp | Definition of Concentration Camp by Merriam-Webster

Even if you include refugees that refers to

A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group.

What is a Refugee? Definition and Meaning | USA for UNHCR

And the second part is the most important part, which you skipped over in your definition that I will get to in a second: has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership

I can't tell if you are lying with how you presented the definition or if you simply lack the requisite educational background

Concentration camp
internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order.

Interment Center? Check.
Minority Groups? Check.
Confined for reasons of state security? Check.
(Optional) by Executive Decree? Check.

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What you completely miss is this most important part: exploitation, or punishment

They are not being exploited for manual labor or for medical testing... they are being housed and fed. They are not being punished... and another thing that most people seem to miss is that the USA is not the only nation facing issues in how to handle this situation. England, France, Germany, Mexico, Australia, etc are as well. England refuses entry and actually has 15 foot tall barbed wire fences IN FRANCE to stop illegal immigrants from crossing the Channel through the Tunnel on lorries. The French have many homeless encampments of Africans living in make-shift camps where all these people do is try to steal and jump onto lorries right in front of cops and border control. The French don't do anything much other than kick them off the truck and wait to repeat the cycle. Mexico does almost nothing except to push the immigrants onto the USA so we can deal with the issue. But all these complainers instead just bash the USA and most likely because it is under Trump. It is ****ing pathetic how naive and hate filled these complainers are.

Yeah, using the actual meaning of words! What "ignorant drama filled tripe!" :lamo

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Yep, because you don't use the part of the definition that actually matters...

Look, I'm not sure if you're against what your country is doing, but if you are, you're going off the rails trying to attack the messengers. Now that hopefully even you can see that the USA is using Concentration Camps to incarcerate brown skinned people, why not attack the group that is supporting this?

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It is not "brown skinned people"... it is people. You are the one making this a race issue because you are the one that holds racist views.

Or does that group include you? Sorry, you haven't made it clear in any posts I've read, and denial is a typical response from Trump's base for his actions, such as when he publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK, saying some are "very fine people".

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Holy ****... no, he did not defend new-Nazi's. He condemned the Neo-Nazi's.

Trump - “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

JustHanging said:

That will certainly be what the world,and history, will see the USA as representing during this time: Using Concentration Camps to incarcerate brown skinned people.

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No they won't. Because by then people that already do not have perspective will have perspective since all of their fake tears will be dried and gone.

JustHanging said:

I never mentioned Conservatives. I said:


So in your opinion, the terms "racist" and "Conservative" are interchangeable? You're a conservative aren't you?

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I'm sure you think that was clever, but it wasn't.

Bodhisattva said:

Concentration Camps, post WWII, denote a specific thing.

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Seriously? I copied this from the the internet. Are you aware that the internet is "post WWII"?

Apparently not. SMH.

I can't tell if you are lying with how you presented the definition or if you simply lack the requisite educational background

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I'm not the one whose "educational background" apparently didn't inform them that the internet is "post WWII". :lamo

What you completely miss is this most important part: exploitation, or punishment

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Apparently your "educational background" also left you deficient in English comprehension.

Those are three different choices:

"who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment,"

Or:

who are confined for reasons of a) state security, b) exploitation, c) punishment.

That's why the immigrants are in the Concentration Camps: reasons of state security. That's according to Trump himself.

Holy ****... no, he did not defend new-Nazi's. He condemned the Neo-Nazi's.

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So you are defending Trump's public support of Neo Nazis and the KKK, by suggesting that he meant something other than what he said. Well, that certainly explains why you're also defending the use of Concentration Camps to incarcerate brown skinned people. Too bad for you so many national community and business leaders quit influential and prestigious presidential committees to protest what Trump said. They all understood exactly what Trump meant. Or did was it a giant conspiracy led by....the Lizard People!!!! :lamo