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Almost 300 migrant children removed from Texas facility described as 'appalling'

TomFitz said:
At this point, neither Trump, nor his “deplorable” have any moral ground to stand on.

Trump created this refugee crisis, with his belligerent threats and his open bigotry.

His base cheered right along.

Trump separated thousands of children from their parents, and now lies about that, trying to pretend that he inherited it.

Meanwhile, a bunch of defense constractors and private prison companies are getting rich off of it.

And in DC, Trump Administration staffers argue that soap, water and a bed to sleep on are luxuries that the rufugees are not entitled to.

And the talk radio right cheers and averts it eyes on the rare occcasion when a reporter manages to sneak some images of what is going on into newspaper or on TV.

Just like the “good Germans” who averted their eyes at the boxcars going “east” and pretended the rumors of what was going on “don’t have anything to do with me”, or aren’t happening.

We’re seeing that exact same rhetoric from Trumpsters right here on this thread.

This is human rights catastrophe, one that was easily avoided.

And a clear betrayal of everything the United States claims to stand for.

A point which I hope world leaders make right to Donald Trump’s face in front of TV cameras at the G-20.
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Whoa.

Now that is some creative thinking wrapped around extreme bias, and filtered through a partisan blender built by the Delusional Corporation.

All the evidence points towards Liberal Progressive powers fueling the movement of people, and the encouragement of their invasion of the United States.

Complimenting that effort is the action of the leadership and other members in the New Democratic Party who effectively push for open borders, and promote sanctuary cities, etc..

And in light of those in concrete facts, people still post fantasies like that above.
 
There are some truly rotten people posting in this thread.
 
ocean515 said:
Whoa.

Now that is some creative thinking wrapped around extreme bias, and filtered through a partisan blender built by the Delusional Corporation.

All the evidence points towards Liberal Progressive powers fueling the movement of people, and the encouragement of their invasion of the United States.

Complimenting that effort is the action of the leadership and other members in the New Democratic Party who effectively push for open borders, and promote sanctuary cities, etc..

And in light of those in concrete facts, people still post fantasies like that above.
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Trumps administration is fueling this crisis. He's helping these private prisons get rich. Just as politicians, primarily the GOP turn a blind eye while accepting cash from meat packing industry lobbyists to bus in illegal labor from across the border to work in the industrial slaughter houses. Trump tells his base what they want to hear while he's catering to his administrations business interests.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Trumps administration is fueling this crisis. He's helping these private prisons get rich. Just as politicians, primarily the GOP turn a blind eye while accepting cash from meat packing industry lobbyists to bus in illegal labor from across the border to work in the industrial slaughter houses. Trump tells his base what they want to hear while he's catering to his administrations business interests.
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I keep seeing this claim from liberals, but I can't see a single bit of REAL evidence to support it.

Your argument is no different than hundreds I've seen from other liberals.

The facts completely refute the claim.

It's not Republican's or the current President who is encouraging this invasion. It's not Republican's or the current President who is creating and supporting Sanctuary Cities and States, and offering free healthcare, education, etc..

I could go on, but I know I'm talking to a wall.

You have to come up with some argument that is more rational and fact based if you expect your claims to carry any weight.
 
ocean515;1070248166[B said:
]I keep seeing this claim from liberals, but I can't see a single bit of REAL evidence to support it.[/B]

Your argument is no different than hundreds I've seen from other liberals.

The facts completely refute the claim.

It's not Republican's or the current President who is encouraging this invasion. It's not Republican's or the current President who is creating and supporting Sanctuary Cities and States, and offering free healthcare, education, etc..

I could go on, but I know I'm talking to a wall.

You have to come up with some argument that is more rational and fact based if you expect your claims to carry any weight.
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For Private Prisons, Detaining Immigrants Is Big Business - The New York Times $800 Million in Taxpayer Money Went to Private Prisons Where Migrants Work for Pennies Trump’s Immigrant-Detention Plans Benefit Private Prison Operators - WSJ What Do Big Banks Have To Do With Family Detention? #FamiliesBelongTogether Explains How the American Meat Industry Exploits Undocumented Laborers
 
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

If you're going to jack with font sizes, etc., I'll just move on. I'm not into the liberal antics things the triggered live by.
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BS, I've presented you with evidence of what the true motivations are for this current crisis and why. Read.
 
Trump said:
because Obama signed executive order...and a judge said Trump couldn't over ride it
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Bull****. Show me the Obama EO mandating the separation of families.

Here is the law mandating how detained children are to be treated at border facilities:

Reno v. Flores - Wikipedia

Scroll down to the section titled "Terms of the Agreement."

Now, show me that EO, if you can. Here's what I found:

Donald Trump, again, falsely says Obama had family separation policy | PolitiFact

Trump again falsely says Obama started family separation policy

More Family Separation Spin - FactCheck.org

This separation policy is all Trump's. Your guy is lying to you, as usual, but instead of looking things up for yourself, you choose to believe his bull****. Pathetic, IMO.
 
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HenryChinaski said:
Almost 300 migrant children removed from Texas facility described as 'appalling' This is sad and is a serious black eye on us as a so called “civilized and compassionate” nation.
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I suspect the "civilized, compassionate nation" part has always been a lie.

Ask Slaves from 1620 through 1863

Ask Natives from 1800 through 1900

Ask Chinese from 1860 through 1960

Ask the Japanese who were Nuked in 1945

...just how compassionate the USA was/is/can never be.
 
HenryChinaski said:
BS, I've presented you with evidence of what the true motivations are for this current crisis and why. Read.
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While I appreciate your opinion, as I've written, the hard evidence does not support it.

Doesn't matter what font or other antics you want to deploy to attempt to get around them.
 
ocean515 said:
While I appreciate your opinion, as I've written, the hard evidence does not support it.

Doesn't matter what font or other antics you want to deploy to attempt to get around them.
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Really? Are these private prisons/Contractors not making millions detaining/housing these people? because the evidence is clearly in front of you. It's all about generating revenue for a multi-billion dollar industry that supports our elected officials. Nothing more, nothing less. But you'll refuse to acknowledge that as it conflicts with your ideological beliefs and the picture that you've painted in your head of what you think the Trump administration is.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Really? Are these private prisons/Contractors not making millions detaining/housing these people? because the evidence is clearly in front of you. It's all about generating revenue for a multi-billion dollar industry that supports our elected officials. Nothing more, nothing less. But you'll refuse to acknowledge that as it conflicts with your ideological beliefs and the picture that you've painted in your head of what you think the Trump administration is.
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Sure they are. I wouldn't dispute that. And the New Democratic Party leadership is doing everything in their power to put even more millions in their pockets.


Hell, I've put big money in my pockets with these facilities, as up until recently, I was providing electrical equipment to them from a company I own.

But it's not the President, or Republicans who are providing the product to fill them with. It's the NDP and their followers.


Try to deny they have endorsed and supported Sanctuary Cities. Try to deny they haven't stood in the way of actions to deal with the invasion.

That's what I mean about your opinion not holding any weight against the cold hard facts.
 
Idiometer said:
Bull****. Show me the Obama EO mandating the separation of families.

Here is the law mandating how detained children are to be treated at border facilities:

Reno v. Flores - Wikipedia

Scroll down to the section titled "Terms of the Agreement."

Now, show me that EO, if you can. Here's what I found:

Donald Trump, again, falsely says Obama had family separation policy | PolitiFact

Trump again falsely says Obama started family separation policy

More Family Separation Spin - FactCheck.org

This separation policy is all Trump's. Your guy is lying to you, as usual, but instead of looking things up for yourself, you choose to believe his bull****. Pathetic, IMO.
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nothing to do with separations ....keep up:lol:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, if that facility can handle 30 occupants then what should be done with the other 270?
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I’d say that ORR is supposed to figure that out, and they’re not doing a good job, now, are they?
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

If you're going to jack with font sizes, etc., I'll just move on. I'm not into the liberal antics things the triggered live by.
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lol....no one "jacked" with the font. THat's called a link. :roll:
 
TomFitz said:
I am talking about the $400 million that was appropriated earlier this year.

But you’re obviously buying the Trumpster spin. Making a refugee crisis worse, and then trying to blame Democrats for the crisis you created.
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That money has already been spent. The BP has been begging Congress for help.
 
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Idiometer said:
"The children have been taken to a tent detention camp also in El Paso ..."

Great. I'm sure a tent camp will be soooo much better.

How can it even be possible that the United States of America, the greatest country ever, is responsible for this horrific treatment of human beings? I know I'm getting old, but I grew up believing that we were the good guys on this planet.
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If the tent has AC and the kids are sleeping on mattresses, and getting basic hygiene + getting their clothes laundered, then that would be an improvement.
 
Birdzeye said:
I’d say that ORR is supposed to figure that out, and they’re not doing a good job, now, are they?
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They are doing the job (and then some) for which they are funded and staffed. Once the "no vacancy" sign gets lit then things tend to get messy when the next busload of guests arrives.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Do you understand that the border patrol is over whelmed with illegal aliens. They detained about 144,000 in May. The system at the border is broken.
There is no more room.............. They are doing the best they can! WHY won't the democrats in the house take the necessary step to relieved this?
Because they hate Trump and think this is hurting him so they let the kids suffer.
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Trump tapped other funds to build his precious wall (which I doubt will halt the influx), and it appears the courts haven’t stopped him. So why doesn’t he do it again to deal with this?

Meanwhile, the Dems in the House have passed multiple bills, but McConnell is sitting on them, not letting the Senate even consider them.

As for the legislation you propose, what are the chances that it would get bipartisan support, and would McConnell let the Senate consider it?
 
americanwoman said:
This has been going on for decades. If you look at the border rates from the late 90's early 00's border crossings were at an all time high and we were somehow able to handle it and with more compassion.

It's only the current administration that seems to buckle under the pressure and can't handle how to operate the BP. No head of DHS and more and more contracts to for profit detention centers. Go figure.
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We were able to handle it, because our process was to release them with a promise to appear in court, which well over 90% never did. IE, we did nothing but let them stroll on in.
 
Trump said:
nothing to do with separations ....keep up:lol:
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Keep up with what?

Where is the EO you claim Obama signed mandating separation of families? Did you even bother to look at the three sites debunking that claim? That was just three ... there are many more articles calling out Trump's blatant lie on separation being Obama's policy. Research for yourself, or remain deliberately ignorant and fact-free.

Put up or shut up: link to Obama's EO or admit that you were merely repeating another of Trump's many false narratives.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Well, what are you waiting for then?
There have been homeless here in the US as long as there has been a border. Don't lecture me on what should be done, when both parties step over their own in the streets on their way to line the pockets of others.
Notwithstanding that issue, letting these children suffer as some act of cruelty does not feed and house the US homeless and it sure doesn't look good on the country.
It is almost like you think the "bestest country in the whole wide world of anything" can't feed and house the homeless AND not be total assholes to a bunch of kids who crossed the border.
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:lamo
Libbies...:roll:

I'm assuming you've actually heard of 'Sanctuary Cities'? Those ****holes are no creation of Republicans, I'm afraid.
That fine work is the product of Progressives...who are far-left Democrats...who have a mastered ability of professing 'morality' while actually ****ting on the gawd-damn sidewalk. Morons who spend all their time professing love and peace, while they beat the hell outta anyone who crosses them. Yes the Progressives...dullards who's political policies would devastate the entire global economy.

I think the "bestest country in the whole wide world of anything" is Canada. I also think that most Democrats are complete hypocrites who let their hatred of Trump, force them to advocate for dumb-ass crap that they will never advocate for...once they regain power.
 
Birdzeye said:
If the tent has AC and the kids are sleeping on mattresses, and getting basic hygiene + getting their clothes laundered, then that would be an improvement.
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Our own military frequently live in tents or soft sided structures.
 
Birdzeye said:
If the tent has AC and the kids are sleeping on mattresses, and getting basic hygiene + getting their clothes laundered, then that would be an improvement.
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Just heard that 100 of those children were just moved back to the hell hole they were in.

The cleanliness of the facility is not the only issue here. At issue is the Trump administration separating these families in the first place, flying in the face of the law.

National Center for Youth Law | Flores v. Reno - National Center for Youth Law

The heart of the issue is that the U.S. is traumatizing innocent children, and Trump's supporters think that's just fine and dandy. I may be getting old, but I was raised to believe that we were the good guys on this planet. Good people don't do this, period.
 
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