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2 legal wins for Sandy Hook parents in battles against conspiracy theorists

joko104 said:
What about all the police who have been falsely accused of murder - and then the facts show it clearly self defense? Shouldn't they be able to sue the ass off any media outlet, newspaper and EVERYONE ELSE - including on this forum - who falsely claimed that the police officer murdered someone - telling a false narrative?
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Read a Law 101 book and educate yourself. Please. Quickly.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
You need to understand how liberals operate, they literally want you dead, in prison, or broke unless you agree with them. They are not wedded to any principle at all. They want vibrant democracy when it supports them, but if blacks and Latinos in California reject gay marriage or voters in WA reject car taxes the enlightened liberal judges are ready to step in and correct, so democracy and then rights when conservatives win is illegitimate but when they win it can’t be questioned. If a liberal publisher or abortion activist gets targeted by lawsuits they’ll be screaming like stuck pigs while they’re cheering this lawsuit
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You understand nothing, and everything you just wrote applies to far right people. See: gays, gay marriage, abortion, minorities, people on welfare, illegal immigrants, etc etc etc.
 
TrueScotsman said:
Society needs to intervene before the impulsivity of the disorders begin to take control, I think universe healthcare at least for children is a MUST, including mental health with regular screenings and education. These types of people can run convert, so I think we need rigorous care as well as education for the parents.
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You think government run health care is going to stop kids from shooting up schools?
 
jimbo said:
You think government run health care is going to stop kids from shooting up schools?
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I do not know if it will make such difference. Probably not! But it will probably make a difference in the number of mentally ill homeless suspects who are shot by cops when these suspects become aggressive or when they do not follow a cop's directions

Mental Illness and Policing: What is Mental Health Training and Why Do Police Need it?

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Last year alone, cops shot and killed 987 people; mental illness was involved with about 25% of those victims, according the Washington Post’s database of police shootings.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh look, the Franco fanboy is upset because another scumbag is in trouble for going after the families of murdered children.
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I am neither upset nor a “Franco fanboy” but thanks for playing
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Denting a historical event occurred does not constitute harassment or libel. At least it didn’t before the era of judicial activism. If anything Jones or this Publisher did were harassment or libel the article you cited didn’t do a good job of describing it.
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It's common knowledge that the parents of the children murdered at Sandy Hook have been harassed almost since the day it happened. Alex Jones used to say all the time that the parents were crisis actors and their kids didn't die. The title of the book was, "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook". Twenty-six died at Sandy Hook. Twenty of them, young children. The publisher of the book now believe Mr. Pozner and apologized fo

Several years ago a small publishing house called Moon Rock Books published a 455-page volume that argued the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre had never happened.

In a dozen chapters, the book professed, among other things, that the school in Newtown, Conn., had been abandoned years before a gunman killed 20 first graders and six staff members.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency, it claimed, had staged the event to promote gun control measures. And Leonard Pozner, the father of the youngest child to die that day, had faked his 6-year-old son’s death certificate in service of the conspiracy, it claimed.

On Monday, Mr. Pozner, who has made it his life’s work to stop those who would seek to deny the Dec. 14, 2012, school shooting, won a key challenge: A judge ruled for the first time that Mr. Pozner had been defamed by the publication of “Nobody Died At Sandy Hook: It was a FEMA Drill to Promote Gun Control.”
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The book’s publisher, Dave Gahary of Moon Rock Books, also agreed to stop selling the book as of June 30 in a separate settlement. He said that after meeting Mr. Pozner in May and hearing his story for himself, he now believes him.
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Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theorist Loses to Father of 6-Year-Old Victim Over Hoax - The New York Times

That's pretty clear defamation. Ironically, the publisher is now receiving hate mail from hoaxers for recanting.

Mr. Pozner was also the subject of harassment from a CT believer who went to jail for sending him death threats:
According to court records, Richards sent voicemail and email threats on or around Jan. 10, 2016, saying things such as “you gonna die, death is coming to you real soon” and “LOOK BEHIND YOU IT IS DEATH.”

Richards was motivated by the belief that the shooting never occurred and a story she saw online on a conspiracy theory website touting the unsubstantiated claim that the incident was a hoax, prosecutors said in court documents.
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Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theorist Gets Prison Time for Death Threats Against Parent

She was sentenced to five months behind bars plus three years of supervised release, during which she may not access a list of conspiracy theory websites, including Alex Jones' Infowars. On Wednesday, Judge James Cohn told her there are no "alternative facts," the Associated Press reported.

"You have the absolute right to think and believe as you so desire," Cohn told her. "You do not have the right to transmit threats to another."
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Florida Woman Gets Prison Sentence For Threatening Parent Of A Sandy Hook Victim

There's more:

How Alex Jones and Infowars Helped a Florida Man Torment Sandy Hook Families - The New York Times
"Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" publisher apologizes to dad of murdered boy - CBS News
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy...y_theories#Harassment_by_conspiracy_theorists

There are multiple descriptions of harassment in those stories and the efforts of nut jobs across the country to defame and harass Sandy Hook parents, is much more than "denting a historical event".
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Russiagate and the hoaxers have a lot in common, both are political speech and both are proveably false
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Correct me if I'm wrong. You are asserting that the Sandy Hook parents were crisis actors? You believe no one died at Sandy Hook and that the mass killing is provably false? And how is that political speech?

I don't know how else to take that comment. Is that truly what you mean?
 
Gina said:
Correct me if I'm wrong. You are asserting that the Sandy Hook parents were crisis actors? You believe no one died at Sandy Hook and that the mass killing is provably false? And how is that political speech?

I don't know how else to take that comment. Is that truly what you mean?
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No, I meant the idea that sandy hook was a hoax is proveably false just like the Russia collusion story and I think both are protected speech.

I don’t like the idea of using defamation laws to suppress people from discussing political and historical events, even if I think they’re nuts. Jones has promulgated all kinds of crap, that Justin Beiber was part of a globalist conspiracy to prevent children from
Learning about math and Portuguese explorer Ferninand Magellan (I kid you not) that 9/11 was an inside job, that the government was turning soldiers homosexual, I mean how many defamation claims do you think are in line?

Now if Jones called on his listeners to harass these families then I would agree with harassment suits, but I havent seen that claim made, certainly not in your source
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Here comes the end of the 1st amendment.
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I am as hard core a first amendment absolutist as I am on the second, but I don't see that here.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, I meant the idea that sandy hook was a hoax is proveably false just like the Russia collusion story and I think both are protected speech.

I don’t like the idea of using defamation laws to suppress people from discussing political and historical events, even if I think they’re nuts. Jones has promulgated all kinds of crap, that Justin Beiber was part of a globalist conspiracy to prevent children from
Learning about math and Portuguese explorer Ferninand Magellan (I kid you not) that 9/11 was an inside job, that the government was turning soldiers homosexual, I mean how many defamation claims do you think are in line?

Now if Jones called on his listeners to harass these families then I would agree with harassment suits, but I havent seen that claim made, certainly not in your source
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I do not see how one can equate the two cases.

Mueller's investigation did not "prove" that the collusion story is "false." It only showed that there is not enough evidence to seek a conviction beyond reasonable doubt. There is a reason why in criminal cases the verdict for a defender who is acquitted is "not guilty" instead of "innocent." There is a subtle distinction between proving innocence and not proving that one is guilty. Not to mention that the collusion story is way more complicated and with foreign actors which are not even within the reach of the US law. Comparing such case to the case of mass shooting which happened in open view inside the US and in the presence of multiple eye-witnesses does not make sense.

And something else: Libel laws protect private individuals way more than political public figures exactly because the idea is that libel should not be used as an obstacle of political speech (which is the only speech protected by the first amendment). So, conspiracy lunatics like Jones (and Trump) have much more freedom to make absurd claims about, say, Obama's birth certificate!
 
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Gina said:
Inhuman. Lacking any decency whatsoever.
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Yep, but there is no dealing with them no matter how many facts that you throw at them.
that is like these 9-11 kooks still out there.

I found a site that posted all of the calculations based on what they saw.
it would have taken 19k pounds of thermite put in special containers and strapped to
the building to do what they said.

I then logically asked how someone managed to sneak that much thermite into the building and not
of them could deal with the question.

same with the sandy hook thing. umm the kid is dead what do you mean it wasn't the kid?
they are scum.
 
joko104 said:
Interesting concept that anyone who states "false history" can be sued.

Candidly, I think it is a TERRIBLE concept nor do I understand how damages are to be calculated.
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You don't know all the details. These parents were harassed, endlessly. They were doxed, their cell phone numbers shared to further the harassment, accused of being government agents, etc.
 
joko104 said:
What about all the police who have been falsely accused of murder - and then the facts show it clearly self defense? Shouldn't they be able to sue the ass off any media outlet, newspaper and EVERYONE ELSE - including on this forum - who falsely claimed that the police officer murdered someone - telling a false narrative?
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Was their contact info disclosed so they could be harassed?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
You need to understand how liberals operate, they literally want you dead, in prison, or broke unless you agree with them. They are not wedded to any principle at all. They want vibrant democracy when it supports them, but if blacks and Latinos in California reject gay marriage or voters in WA reject car taxes the enlightened liberal judges are ready to step in and correct, so democracy and then rights when conservatives win is illegitimate but when they win it can’t be questioned. If a liberal publisher or abortion activist gets targeted by lawsuits they’ll be screaming like stuck pigs while they’re cheering this lawsuit
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Oh bull****. You paint with a wide hypocritical brush.
 
bongsaway said:
Oooo, does that mean the president is going to testify under oath to clear his name?
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Have you seen the video(s) of him in depositions? There is a reason Rudy didn't want him within a 1000ft of another under oath get together.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Have you seen the video(s) of him in depositions? There is a reason Rudy didn't want him within a 1000ft of another under oath get together.
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I think anyone with a brain knows trump will never agree to talk with anyone because he can't keep himself from lying. The right call it a perjury trap, others call it telling the truth.
 
Pond slime has more worth than Alex Jones and his supporters.

Imagine being the parent of a 6 year old Child who was shot to death in a small suburban elementary school in one of the most shocking mass shootings in US history.

Beyond heartbreaking.

On top of that, as if they have not already suffered enough, imagine trying to deal with such a terrible tragedy while confronting an extra burden. Accusations that your little one is not really dead, and the tragedy that has destroyed your lives was an elaborate hoax.

It takes a special kind of evil to fabricate such repulsive lies. It takes a special kind of evil to deliberately create and propagate false narratives about the Sandy Hook shooting and its victims, which also then resulted in victims families being harassed and abused.

Alex Jones is disgusting. His supporters are disgusting. Anyone who defends his actions is utter filth.
 
Gina said:
Win #1, congratulations Mr. Pozner:



Win #2
2 legal wins for Sandy Hook parents in battles against conspiracy theorists - ABC News

These hoaxers, many lead by Jones, are the scum of the earth. I'm so happy that the Sandy Hook parents are finally getting some measure of justice. Harassing the parents who did nothing to them and who are still suffering from the violent loss of their children at the hands of psycho, should cost them.
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It will be interesting to see if Pozner shows up for the actual trial. He missed the deposition, understandably, in a previous suit he brought.

Are Sandy Hook Dominoes Beginning To Fall? Civil Suit Against Investigator Wolfgang Halbig Dropped >> Sons of Liberty Media
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I am neither upset nor a “Franco fanboy” but thanks for playing
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Lol yeah, you just desperately defended him and the numerous atrocities his forces committed for ****s and giggles :roll:
 
Tigerace117 said:
Lol yeah, you just desperately defended him and the numerous atrocities his forces committed for ****s and giggles :roll:
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I said killing murderous communist thugs in the context of a civil war they started was justifiable.
 
beefheart said:
I can't wait to see that POS Alex Jones get nailed in each of the trials against him. These conspiracy theorists are just vile subhumans.
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Thoreau72 said:
It will be interesting to see if Pozner shows up for the actual trial. He missed the deposition, understandably, in a previous suit he brought.

Are Sandy Hook Dominoes Beginning To Fall? Civil Suit Against Investigator Wolfgang Halbig Dropped >> Sons of Liberty Media
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Your source story is from November of 2017. Apparently the Sandy Hook parents are not giving up. No dominoes are falling. From April of this year:
Sandy Hook conspiracy hoax: Lake County man's obsession thrusts him in national spotlight - Orlando Sentinel
A Lake County man who gained notoriety for his dark fixation on whether the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary actually happened — or was the result of a nefarious conspiracy — has been thrust into the national spotlight as he is named in several defamation lawsuits filed by the victims’ families.

According to a deposition and court records released last week from one of the lawsuits, right-wing radio host Alex Jones said he was fed conspiracy theories — including through more than 4,000 emails over several years — by Wolfgang Halbig of Sorrento that the killings in Newtown, Conn., may have been staged by the government as a way of bringing forth more gun-control laws.


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Leonard Pozner, whose son Noah, 6, died at Sandy Hook Elementary, filed a lawsuit against Halbig in Lake County in 2015 and succeeded in his request for an injunction against Halbig requiring him to remove Pozner’s address, phone number and email address from his website. Halbig’s website also asked visitors to contribute money to help him find the truth about the Sandy Hook shooting.
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As to this part of your linked story:
In a stunning move, father of Noah Pozner, and alleged Sandy Hook victim, has dropped his civil lawsuit against investigator and school security expert Wolfgang Halbig just as he was about to have to provide a video a deposition in the case.
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Do you believe Pozner's son is not dead? The book publisher in the OP, now believes Pozner is telling the truth, his son was murdered at Sand Hook:
“My face-to-face interactions with Mr. Pozner have led me to believe that Mr. Pozner is telling the truth about the death of his son,” Dave Gahary, the principal officer at publishing company, said. “I extend my most heartfelt and sincere apology to the Pozner family.”
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Sandy Hook victim's father wins defamation lawsuit | TheHill
 
I know the grandparents of Jessica Rekos, who is one of the little girls who died in the bathroom of her first grade classroom that horrible day. Jessica was very much real, and Jessica is very much dead.

It is almost impossible for me to muster up hate for people who I don't know at all, but if I could do it, I would hate all Sandy Hook hoaxers. The most evil, vile, sick people in the world, right up there with animal and child abusers.

I hope these bastards rot in Hell.
 
Gina said:
It's common knowledge that the parents of the children murdered at Sandy Hook have been harassed almost since the day it happened. Alex Jones used to say all the time that the parents were crisis actors and their kids didn't die. The title of the book was, "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook". Twenty-six died at Sandy Hook. Twenty of them, young children. The publisher of the book now believe Mr. Pozner and apologized fo



Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theorist Loses to Father of 6-Year-Old Victim Over Hoax - The New York Times

That's pretty clear defamation. Ironically, the publisher is now receiving hate mail from hoaxers for recanting.

Mr. Pozner was also the subject of harassment from a CT believer who went to jail for sending him death threats:

Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theorist Gets Prison Time for Death Threats Against Parent


Florida Woman Gets Prison Sentence For Threatening Parent Of A Sandy Hook Victim

There's more:

How Alex Jones and Infowars Helped a Florida Man Torment Sandy Hook Families - The New York Times
"Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" publisher apologizes to dad of murdered boy - CBS News
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy...y_theories#Harassment_by_conspiracy_theorists

There are multiple descriptions of harassment in those stories and the efforts of nut jobs across the country to defame and harass Sandy Hook parents, is much more than "denting a historical event".
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And it's actually much worse than anything you've cited.

Even as a free speech maven, I can't defend Pozner's defamers.

The Jones situation is more complex.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I said killing murderous communist thugs in the context of a civil war they started was justifiable.
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And I repeatedly showed that it was your beloved Nazi-humpers who rebeled against the legitimate government of Spain and committed mass atrocities against the people of Spain as an explicit government policy.

You responded by shrieking about how much you loved brutal thugs who wave the cross around as they commit their crimes
 
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