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Iran Revolutionary Guard shoots down US drone amid tensions

JustHanging said:
You mean with Trump unilaterally breaking a peace treaty everyone said was working?

Well yeah, where else would you put the blame? I realize things are often backwards in Trumpland, and I suppose this is another case, but in the real world, when one country unilaterally breaks a peace agreement, they're the ones held responsible for what follows.
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The Iran regime cannot be trusted, and today's provocation proved President Trump's point, but you go ahead and spam the thread with the usual Nazi/racist :bs.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
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You don't have the faintest clue about Iran's internal workings, do you?
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Since you said that he doesn't... I have to think that he actually does...
 
trixare4kids said:
It was clear to me that this is what he meant. Did you even bother to read your own source before you got your Trump dig in for the day?

From your source:
"It could have been somebody who was loose and stupid that did it," he said.

"I would imagine it was a general or somebody who made a mistake in shooting the drone down," Trump said. "Fortunately, that drone was unarmed. It was not -- there was no man in it, it was in international waters but we didn't have a man or woman in the drone, we had nobody in the drone. Would have made a big, big difference."

"I have a feeling -- and I may be wrong and I may be right but I'm right a lot -- that it was a mistake made by somebody that shouldn't have been doing what they do," he said. "I think they made a mistake and I'm not just talking about the country made a mistake somebody under the command of the country made a mistake."
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Maybe that three hundred pound guy in his mom's basement did it.
 
trixare4kids said:
The Iran regime cannot be trusted, and today's provocation proved President Trump's point, but you go ahead and spam the thread with the usual Nazi/racist :bs.
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Our regime can't be trusted either, sad to say.
 
What if...? said:
Maybe that three hundred pound guy in his mom's basement did it.
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Yeah, our president can't be bothered with an attack on his own land, he has to look for one elsewhere to provoke.
 
The Pentagon this morning gave the cheesiest presser I've ever seen in regards to a very touchy situation.

They used GoogleMaps to show the flight track of the drone in the Persian Gulf. wtf?

The entire flight mission of a US UAV of this type (RQ-4A Global Hawk [it's big] / ~$120 million) is saved to disc. It's precise location at all times is mapped via GPS.

In addition, assuming its transponder was not shut off, any decent commercial/military radar (let's say on Qutar) could also plot the track from beginning to end.

What this all means is that if the Pentagon is reluctant to release the flight data, this suggests that the transponder was turned off putting the drone in 'stealth mode'.

This is usually done during an illegal flyover (sovereign airspace). However, the RQ is equipped so that it really doesn't have to do this. 30,000+ feet with powerful sensors/cameras.

And the US military installations and Navy ships in the Gulf most certainly tracked the Iranian missile. The question remains. Why was the Pentagon presentation on the drone shoot down so meager and cheesy?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Since you said that he doesn't... I have to think that he actually does...
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Do you have anything actually sensible to add or are you just gonna try to sit on the sidelines and try to make snappy comments?
 
Erod said:
Just bomb the high holy hell out of these nuclear facilities, and be done with it.
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Thank god you hold no actual power in this world.
 
You don't have to go to war to counter what Iran has done but you can strike back hard enough that they will feel it.
 
trixare4kids said:
I'd have plenty to say if I thought your Trump hate made sense.

Carry on...
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See, you proved my point. All you have is "Trump is being persecuted." Go back over my posts, and point out where the word "Trump" appears.
 
Captain America said:
Nuke 'em.

I could care less if they were in Iranian airspace or not. I'm still pissed over the hostage situation decades ago.

Turn that place in to a glass parking lot for all I care.

But, I would HIGHLY advise those in power NOT to listen to me.

As a great American once said, "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." (To the tune of an old Beach Boy song. I loved the Beach Boys.)
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Get over it!

The fact that the US let Iraq use chemical weapons against Iran (including during the bombardment of Iranian cities) and at the same time did everything it could to delay the UN from condemning Iraq about such use should be enough of a revenge...
 
trixare4kids said:
The Iran regime cannot be trusted, and today's provocation proved President Trump's point, but you go ahead and spam the thread with the usual Nazi/racist :bs.
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Correct, the Iranian regime cannot be trusted. Now, tell us why they should trust us.
 
Erod said:
If done right, a regime change in Iran could make it one of our greatest allies.

The Persian people their hate their government and desperately want to "westernize". They detest being lumped in with the Arabs in the Middle East. Russia and China know this, so they support the evil Mullahs, who continue to hold that nation hostage.

Problem is, there's no good way to do that.

War is inevitable. It's just a matter of how much longer we put this off.
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I love it when Americans sitting in front of their computer talk about actions that produce hundreds of thousand of victims in foreign countries. The Iranian citizens may want to change their regime but the real question is if they are prepared to accept the cost of such change in blood (since regimes do not simply surrender their power without fight). The fact that you are prepared to "accept" such cost on behalf of them is lame.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Are you serious?

The Islamic Revolution was met with cheering crowds and jubilation. The Iran Hostage crisis was caused by supporters of the Revolution who thought the government wasn't going far enough in punishing the United States.
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Most revolutions are met with cheering crowds and jubilation at first. Later, things become more bleak...
And yes, the Iran Hostage crisis was caused by some supporters of the revolution who thought that the government was not going far enough in punishing the United States for its reluctance to extradite Shah (treated for a medical condition in the US at the time) to be tried for the crime he committed during his dictatorship (yes, before the Iranian Revolution's authoritarian regime, the Iranians had Shah's authoritarian regime).
Last time the US was refused the extradition of a person for the crimes he committed in the US, it occupied a whole country and not just an embassy...
 
Grand Mal said:
Regime change is the best-case scenario for Iran but not imposed from without. That works out badly every time- that's how the Shah got in place which led to the Ayatollahs.
There must be some sort of resistance there that could be encouraged.
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Even this scenario is risky. There was some resistance in Libya which was encouraged by the US bombings. It is difficult to see what the appropriate level and nature of resistance should be. But I accept that in principle, it makes sense for an outsider to try to help locals who show determination to accept the cost in blood for a regime change as opposed to stir "s***" when there is not an indication that locals are willing to risk their lives for a regime change.
 
rocket88 said:
See, you proved my point. All you have is "Trump is being persecuted." Go back over my posts, and point out where the word "Trump" appears.
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Actually, it is you who proved my point...

rocket88 said:
I'm going to say there's two sides to the story and we can't tell what the truth is yet.

The rest of your post is a strawman. If it's too libersl for you here, you're free to spend more tine on Hannity's personal forum. And the chosen ally niw is North Korea. Trump and Kim are BFFs.
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Oh btw, the word is emperor Donald, and not Enperor Donald.
rocket88 said:
That's all you're getting here? Sheesh, if there isn't a conspiracy against Enperor Donald, you have nothing to say do you?
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Dittohead not! said:
Correct, the Iranian regime cannot be trusted. Now, tell us why they should trust us.
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Why should I care if sponsors of terrorists and threateners of our allies in the region trust us? YOU tell me...

:coffeepap:
 
maxparrish said:
If Iran shot down the drone over internationally recognized Iranian territory then that is their right. If they shot it down over internationally recognized airspace then drones should be authorized to shoot or strike Iranian military and para-military vessels if targeted or engaged over that space.

As a first step, absent an apology from Iran, a strike sinking the monetary equivalent (plus 3x for punitive damages) ships or aircraft should be launched.

Reagan sank half their Navy. That, and more, can happen again with continued attacks.
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There are other scenarios too, such as someone doing short intrusions in and out of somebody's airspace. In such case, one may fire a missile at a plane which is within national airspace but by the time the missiles reaches the target, the latter may have withdrawn to international airspace. The common reaction for an intelligence gathering plane which detects a missile launch against it is to fly away from the threat.
 
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Just got in. Have the usual suspects blamed Israel for the drone attack. Calling it a false flag???
 
trixare4kids said:
Why should I care if sponsors of terrorists and threateners of our allies in the region trust us? YOU tell me...

:coffeepap:
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Threateners of our allies?

Saudi Arabia?

Of course they don't trust us, given the history of Iranian/US relations. Trump pulling out of the nuclear deal just confirmed that the US is a dangerous foe from their point of view, definitely not to be trusted.
 
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