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Almost 300 migrant children removed from Texas facility described as 'appalling'

Do you understand that the border patrol is over whelmed with illegal aliens. They detained about 144,000 in May. The system at the border is broken.
There is no more room.............. They are doing the best they can! WHY won't the democrats in the house take the necessary step to relieved this?
Because they hate Trump and think this is hurting him so they let the kids suffer.

I just went to Congress.gov to see what, if anything, Congress may be doing to provide funds to deal with this situation.

Well, guess what. The DEMOCRATS have introduced a bill, HR 3401, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Humanitarian Assistance and Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019, to deal with this. We’ll see if there’s any GOP support or if McConnell will let the Senate consider it, should the bill pass the House.

H.R.3401 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Humanitarian Assistance and Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
 
True but the fall guy is McAleenan.

From what I've read they both leaked info but McAleenan did because he was against the raids.

It's funny though how Trump's supporters are totally ignoring that he did any of the leaking. If anyone else had done what he did they would be calling them treasonous and saying they obstructed justice. Oh wait, they already did when the Oakland mayor warned of the raids. :lol:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...police-raids.html?highlight=oakland+mayor+ICE

They repeat whatever Trump bellows, without thought or consideration.

They have to do that, because they can’t defend Trump’s lies and conduct any other way.
 
I just went to Congress.gov to see what, if anything, Congress may be doing to provide funds to deal with this situation.

Well, guess what. The DEMOCRATS have introduced a bill, HR 3401, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Humanitarian Assistance and Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019, to deal with this. We’ll see if there’s any GOP support or if McConnell will let the Senate consider it, should the bill pass the House.

H.R.3401 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Humanitarian Assistance and Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
We will see if the Dems have enough Dem votes to pass their own bill. I bet they don't. They will probably require Republican help. I'm OK with that as long as BP gets the money they need.
 
Whoa.

Now that is some creative thinking wrapped around extreme bias, and filtered through a partisan blender built by the Delusional Corporation.

All the evidence points towards Liberal Progressive powers fueling the movement of people, and the encouragement of their invasion of the United States.

Complimenting that effort is the action of the leadership and other members in the New Democratic Party who effectively push for open borders, and promote sanctuary cities, etc..

And in light of those in concrete facts, people still post fantasies like that above.

What concrete facts?

You offered no concrete facts. Just a bunch of false statements and a reference to some fictional organization called the New Democratic Party.

Meanwhile, the humanitarian crisis that Trump has created on the border is news all around the world, even as DHS tries its best to hide where the refugees are being kept from reporters and hide even basic information (and Fox works hard to keep it off the TV screen).
 
lol....no one "jacked" with the font. THat's called a link. :roll:

Post #180. Pick your fights better Clam. It's getting too predictable.

Try being rational and agreeable. It's makes the conversation so much more meaningful.
 
We were able to handle it, because our process was to release them with a promise to appear in court, which well over 90% never did. IE, we did nothing but let them stroll on in.

In that respect, nothing has changed. Indeed, Trump has made it an international embarrassment to the United States by making it for worse for no other purpose than to play to the parochial fears of his audience, and to the bigots in his base.

That’s all Trump cares about. Pandering to white resentment. And he does not care about the human costs at all. Nor does much of his base, if this tread is any indication.
 
What concrete facts?

You offered no concrete facts. Just a bunch of false statements and a reference to some fictional organization called the New Democratic Party.

Meanwhile, the humanitarian crisis that Trump has created on the border is news all around the world, even as DHS tries its best to hide where the refugees are being kept from reporters and hide even basic information (and Fox works hard to keep it off the TV screen).

If I wrote the sky is typically blue, would you demand I prove it?

Do you deny anything that I wrote? Is that where you're coming from?

The US government has a responsibility to protect the people they are housing during processing. Keeping them from being exploited by the press is likely one of those missions.

All this could be avoided if the left had any interest in doing so. As it is, they are proving willing to do anything to get some votes, including creating an environment where children are being dragged across deserts with unknown adults.
 
It's sad that you place no blame on the parents.

You never whined like this when it was happening under Obama.................. team player.

You're argument is ridiculous. Of course I blame the parents, when it's their fault. In some cases, the parents crossed the border with their kids looking for asylum and we took their kids and separated them into facilities with horrible conditions. I don't blame those parents. If a parent sent their 8 year old across the border unaccompanied, then yes, I blame them. But it does not matter how the kid crossed the border or how much the parents are to blame. We have taken custody of these kids and regardless of all other information, poor decisions by others etc. we have to give them basic care. A warm place to sleep, warm food, a shower etc. If their parents made bad choices, that doesn't mean we are magically allowed to treat the kids like ****.

If my brother passed away through no fault of his own and I took custody of his kid it would be my responsibility to care for him and give him the necessities. If my brother turned into a **** head drug user and dropped my nephew off at my doorstep and I didn't ask for it, that doesn't allow me to set up a tent in the back yard, keep him in dirty clothes and no access to a shower etc. Either way I should treat the child like a human and not some animal. Period. I can blame my brother all I want, but that doesn't mean I'm allowed to neglect my nephew.
 
CBS gotta be true...right?:lamo

Oh, I thought it was mainly CNN that you stamped with your clever ":lamo" emoticon. So, CBS is on your :lamo list also? Who else? MSNBC, BBC, ALjazeera, C-Span, The Atlantic, National Review, Forbes, NYT, Washington Post, Bloomberg, NPR, Slate, Vox, PBS.... I could go on and on but the point is, there's no other website or any article from any other mainstream news source that you wouldn't apply your usual stand-by :lamo emoticon to. Who's left? Oh yeah, Fox, the one and only network you listen to or believe, the state-run news service. :lamo <----- mine
 
We were able to handle it, because our process was to release them with a promise to appear in court, which well over 90% never did. IE, we did nothing but let them stroll on in.

Really - 90%? Got anything to back that up?

Trump's Bogus 'Catch and Release' Statistic - FactCheck.org

“Overall, DHS repatriated 65 percent of aliens encountered in 2014, with the majority (80 percent) of these repatriations occurring as expedited removals or reinstatements of previous removal orders,” according to the DHS report, which tracked the enforcement outcomes over time for people trying to cross the Southwest border legally and illegally in 2014.


But we found no evidence to support Trump’s claim that only 2 percent of those released return for court hearings, and no one from the administration provided us with any evidence, either.

We contacted the Department of Homeland Security, which referred us to the White House. Hogan Gidley, the White House deputy press secretary, promised to respond “in a minute,” but never did.

However, two administration officials testified about the subject before Congress, and both officials put the figure for no-shows at around 50 percent — not 2 percent.

At an Aug. 16, 2018, hearing, Republican Sen. James Lankford of Oklahoma, questioned James McHenry, director of the Justice Department’s Executive Office for Immigration Review, specifically about unaccompanied children who are released and then fail to show up at immigration hearings.

“I’m trying to figure out how many that we actually know are showing up to hearings or are still engaged in the process,” Lankford said. “Do you have a number on that at all?”

“The closest estimate we have is the in absentia rate, the number who receive an order of removal for not showing up at the hearing,” McHenry replied. (In absentia is Latin for “in the absence.”)

McHenry said “a little over 50 percent” of cases involving unaccompanied children crossing the Southwest border are decided in absentia. A chart on the website of the Executive Office of Immigration Review, which McHenry heads, shows the in absentia rate in fiscal year 2018 for unaccompanied alien children, or UACs, was 50 percent.

Similarly, Matthew T. Albence, executive associate director for Enforcement and Removal Operations at the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, told senators at a Sept. 18, 2018, hearing that 53 percent of cases involving “family units encountered at the Southwest border in FY 2014” were decided in absentia.

One immigration expert told us Trump’s 2 percent figure is “highly unlikely.”
 
I am talking about the $400 million that was appropriated earlier this year.

But you’re obviously buying the Trumpster spin. Making a refugee crisis worse, and then trying to blame Democrats for the crisis you created.

Oh trust me, I'm in no way a Trump fan. My comment was about the bill presented to Congress yesterday, the one they failed to agree on.
 
Oh horse ****!
I certainly don't think you're stupid enough to think there aren't thousands and thousands of American children in exactly the same predicament.
All you're interested in, is the anti-Trump optics. If you could manage to keep this going to 2020, you would.

Thousands of American children are not being held in concentration camps.
 
I’m sure these kids bathed every day on the 1,100 mile journey.

That’s irrelevant to how they are treated here. When we detain people, we take on responsibility for their care. Convicted criminals get showers, soap, and other personal hygiene items. They don’t have to wear filthy clothes unless they want to.

I can’t get over the callousness of those who dismiss the disgusting conditions in OUR detention centers by insinuating that those conditions are ok because they were bad before.

And there’s a bill now in the House - introduced by a Democrat - for supplemental emergency appropriations to cover for the care of these people.
 
Thousands of American children are not being held in concentration camps.

Concentration camps? You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
I'm not surprised.
 
It is a DRUG that Trump manufactures. He could call it Trump's Tincture of Libtard Tears and sell it by the bottle and they'd buy it. They'd buy so many that the manufacturer (in China) would sell out.

And it would likely be contaminated with carcinogens, just like the Valsartan blood pressure medication made in China.
 
Show us a quote from the White House that verifies that this is a true statement. The EMERGENCY bill is in the hands of Nancy Pelosi you know the woman that controls the purse strings. Why not pass the bill and see if Trump will sign it. I betting he will.

House Democrats press ahead on border bill, setting up tense negotiation over migrantsHouse
Democrats press ahead on border bill, setting up tense negotiation over migrants

House Democrats Unveil $4.5 Billion Emergency Border Funding BillHouse Democrats Unveil $4.5 Billion Emergency Border Funding Bill

Congress scrambles to agree on emergency border bill as White House, liberal Dems clashCongress scrambles to agree on emergency border bill as White House, liberal Dems clash

Trump has been infamous for taking funds approved by Congress then using those funds for something entirely different, not what they were voted to be appropriated for. That's exactly what he'd trying to do again.

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The House measure provides $2.9 billion for refugee and migrant care and assistance by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), another $1.3 billion for care provided by DHS agencies, and $60 million to reimburse local governments and nonprofits that help shelter migrants.


But the White House says it would veto the bill in the current state, claiming it underfunds certain requests and includes toxic policy provisions."


Trump will ONLY sign the bill if he can give the greatest portion of that money to ICE to begin rounding up illegals in sanctuary cities.

In case you haven't noticed, it's the DEMOCRATS that are pushing hard to get this money appropriated so we don't see more of the unacceptable conditions for children seen in Clint, Texas. Republicans don't give a **** about illegal children no matter what age they are, no matter how harsh the conditions that they're being kept in are, even if these children are being sexually abused ---- republicans don't give a ****.
 
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They are voluntarily putting themselves in the situation. No one forced them to come here.

The problem is Democrats refuse any compromise.

For the umpteenth time: THAT IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE SQUALID CONDITIONS IN THOSE DETENTION CENTERS!!!!!

And it’s the Democrats who have introduced an emergency appropriations bill in the House for funding to deal with the situation. Let’s see if it gets any GOP support, and, if passed, if Senator McConnell will allow the Senate to consider it.

H.R.3401 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Humanitarian Assistance and Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
 
Concentration camps? You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
I'm not surprised.

Yes, I most surely do know 'what the hell' I'm talking about. And yes, a place where 300 children are being held captive, to sleep on concrete floors, denied medical attention, and denied clean water to bathe and a toothbrush and toothpaste, IS A CONCENTRATION CAMP!

Yes, concentration camps is the absolutely correct terminology for the Clint, Texas detainment center. Every person alive, when they hear the term "Concentration camp", immediately and automatically thinks of the images of the Nazi 'concentration camps' where millions of Jews were imprisoned and met their deaths. But the term 'concentration camp' is one that predates both Hitler and Communism. The Nazi concentration camps are more accurately described as Death Camps.

The Holocaust Museum defines the Nazi camps:

"The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy."


So, now you know.
 
I care that Democrats keep encouraging families to make the dangerous trip. Stop the madness...the system is overloaded and all I hear from Dems is ...NO SOAP...NO SOAP...NO SOAP...like that's the problem...get a gripe people

They're coming because conditions are appalling in their own countries. If they had safety and prosperity they'd stay. They don't need the Dems or any other external party to 'encourage' them.
 
I’m sure these kids bathed every day on the 1,100 mile journey.

Sarcasm meaning they went without a bath on the road so they can do without now?

A more conscientious approach would be to say it's even more reason to let them have the dignity of properly washing now.
 
The conditions in Central American are far worse than Mexico These children are used. Many are re-sold to rich white men who pose with them for photos but sexually assault, abuse and use them before they reach anywhere near the border. He says he travels freely over the McAllen Texas border, to do shopping, etc. He said if he walks over, no problem. He has papers. He said if he goes in a car with say - three others - the border guards wave them through as long as they get a glance at the papers of the two in the front seat, or at least one of them. He says the same thing as others have said. The massive amounts of immigrants coming illegally only began coming in droves because Trump threatened to build a wall, that was the motivation to do it quickly. The surge of illegals arriving at legal border crossings increased substantially since the first threats of a border wall.

He concurs that the answers lie within the problems presented by corrupt Central American governments. There's corruption unlike anything even Mexico has ever seen, which is saying a lot. He believes that until the governments of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala can become a place where people do not want to leave, they will continue to escape in vast numbers. Having stable jobs, health care and a guarantee of personal safety from mafia is the only way they will stop fleeing. The problem is, the US hasn't moved ahead with plans on how we're going to work with the governments of these countries to begin that process.

My dream as a teenager with a sweetheart in San Salvador was to return when I'd completed my degrees to work at a university there, but I have no hope at all that in my lifetime El Salvador or Guatemala will be safe or stable. My father's college roommate was a Salvadoreño, and he moved his family to Guatemala in the late '70's for their safety...only for his daughter #2's groom and new father-in-law to be assassinated in their fields. I despaired long ago.

How do you suggest that the United States "move ahead"? What plans on working together do you suggest? And to what extent do you think the peoples of these countries want to work with the United States?
 
Yes, I most surely do know 'what the hell' I'm talking about. And yes, a place where 300 children are being held captive, to sleep on concrete floors, denied medical attention, and denied clean water to bathe and a toothbrush and toothpaste, IS A CONCENTRATION CAMP!

Yes, concentration camps is the absolutely correct terminology for the Clint, Texas detainment center. Every person alive, when they hear the term "Concentration camp", immediately and automatically thinks of the images of the Nazi 'concentration camps' where millions of Jews were imprisoned and met their deaths. But the term 'concentration camp' is one that predates both Hitler and Communism. The Nazi concentration camps are more accurately described as Death Camps.

The Holocaust Museum defines the Nazi camps:

"The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy."


So, now you know.
"Held captive"? We have laws, we have borders...The language here is pure bull ****!

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They're coming because conditions are appalling in their own countries. If they had safety and prosperity they'd stay. They don't need the Dems or any other external party to 'encourage' them.
Then they should clean up their governments....why are the conditions of their countries our problem?

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"Held captive"? We have laws, we have borders...The language here is pure bull ****!

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So now it's ok to keep children in substandard conditions?

Why does "Never Again" only apply to Jews, and not to Brown Skinned people?
 
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