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Biden maintains lead over 2020 contenders as Warren passes Sanders: poll

PIPEWRENCH said:
The person to beat Trump would be a younger candidate who has visions for the future of our country. The lost vote out their is the 18 to 40 year old. They want to know where America is headed not all this hate. We need a president that will get behind projects that will take us 20, 40, even 60 years down the road. To be honest I don't think we have a single candidate that has plans for America going forward more than a year. That is the problem with old leaders most are looking back at what was instead what will be. I don't want to make America great again I want to make it better than it has ever been. I personally don't see all these old farts taking us anywhere but down the drain.
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I simply can't give you enough compliments on the bolded. Way to go, buddy! :thumbs:
 
I think a Biden/Warren ticket would be strong.

Biden has a connection with working people. Warren is smart and has many good ideas. Both are real populists, as opposed to the phony populist in the WH.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (Washington Times) Biden maintains lead over 2020 contenders as Warren passes Sanders: poll

What caught my eye here was not Biden's lead, but rather Warren moving past Sanders into 2nd place! This - in my opinion - was wholly unexpected, very much surprising me. And it's been reflected in three recent polls this week, including this one.

But this does seem to perhaps set-up a nice ticket, in my opinion. While I was hoping for Harris as VP, I think Warren would perhaps be an even better veep in terms of the Dems election performance. Obviously I'm basing this ticket upon Biden prevailing, though there's no guarantee of that. In my opinion (again), Biden looks a bit lackluster, equivocal, and prevaricating.
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As I said before, I don't think Biden will be the Democratic nominee. Even if he is, having a VP from the same region, northeast as Warren would be doesn't give the ticket regional balance. Delaware and Massachusetts are locks for whomever the Democrats nominate. Why not someone from a swing state as VP? At least a different region of the country.

I would say with Biden, his VP should be someone much younger. Warren is 69, Biden 76, talk about an old foggie ticket. Although I like Joe, always have. I'd rather see a fresh young face win the nomination instead of Joe or Warren, Sanders also. I'm not a democrat so my druthers mean nothing. I'd like to point out some history, tired old political faces from the northeast haven done so good for the democrats. Dukakis Massachusetts, Johns Kerry, Massachusetts, Hillary Clinton New York. Young faces from other regions have, Jimmy Carter Georgia, Bill Clinton Arkansas, Obama Illinois.

JFK is the last Democrat from the northeast to win, 1960. Back then the northeast was liberal Rockefeller Republican country and JFK was a fresh young face. Just something to think about.
 
Crovax said:
Having a plan doesn’t mean intelligence, a stupid plan is still stupid
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The gop having zero plans on any important issue is the height of stupidity, and that’s how they won in 2016 and lost in 2018.

Campaign Manager Parscale isn’t trying to win over swing voters who actually vote. He’s going after the 94 million voters who didn’t vote at all, while also dividing Demwits who are easily divided.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
To be honest Trump, Warren, Bernie, and Biden need to be picking out a nursing home not leading our country.
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Well there's certainly no JFK in that group! But as we're living far longer and healthier these days, I think Warren might be sneaking-in while in her sixties. Not optimal, but reasonable enough I suppose.
 
Perotista said:
As I said before, I don't think Biden will be the Democratic nominee. Even if he is, having a VP from the same region, northeast as Warren would be doesn't give the ticket regional balance. Delaware and Massachusetts are locks for whomever the Democrats nominate. Why not someone from a swing state as VP? At least a different region of the country.

I would say with Biden, his VP should be someone much younger. Warren is 69, Biden 76, talk about an old foggie ticket. Although I like Joe, always have. I'd rather see a fresh young face win the nomination instead of Joe or Warren, Sanders also. I'm not a democrat so my druthers mean nothing. I'd like to point out some history, tired old political faces from the northeast haven done so good for the democrats. Dukakis Massachusetts, Johns Kerry, Massachusetts, Hillary Clinton New York. Young faces from other regions have, Jimmy Carter Georgia, Bill Clinton Arkansas, Obama Illinois.

JFK is the last Democrat from the northeast to win, 1960. Back then the northeast was liberal Rockefeller Republican country and JFK was a fresh young face. Just something to think about.
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How does a Bullock/Duckworth ticket sound to you?
 
MTAtech said:
I think a Biden/Warren ticket would be strong.

Biden has a connection with working people. Warren is smart and has many good ideas. Both are real populists, as opposed to the phony populist in the WH.
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TBH I'd rather have Warren in the Senate where she actually has power as opposed to being an ornament for Joe "I have no empathy for Millenials; no really" Biden.

I hope to god he is not our nominee so we don't end up with a battle between two geriatric retards who revel in mediocrity that would surely make us the laughing stock of the world; again.
 
washunut said:
Rachel Maddow will make mincemeat of Biden in the debate. Like most frontrunners he has little to no chance to taking the primary. Party machinery that gave Clinton the nomination will not be able to produce their choice in 2020.
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Don't underestimate that Democrat party machine. It controls the money. It controls the super delegates. Whoever THEY decide should get the nomination will get the nomination. And don't make any bets that they don't prefer Biden to anybody else running. The only reason they won't choose him is if they decide somebody else will both be more competitive against President Trump AND obedient to the goals, self-serving purposes, and orders of the DNC.
 
haymarket said:
I suspect Booker knows that only a Hail Mary thrown eighty yards to the end zone will win it for him. So this is his version.

I really do not know what Biden would be willing to do for Booker who is already a US Senator with a promising future ahead of him. I also think that Biden has his eye on Harris for his VP and that would leave Booker where he is. But time will tell.
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Yeah, originally I liked the Biden-Harris ticket best. But now I'm wondering if Warren might make a better veep. I wanted Biden-Warren in 2016, and have no doubt they would've kicked Trump's butt.
 
Crovax said:
Having a plan doesn’t mean intelligence, a stupid plan is still stupid
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Well we may disagree with the ins and outs of a plan, which is where the meat of the discussion should be. However I will say that having no plan at all is even more stupid. trump had no idea how govt works, or what he wanted to do with it and has either deferred to the GOP establishment and their plans or lurched chaotically from one [often self-inflicted] crisis to the next.

Aw for Biden, he's milquetoast and too centrist for the times. But anyone's better than Trump because they can all at least do the job, while he spends all his time f***ing around on twitter like a snotty teenager. I still think by the end of the year he'll have lost momentum, but till someone pulls ahead, good for him.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Don't underestimate that Democrat party machine. It controls the money. It controls the super delegates. Whoever THEY decide should get the nomination will get the nomination. And don't make any bets that they don't prefer Biden to anybody else running. The only reason they won't choose him is if they decide somebody else will both be more competitive against President Trump AND obedient to the goals, self-serving purposes, and orders of the DNC.
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There's a lot of truth to that.
 
haymarket said:
I think you have a point about age - but I do not think it will surface as the big enough issue to decide things. I for one am supporting O'Rourke and also am eager to see Mayor Pete do well, but in the end, if it is Biden or Warren or Sanders, I will vote for them if they can beat Trump.
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Beto's a wimp. He is the exact reason people won't vote for Democrats. They genuinely believe that in liberal land, you can live on failures. That's Beto's existence. Being a loser who has overcome nothing, yet still feels he should decided what all of us do. He is the epitome of liberal academista becoming a somebody by doing nothing of note other than complain about right wing politics.

We need someone who has actually gotten victories and is well regarded for their efforts by local conservatives. We aren't going to win with guys like Beto because nobody thinks guys like him deserve to be where they are.



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AlbqOwl said:
Despite all his waffling, wavering, ambiguity, flip flops, and pretty much no confidence that he really believes in anything all that much, Biden scares me the least of all those running who have any chance at all. I would rather have a march in place and I don't really care kind of guy over the radical agenda so many others are promoting. So ultimately, on the chance that President Trump stumbles, I hope he is the Democrat nominee.
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I can see that, because I'm wavering on Biden a bit now too.

While I see Biden doing well in the more moderate & Midwestern states, which are very important, I'm now developing strong concerns of him have the charisma and policy to excite the growing Dem progressive base. I'm thinking Dems might be better to do as Trump does, which is focus on the base. Biden can't do that in the way the more progressive and younger candidates can.
 
Hatuey said:
Beto's a wimp. He is the exact reason people won't vote for Democrats. They genuinely believe that in liberal land, you can live on failures. That's Beto's existence. Being a loser who has overcome nothing, yet still feels he should decided what all of us do. He is the epitome of liberal academista becoming a somebody by doing nothing of note other than complain about right wing politics.

We need someone who has actually gotten victories and is well regarded for their efforts by local conservatives. We aren't going to win with guys like Beto because nobody thinks guys like him deserve to be where they are.



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Beyond that, he has an alarmingly ambiguous platform (something he is only surpassed in by Buttgieg) and victories (or not in this case) aside, has really little to his name in the way of political accomplishment (also like Buttgieg).
 
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Chomsky said:
I can see that, because I'm wavering on Biden a bit now too.

While I see Biden doing well in the more moderate & Midwestern states, which are very important, I'm now developing strong concerns of him have the charisma and policy to excite the growing Dem progressive base. I'm thinking Dems might be better to do as Trump does, which is focus on the base. Biden can't do that in the way the more progressive and younger candidates can.
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I think what you may be overlooking though is that the base is far more aligned with somebody like Biden than they are comfortable with the radical extremists.

It really doesn't matter much because only those receiving the endorsement of the DNC will prevail. Biden has a leg up there I think.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I think what you may be overlooking though is that the base is far more aligned with somebody like Biden than they are comfortable with the radical extremists.

It really doesn't matter much because only those receiving the endorsement of the DNC will prevail. Biden has a leg up there I think.
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You forgot to mention that the RNC prevented anyone from running against #45.
 
trixare4kids said:
I'm shocked that you wouldn't mind if Warren becomes the veep of Biden. She is far from being a libertarian such as yourself. How do you reconcile this politically?

I would not mind if Biden gets the Dem's nomination, but a progressive like Warren on the ticket nips my backing of Biden as the Dem. candidate right in the bud. My early endorsement of Biden doesn't mean I will support him, btw. It means of all the candidates, he makes more sense than the entire lot of them.
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Unfortunately I had to use "Libertarian-Left" as my closest available lean here, rather than what would be my more accurate lean of "Social Democrat".

I even lobbied DP Admin to get it changed: DP

That's not to say I'm not reasonable conservative in my private personal life (I am), but that's totally separate from my public politics.
 
I think Biden could have easily beat Trump in 2016, but that times have changed and we should be able to do better than the same old faces.

The reasons he could have won if he had been the front runner:

1. He has a lot of pull in the rust belt with the unions, etc.

2. He's a man, a lot of rust belt voters are manly men who want a manly man boss man and not a woman. See point 1.

3. Independents who were turned off by Clinton wouldn't have minded him so much. They only chose Trump because they couldn't stand her, especially after her security scandals.

Trump's base though, they'd have stayed with Trump no matter what - that's how he won the nomination. Biden is not very inspiring, but could have done better with those in the middle looking for a safe bet or those who stayed home because they wouldn't touch Clinton.
 
Chomsky said:
I don't see any Dems paying attention this at all, beside their seeing it as a Trump/GOP/Right-Wing smear. If you think the Dems care about what Trump or the GOP think, you're kidding yourself.
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Trying to explain that to an obsessed Trumpkin is like strewing grass seed on a busy airport runway.
 
Hatuey said:
Beto's a wimp. He is the exact reason people won't vote for Democrats. They genuinely believe that in liberal land, you can live on failures. That's Beto's existence. Being a loser who has overcome nothing, yet still feels he should decided what all of us do. He is the epitome of liberal academista becoming a somebody by doing nothing of note other than complain about right wing politics.

We need someone who has actually gotten victories and is well regarded for their efforts by local conservatives. We aren't going to win with guys like Beto because nobody thinks guys like him deserve to be where they are.



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How many elections did O'Rourke win? How many did he lose?
 
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