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Blunt blades, GPS trackers and longer school hours: The hunt for an answer to Britain's knife-crime

Tanngrisnir said:
What's not sunk in here is that you cannot demonstrate that any statistics are 'lying' here, but it's fun to watch you try and make that somehow, magically, relevant.

Japanese suicide rates?

What about Volvo transmissions?

Mustard, perhaps?
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There are major differences between won't and can't. Volvo's C60 a lovely vehicle when not in the shop. Just like a Rover. Buy a Subaru if you want dependability. I'll stick with my 2011 Caddy. So far just oil changes and a gas filter replacement. The backseat smells like Dog. I won't let him ride in the front passenger seat.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4884900/

Since the publication date of this citation, the suicide ratio for older men in Japan has increased beyond 1998 levels. For younger Japanese also much greater. But you know more.
 
Lursa said:
So ineffectively targeting guns is more important than stopping killings?

IMO it's ridiculous to ignore a failure because then you never get to the root of a problem.

We should observe and learn. It's obvious other factors cause killing...societal ones, personal ones...not implements.
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They have effectively stopped people from using guns to kill.
 
PoS said:
Knife-crime crisis -- Britain scrambles for solutions - CNN



So much for the British way of solving problems by banning things. They ban guns, so people turn to knives to kill each other now.
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Why do you people make these complete idiotic "arguments"? I quote "arguments" becuase you don't really make an argument. It's completely moronic and shows you have no actual argument.

Wow, why have any rules, since people are going to break it anyway? And most people much like their chances against a knife than a gun. Most stabbing sprees only result in injuries, while gun sprees end up with many, many dead.
 
OldFatGuy said:
I can accomplish more devastating damage to a human being with my Irish blackthorn walking stick than I can with a blade. I normally carry three throwing knives sheathed on my left arm, a kabar folding knife in my right back pocket, and a stiletto strapped in a sheath on my left leg, the right leg reserved for my holstered Beretta. I used to carry a .44 in a shoulder holster, but I prefer to do without the weight as I've aged. Lifetime habits.
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Seriously? What hell Hoel do you live in?
 
OldFatGuy said:
There are major differences between won't and can't. Volvo's C60 a lovely vehicle when not in the shop. Just like a Rover. Buy a Subaru if you want dependability. I'll stick with my 2011 Caddy. So far just oil changes and a gas filter replacement. The backseat smells like Dog. I won't let him ride in the front passenger seat.

Educational Levels and Risk of Suicide in Japan: The Japan Public Health Center Study (JPHC) Cohort I

Since the publication date of this citation, the suicide ratio for older men in Japan has increased beyond 1998 levels. For younger Japanese also much greater. But you know more.
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Sorry you couldn't add anything relevant to the topic.
 
OldFatGuy said:
I can accomplish more devastating damage to a human being with my Irish blackthorn walking stick than I can with a blade. I normally carry three throwing knives sheathed on my left arm, a kabar folding knife in my right back pocket, and a stiletto strapped in a sheath on my left leg, the right leg reserved for my holstered Beretta. I used to carry a .44 in a shoulder holster, but I prefer to do without the weight as I've aged. Lifetime habits.
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That's why I always carry an assault bicycle pump.
 
SCrider said:
Seriously? What hell Hoel do you live in?
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The United States. A lifetime in the military, NYPD and private security created some habits, family training for preparedness, the balance. An Army medic once asked how I got away with carrying so much unauthorized ordinance as he tried to patch me up. I was unconscious before I could answer. He did a good job, I made it alive to a Navy hospital ship.

I showed up with two tomahawks in my belt for one NYPD assignment. The command sergeant just rolled his eyes. I didn't get to use them that day, but the fellows were detailed to pickup demanded I be kept away from them. I think it was the grin on my face and something I said about taking scalps. Those boys behaved themselves.

I can't throw those things with much accuracy anymore, so they kind of hang on the edge of my entertainment system wall unit. The uncle who gave them to me, a real expert with tomahawks and other weapons out of the usual. He died at 81, in his bed. He and my father the only of his 13 brothers to die peaceably, one is still alive, at 88, the baby of the family. The four of the five sisters all gone, one hanging on by a thread. I always thought the women were tougher, and scarier.
 
PoS said:
Knife-crime crisis -- Britain scrambles for solutions - CNN



So much for the British way of solving problems by banning things. They ban guns, so people turn to knives to kill each other now.
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Yup. The left have a technical point that if we banned guns there would be less gun violence. But, not overall violence. London has a higher murder rate than NYC does. Banning guns wouldn't decrease violence or murders, it just changes the weapon of choice. The real problem is, we have people wandering the streets who should not be wandering the streets in the first place. Does it really make a difference if they commit violent acts with a knife or with a gun? Meanwhile, honest law abiding Americans would take the brunt of gun control legislation while violence rolls merrily along.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Why do you people make these complete idiotic "arguments"? I quote "arguments" becuase you don't really make an argument. It's completely moronic and shows you have no actual argument.

Wow, why have any rules, since people are going to break it anyway? And most people much like their chances against a knife than a gun. Most stabbing sprees only result in injuries, while gun sprees end up with many, many dead.
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This is more of a rant than an actual rebuttal. To quote a pretentious Brit- is English your first language?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
I don't suggest assaulting anyone with helium.

Try some jam instead.
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During the Balkan wars, the Serbs would take a prisoner, tie him down, insert a balloon in his rectum and then inflate it with helium. A very slow, painful death that left no evidence when the balloon was extracted. Other prisoners would then be very responsive to questioning. This was discussed during the war criminal tribunals.

You know more.
 
SCrider said:
They have effectively stopped people from using guns to kill.
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If the killings continue...does that matter? Does it even mean guns were the issue?

I'm oversimplifying a bit, but I dont like ineffective solutions or masking real problems. And to me, focusing on guns to stop violence seems to not be a solution, from this article and current trends in the UK.
 
Trump said:
slippery slope that is
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Not at all. Can you say with a straight face that you wouldn't call the cops if you saw a guy walking around a mall with a big ass sword?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
So, as you admit, they solved any gun violence problem. Thanks for saying that.
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They replaced it with a knife violence problem, because they stripped their citizens of their right to defend themselves.
 
apdst said:
They replaced it with a knife violence problem, because they stripped their citizens of their right to defend themselves.
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So, as you openly admit, they addressed any gun issues they have.

Thanks for coming clean about that.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
So, as you openly admit, they addressed any gun issues they have.

Thanks for coming clean about that.
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Look, I know you're trying to spin this into a positiven but it ain't workin. :lamo
 
Lursa said:
Is there a problem with guns if there are no killings?
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You think a world without homicide is a realistic goal?

If not, then it definitely makes sense to try for things we can actual achieve.
ymmv
 
Simon W. Moon said:
You think a world without homicide is a realistic goal?

If not, then it definitely makes sense to try for things we can actual achieve.
ymmv
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No. But my question was: if guns are being used in killings...is there some other problem with them?
 
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