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Almost 300 migrant children removed from Texas facility described as 'appalling'

Buzz62 said:
Concentration camps? You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
I'm not surprised.
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Actually, you're the one who "has no idea what the hell they're talking about."

Encyclopedia Britannica:

Concentration camp,

internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order.


1. Interment Centre? Check!
2. Minority Group? Check!
3. For State Security? Check!
4. (Optional) by Executive Decree? Check!


Why are so many Trump supporters determined to say Concentration Camps are bad if there are Jews incarcerated, but they are happy to see brown skinned people put into Concentration Camps?

They'll obfuscate, deny, excuse, whatever they can, to justify putting brown skinned people into these American Concentration Camps.

Why do you think so many do that? How did you refer to it before, that those brown skinned people were "diluting" American culture was the way you described it, correct?


Would it make it better if we started clarifying, and named them "Not as bad as the Nazi's Concentration Camps"? You could put that over the entrances, so everyone is clear that only a few babies have died in American Concentration Camps.
 
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ludin said:
There are multiple issues to this.

1. These kids have no parents or their parents cannot be found now that they have been released into the US and no one wants them.
i still say send them back to their home country and let them figure it out.
2. The system itself is flooded. CBP has a standard that full capacity is 4k. they are at 15k.
3. congress refuses to do anything to help by supplying more money or doing anything that would solve this problem.

these kids suffer at the hands of politics with democrats leading the charge.
this whole mess is obama's doing. we didn't have these caravans before him. not only did he not do anything
to stop it he encouraged it.
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I think you're oversimplifying. A decade ago most of those trying to cross were prime-of-life men and primarily Mexican. Circumstances in other countries have changed.

And beyond the point of learning from previous mistakes and misjudgments made by the previous Obama and Bush Administrations, the blame-game is counterproductive. We need to stop worrying about who's at fault and focus on stepping up and ending this humanitarian crisis.
 
nota bene said:
My dream as a teenager with a sweetheart in San Salvador was to return when I'd completed my degrees to work at a university there, but I have no hope at all that in my lifetime El Salvador or Guatemala will be safe or stable. My father's college roommate was a Salvadoreño, and he moved his family to Guatemala in the late '70's for their safety...only for his daughter #2's groom and new father-in-law to be assassinated in their fields. I despaired long ago.

How do you suggest that the United States "move ahead"? What plans on working together do you suggest? And to what extent do you think the peoples of these countries want to work with the United States?
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In 1948 the Marshall Plan was created to infuse Europe with US money to rebuild their devastated countries. The reason was to stop communism but also so those refugees wouldn't swamp our immigration system in the US. Money talks and it's multilingual. Central American governments will be very willing to listen when the US begins wielding a big stick, with a carrot at the end of the stick. Mexico has to be a partner with the US in any negotiations of course. I'll source an article in USA Today from over a year ago. It's common sense that if the living standards in countries like Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala are vastly improved and people living there feel safe from gangs and extortion that they would prefer to remain in their own countries rather than risk losing their children or death from cartels making a dangerous journey.

US, Mexico cooperate in plans to reduce Central American migration

Here's the key takeaway from the article:

"Both countries recognize the strong links between economic growth in southern Mexico and successfully promoting prosperity, good government and security in Central America,"
 
HumblePi said:
Yes, I most surely do know 'what the hell' I'm talking about. And yes, a place where 300 children are being held captive, to sleep on concrete floors, denied medical attention, and denied clean water to bathe and a toothbrush and toothpaste, IS A CONCENTRATION CAMP!

Yes, concentration camps is the absolutely correct terminology for the Clint, Texas detainment center. Every person alive, when they hear the term "Concentration camp", immediately and automatically thinks of the images of the Nazi 'concentration camps' where millions of Jews were imprisoned and met their deaths. But the term 'concentration camp' is one that predates both Hitler and Communism. The Nazi concentration camps are more accurately described as Death Camps.

The Holocaust Museum defines the Nazi camps:

"The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy."

So, now you know.
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The term concentration camp is used by tweenkies and assorted lipstick queens, in order to shame those who are simply trying to control the Libbie made immigration crisis on the southern border. Its a sickening effort to liken the German concentration camps with the detention centers which are over run by people who have heard the Libbie cry for anyone.
 
j-mac said:
"Held captive"? We have laws, we have borders...The language here is pure bull ****!

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YES, CAPTIVES!

cap·tive
/ˈkaptiv/

adjective
adjective: captive

1.
imprisoned or confined.

synonyms: confined, caged, incarcerated, locked up, penned up; chained, shackled, fettered, ensnared;
restrained, under restraint, restricted, secure;
jailed, imprisoned, in prison, interned, detained, in captivity, under lock and key, behind bars, in bondage
 
HumblePi said:
In 1948 the Marshall Plan was created to infuse Europe with US money to rebuild their devastated countries. The reason was to stop communism but also so those refugees wouldn't swamp our immigration system in the US. Money talks and it's multilingual. Central American governments will be very willing to listen when the US begins wielding a big stick, with a carrot at the end of the stick. Mexico has to be a partner with the US in any negotiations of course. I'll source an article in USA Today from over a year ago. It's common sense that if the living standards in countries like Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala are vastly improved and people living there feel safe from gangs and extortion that they would prefer to remain in their own countries rather than risk losing their children or death from cartels making a dangerous journey.

US, Mexico cooperate in plans to reduce Central American migration

Here's the key takeaway from the article:

"Both countries recognize the strong links between economic growth in southern Mexico and successfully promoting prosperity, good government and security in Central America,"
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Until there is a robust middle class in Guatemala and El Salvador, there is no hope. Do you know what happened to the first privately owned dairy in Central America and the first insurance company? I do: They were taken away (from the same entrepreneur, my dad's roommate's father) by the government. I don't know the date, but it would have been sometime in the late '40's.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Answer the question. Are you or are you not bothered that small children (in OUR care) are sitting in their own waste, in filthy and unsanitary conditions without adequate food and soap?
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It is quite obvious the democrats in congress don't give a damn. Where is the emergency session approving billions to put all these people up in hotels for years as we await their day in court to see if they are eligible for asylum. Especially since they already refused asylum from Mexico.
 
uptower said:
They're coming because conditions are appalling in their own countries. If they had safety and prosperity they'd stay. They don't need the Dems or any other external party to 'encourage' them.
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and thats American Citizens problem because?

ever see the movie Team America? "the only thing that stands between order and chaos is us"...irony

YouTube
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
It is quite obvious the democrats in congress don't give a damn. Where is the emergency session approving billions to put all these people up in hotels for years as we await their day in court to see if they are eligible for asylum. Especially since they already refused asylum from Mexico.
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Congress has already allocated plenty of money to DHS to run smoothly to the tune of 47 Billion in 2019. With over 20 Billion going towards ICE and BP, don't you want to know why they are getting so much money but providing shoddy service back?

We don't need billions more, we need to check the for-profit detention centers that are taking all this money and not providing children with the care they deserve.
 
nota bene said:
Until there is a robust middle class in Guatemala and El Salvador, there is no hope. Do you know what happened to the first privately owned dairy in Central America and the first insurance company? I do: They were taken away (from the same entrepreneur, my dad's roommate's father) by the government. I don't know the date, but it would have been sometime in the late '40's.
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The governments in Central America have historically been corrupt and some with the help of the US government. American foreign policy in the region caused the instability and inequality at the root of the current crisis. There was the CIA’s covert operation to overthrow Guatemala’s democratically elected president in 1954. And America’s intervention in El Salvador’s civil war in the 1980s. And the Obama administration’s refusal in 2009 to label the ouster of Honduras’ president a military coup – even though soldiers dragged him out of bed in the middle of the night and sent him into exile in his pajamas! Our own decades-long history of intervention has left Central American governments weak and fragile while it empowered oligarchs and drug cartels, which has, in turn, fueled the corruption and gang violence that drives these immigrants to flee. We, the US, helped create the monster that now threatens us.
 
uptower said:
Sarcasm meaning they went without a bath on the road so they can do without now?

A more conscientious approach would be to say it's even more reason to let them have the dignity of properly washing now.
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i just can’t believe it’s come to this, arguing over soap...you want we should powder their bottoms too. Rhetorical, I already know your awnser.

Maybe some manny pedi’s :mrgreen:
 
HumblePi said:
Thousands of American children are not being held in concentration camps.
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Now you’re gettin’ it, I knew you’d come around, these are processing facility’s of which they walked into freely.
 
Thingfish said:
Now you’re gettin’ it, I knew you’d come around, these are processing facility’s of which they walked into freely.
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He made a typo. He meant to say "now," not "not."

Thingfish said:
i just can’t believe it’s come to this, arguing over soap...you want we should powder their bottoms too. Rhetorical, I already know your awnser.

Maybe some manny pedi’s :mrgreen:
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Considering all the allegations of sexual assault in the tRump concentration camps, your comment was poorly worded, to say the least.
 
HumblePi said:
Oh trust me, I'm in no way a Trump fan. My comment was about the bill presented to Congress yesterday, the one they failed to agree on.
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They’re not going to either.

Trump is using these kids as hostages in his war to get his stupid wall (although he hasn’t bellowed that obvious strategy yet).

He’s playing to white resentment, which is what he sees as his one ace. The card he will always default to playing.

Because these kids are “the other”, and thus dirty, drug dealers and criminals and MS-13, or whatever else the AM right wing talk radio says they are, they don’t deserve the right wing talk radio audience’s sympathy.

Thus, you have DHS officials in public arguing with a straight face that soap, water, and a bed are not necessary, to the cheers of the Limbaugh loonies, and the horror and condemnation of the whole world (and yes, this story is being reported around the world)

Makes the Land of the Free look like a real champion of human rights!!!
 
JustHanging said:
So now it's ok to keep children in substandard conditions?

Why does "Never Again" only apply to Jews, and not to Brown Skinned people?
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Did I say that? No....I have been consistent that these kids need to be cared for if in our custody....If not then moving them to where they can is appropriate....This isn't a racial issue, which is why I said the language from you leftist is bull ****.

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HumblePi said:
YES, CAPTIVES!

cap·tive
/ˈkaptiv/

adjective
adjective: captive

1.
imprisoned or confined.

synonyms:confined, caged, incarcerated, locked up, penned up; chained, shackled, fettered, ensnared;
restrained, under restraint, restricted, secure;
jailed, imprisoned, in prison, interned, detained, in captivity, under lock and key, behind bars, in bondage
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SMH....We don't have open borders....

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Some of those who are tacitly defending the conditions at these “shelters” have asked what the critics are doing to help. Well, some people have tried:

People want to donate diapers and toys to children at Border Patrol facilities in Texas. They’re being turned away.

A Border Patrol official told a state lawmaker that the agency doesn't accept donations for facilities where children are reportedly being held in substandard conditions.

On Sunday, Austin Savage and five of his friends huddled into an SUV and went to an El Paso Target, loading up on diapers, wipes, soaps and toys.

About $340 later, the group headed to a Border Patrol facility holding migrant children in nearby Clint with the goal of donating their goods. Savage said he and his friends had read an article from The New York Times detailing chaos, sickness and filth in the overcrowded facility, and they wanted to help.

But when they arrived, they found that the lobby was closed. The few Border Patrol agents — Savage said there were between eight and 10 of them — moving in and out of a parking facility ignored them.

For a while, the group stood there dumbfounded about what to do next. Ultimately, they decided to pack up and head home. Savage said he wasn’t completely surprised by the rejection; before he left, the group spotted a discarded plastic bag near the lobby door holding toothpaste and soap that had a note attached to it: “I heard y’all need soap + toothpaste for kids.”

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A slew of other sympathetic people, advocacy groups and lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle have expressed a desire to lend a hand to the kids housed in the facilities. But after purchasing items like toys, soap, toothbrushes, diapers and medicine — especially as news reports circulate of facilities having drinking water that tastes like bleach and sick children without enough clothing — they’ve been met with a common message: No donations are being accepted.


Border Patrol turning away diaper and toy donations | The Texas Tribune

Tell me, trump supporters, how are caring citizens supposed to help when the federal government won’t let them?
 
Birdzeye said:
Some of those who are tacitly defending the conditions at these “shelters” have asked what the critics are doing to help. Well, some people have tried:

People want to donate diapers and toys to children at Border Patrol facilities in Texas. They’re being turned away.

A Border Patrol official told a state lawmaker that the agency doesn't accept donations for facilities where children are reportedly being held in substandard conditions.

On Sunday, Austin Savage and five of his friends huddled into an SUV and went to an El Paso Target, loading up on diapers, wipes, soaps and toys.

About $340 later, the group headed to a Border Patrol facility holding migrant children in nearby Clint with the goal of donating their goods. Savage said he and his friends had read an article from The New York Times detailing chaos, sickness and filth in the overcrowded facility, and they wanted to help.

But when they arrived, they found that the lobby was closed. The few Border Patrol agents — Savage said there were between eight and 10 of them — moving in and out of a parking facility ignored them.

For a while, the group stood there dumbfounded about what to do next. Ultimately, they decided to pack up and head home. Savage said he wasn’t completely surprised by the rejection; before he left, the group spotted a discarded plastic bag near the lobby door holding toothpaste and soap that had a note attached to it: “I heard y’all need soap + toothpaste for kids.”

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A slew of other sympathetic people, advocacy groups and lawmakers on both sides of the political aisle have expressed a desire to lend a hand to the kids housed in the facilities. But after purchasing items like toys, soap, toothbrushes, diapers and medicine — especially as news reports circulate of facilities having drinking water that tastes like bleach and sick children without enough clothing — they’ve been met with a common message: No donations are being accepted.


Border Patrol turning away diaper and toy donations | The Texas Tribune

Tell me, trump supporters, how are caring citizens supposed to help when the federal government won’t let them?
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Conservatives....they are all for personal responsibility and charity and volunteering...until they aren't....
 
j-mac said:
"Held captive"? We have laws, we have borders...The language here is pure bull ****!

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j-mac said:
SMH....We don't have open borders....

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My comment addressed your disbelief of the word "captive" as though you disagreed with the term. No, we do not have open borders and these children did not walk through any border, they accompanied parents who presented themselves at a border crossing for asylum as they should have. Their children were taken into a horrific situation and were there TEMPORARILY waiting to be reunified with their parents, it is a reunification center, not an DHS detention.
 
j-mac said:
"Held captive"? We have laws, we have borders...The language here is pure bull ****!

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j-mac said:
SMH....We don't have open borders....

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My comment addressed your disbelief of the word "captive" as though you disagreed with the term. No, we do not have open borders and these children did not walk through any border, they accompanied parents who presented themselves at a border crossing for asylum as they should have. Their children were taken into a horrific situation and were there TEMPORARILY waiting to be reunified with their parents, it is a reunification center, not a DHS detention.

Border Protection chief resigns as migrant children moved back to troubled Texas facility - Los Angeles Times

But Tuesday, a Customs and Border Protection official confirmed that 127 of the migrant children transferred from the Clint station were subsequently moved back.

When asked why the children had been returned, the official said it was "because the numbers have been reduced,” and the Health and Human Services Department’s Office of Refugee Resettlement “was able to take a number of them."

There was no word on whether additional improvements had been made to the facility in response to the reported conditions
 
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americanwoman said:
If you do all that why waste money on a wall? The BP could handle things better if we cut the incentives.
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I don’t believe anybody has ever been seriously interested in solving the illegal immigration, ever, not now, not 10 years ago, not 20 years ago. Too many people like having this source of cheap labor by people who will do jobs that most Americans, even the poorest amongst us, shun. And politicians find illegal immigration a great issue to run on. Trump is exploiting the issue to the hilt. Why quietly and dispassionately try to deport people who shouldn’t be here when you can exploit the issue and stir up your base by injecting as much drama and theatrics into it?
 
SLC said:
When unaccompanied minors or minors accompanied by DNA documented non relatives enter the country illegally what would you have the Border Patrol do? Its congress fault for not supplying enough funds to properly supply these facilities for the numbers of illegals that are crossing our border. Border Patrol has asked for more funds to upgrade the facilities and properly supply them. Wake up people the DEMOCRATS are using the bad conditions that THEY ARE CREATING to try to score political points. People on this site that support Congress' behavior are complicit.
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As I’ve already pointed out, it’s the DEMOCRATS who have introduced proposed legislation for emergency funding to deal with this.
 
Birdzeye said:
As I’ve already pointed out, it’s the DEMOCRATS who have introduced proposed legislation for emergency funding to deal with this.
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and your point? where is it?
 
SLC said:
Congress hasn't funded the Border Patrol for the level of illegals they are housing.
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And, as I’ve already pointed out to deaf ears, there’s a DEMOCRAT sponsored Bill before the House to provide the needed funding. Link to house.gov previously provided.
 
Birdzeye said:
And, as I’ve already pointed out to deaf ears, there’s a DEMOCRAT sponsored Bill before the House to provide the needed funding. Link to house.gov previously provided.
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and it's not been voted on...WHY?
 
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