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Almost 300 migrant children removed from Texas facility described as 'appalling'

HumblePi said:
Well I think that child abuse is a pretty damned good reason to shake our fists in defiance of Trump's illegal and inhumane treatment of children. That was the plan, Jeff Sessions all but said so. The theory is that if you make people suffer under horrible conditions in detention and concentration camps that would change people's minds from coming to the US. Your chess playing needs some lessons.
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yeah Trump created this mess....stop and look at history....remember Dems promised border security after Ronald gave millions of illegals amnesty and American never got border security...remember?
 
gdgyva said:
so your thought is to fix the world....sorry, but not going to happen

and we already have a HUGE list of people waiting to emigrate here legally (my wife has relatives who have been waiting for 8 years)

there is only so much we can do.....fixing third world countries is so low on my priorities list, it is near the bottom

maybe once we get the homeless a place to live, and kids decent meals everyday, and our veterans the care they need and deserve
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It's not necessarily that I think we should fix the world, but rather that I know the only thing which will significantly impact the numbers of people who want to migrate is to change their homes so they'd rather stay.

So basically...we or someone else has to, or there will be more migrants we'll have to deal with.

One or the other.
 
pamak said:
verbiage?

You did not read the document, did you?

Because this bill does not provide adequate funding to meet the current crisis, and because it
contains partisan provisions designed to hamstring the Administration’s border enforcement
efforts, the Administration opposes its passage.
If H.R. 3401 were presented to the President in its current form, his advisors would recommend
that he veto it.

So I ask again:

Do you dispute the fact that this administration is threatening to veto a bill designed to provide emergency humanitarian assistance to the detained kids at the border?
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and I ask you why won't Dems make Trump veto it...seems simple to embarrass Trump as kids are dying to fight over money...doesn't it?
 
Trump said:
and I ask you why won't Dems make Trump veto it...seems simple to embarrass Trump as kids are dying to fight over money...doesn't it?
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You GOT the answer from different posters (including me) that the Senate can BLOCK any such attempt.
So, instead of asking questions which have been already answered, why do not you answer MY questions?

Do you object that this administration is threatening to veto a bill designed to offer humanitarian assistance because it does not provide funds related to TRump's immigration enforcement policies?
 
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nota bene said:
Sorry; Not that the United States has been entirely virtuous in all circumstances, but I'm not part of the Blame America First bunch.
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It's documented history in this case. Using the word "blame" isn't helpful but we should be accountable for foreign policy moves that create human misery and in the case of Central America, we're victim blaming instead, while talking about how we shouldn't "blame America first" at the same time. Incredulous.
 
Trump said:
and I ask you why won't Dems make Trump veto it...seems simple to embarrass Trump as kids are dying to fight over money...doesn't it?
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Talk to Trump's human shield, Mitch McConnell. He is the gatekeeper who will ultimately decide if it even gets a hearing much less an honest vote.
 
JustHanging said:
Actually, you're the one who "has no idea what the hell they're talking about."

Encyclopedia Britannica:

Concentration camp,

internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order.


1. Interment Centre? Check!
2. Minority Group? Check!
3. For State Security? Check!
4. (Optional) by Executive Decree? Check!


Why are so many Trump supporters determined to say Concentration Camps are bad if there are Jews incarcerated, but they are happy to see brown skinned people put into Concentration Camps?

They'll obfuscate, deny, excuse, whatever they can, to justify putting brown skinned people into these American Concentration Camps.

Why do you think so many do that? How did you refer to it before, that those brown skinned people were "diluting" American culture was the way you described it, correct?


Would it make it better if we started clarifying, and named them "Not as bad as the Nazi's Concentration Camps"? You could put that over the entrances, so everyone is clear that only a few babies have died in American Concentration Camps.
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Because nobody is shooting them in the head or gassing them to death!
Now you seem rather distressed that the USA would even entertain the idea of protecting it's own borders. "How Deplorable".
Perhaps you'd be happier elsewhere? I'm sure somewhere there's a nation who doesn't give a rat's ass about it's own borders...
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It's documented history in this case. Using the word "blame" isn't helpful but we should be accountable for foreign policy moves that create human misery and in the case of Central America, we're victim blaming instead, while talking about how we shouldn't "blame America first" at the same time. Incredulous.
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I don't think blaming anybody is productive right now.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
It is quite obvious the democrats in congress don't give a damn. Where is the emergency session approving billions to put all these people up in hotels for years as we await their day in court to see if they are eligible for asylum. Especially since they already refused asylum from Mexico.
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I guess you either haven’t read the thread or ignored where I said, in more than one place, with a link to house.gov, that the DEMOCRATS have introduced proposed legislation to provide additional funding to deal with this matter.
 
This is the Senate bill and it does not contain a poison pill like the House bill does so it has a decent chance passing.


Bloomberg - Are you a robot?


The Senate Appropriations Committee advanced $4.6 billion in emergency funds sought by the Trump administration to handle a surge in migration at the U.S. border with Mexico.

The bipartisan measure, approved on a 30-1 vote Wednesday, includes $793 million for Customs and Border Protection migrant care and processing facilities, $112 million for medical care and supplies such as clothing and hygiene products, and $300 million for U.S. marshals and the military services.

“Most importantly it does not include poison pills from either party,” said Senate Appropriations Chairman Richard Shelby, a Republican from Alabama.

Republicans and Democrats on the panel reached an agreement on the plan a day earlier. President Donald Trump requested the funds on May 1, and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said the Senate will vote on border funds by the end of next week.

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pamak said:
You GOT the answer from different posters (including me) that the Senate can BLOCK any such attempt.
So, instead of asking questions which have been already answered, why do not you answer MY questions?

Do you object that this administration is threatening to veto a bill designed to offer humanitarian assistance because it does not provide funds related to TRump's immigration enforcement policies?
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If the dems are trying to pass a bill that republicans find objectionable then of course Trump should veto it. Why is it that the House cant put together a bipartisan bill on this issue?
 
SLC said:
This is the Senate bill and it does not contain a poison pill like the House bill does so it has a decent chance passing.


Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
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Translation:

Here is the Senate trying to create a bill about the humanitarian crisis that includes what Trump wants regarding funds for immigration enforcement policies. It is obvious that the republicans use a humanitarian problem as a way to accomplish their political objectives regarding the funding of their immigration policies

from the same link

The bipartisan measure, approved on a 30-1 vote Wednesday, includes $793 million for Customs and Border Protection migrant care and processing facilities, $112 million for medical care and supplies such as clothing and hygiene products, and $300 million for U.S. marshals and the military services.
 
Trump said:
I care that Democrats keep encouraging families to make the dangerous trip. Stop the madness...the system is overloaded and all I hear from Dems is ...NO SOAP...NO SOAP...NO SOAP...like that's the problem...get a gripe people
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May I borrow yours?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It's documented history in this case. Using the word "blame" isn't helpful but we should be accountable for foreign policy moves that create human misery and in the case of Central America, we're victim blaming instead, while talking about how we shouldn't "blame America first" at the same time. Incredulous.
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The US isnt the one creating human misery in the world
 
pamak said:
Well, if the same piece of information comes from different sources from both sides of the political spectrum, the story is actually corroborated and it is a much stronger than you think.

But I will do the work for you and actually give you the primary source from the White House itself

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/saphr3401r_20190624.pdf



The EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET

STATEMENT OF ADMINISTRATION POLICY
H.R. 3401 - Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Humanitarian Assistance and
Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019

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The Administration strongly opposes H.R. 3401, the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations
for Humanitarian Assistance and Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019. After ignoring the
Administration’s request for desperately needed funding to address the humanitarian crisis at the
border for over a month, and despite the efforts of the House minority, the House majority has
put forward a partisan bill that underfunds necessary accounts and seeks to take advantage of the
current crisis by inserting policy provisions that would make our country less safe.
The Administration is disappointed that neither the House nor Senate bills include necessary
funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention.

Do you buy it now?
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IOW, the trump administration is willing to let the detainees continue to live in squalid conditions and block funding to alleviate those conditions. :thumbdown

And that’s the Democrats’ fault?!? :roll:
 
j-mac said:
Then they should clean up their governments....why are the conditions of their countries our problem?

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No reason to treat the migrants inhumanely or deny them some basic dignity. No excuses
 
Fletch said:
The US isnt the one creating human misery in the world
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The US often does, and even where it is not directly or indirectly responsible, it has the power to intervene or to alleviate.

There is no moral standpoint from where someone who calls themselves a good person can complain their tax dollars should not be spent on a little soap for migrant children apprehended at the border and separated from their families after they've undergone months of hardship to flee poverty and conflict.

All the complaints and finger pointing about how they got there are irrelevant. They're here now, and they must be dealt with humanely. There is a social, religious and moral obligation to do so, and no reasonable moral grounds to refuse.
 
nota bene said:
I don't think blaming anybody is productive right now.
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Neither do I however holding ourselves accountable isn't the same thing as blaming, it's taking responsibility.
Blame is an excuse. Taking responsibility is holding ourselves accountable, and without that, you have "inaccountability" which is irresponsible.

I cannot find any sort of justification for continuing to support irresponsibility.
 
Fletch said:
If the dems are trying to pass a bill that republicans find objectionable then of course Trump should veto it. Why is it that the House cant put together a bipartisan bill on this issue?
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Then, you verify the claim that the republicans are not simply focused on passing a humanitarian assistance belief as the Democrats in the House try to do.
 
pamak said:
Translation:

Here is the Senate trying to create a bill about the humanitarian crisis that includes what Trump wants regarding funds for immigration enforcement policies. It is obvious that the republicans use a humanitarian problem as a way to accomplish their political objectives regarding the funding of their immigration policies

from the same link

The bipartisan measure, approved on a 30-1 vote Wednesday, includes $793 million for Customs and Border Protection migrant care and processing facilities, $112 million for medical care and supplies such as clothing and hygiene products, and $300 million for U.S. marshals and the military services.
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Translation it has the OK of a BIPARTISON panel. ;)
 
Trump said:
yeah Trump created this mess....stop and look at history....remember Dems promised border security after Ronald gave millions of illegals amnesty and American never got border security...remember?
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Now don't go bring up embarrassing facts.
 
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